The Ugly Face of Socialism

[MikeK]

Occupy Wall Street will get youth fired up about the election. True. they are disappointed at the gridlock, and finding it difficult to acknowledge that one leader, no matter how charismatic, can't win a tug of war with scores of recalcitrant tea guzzlers pulling on the other end...

Young people, there's a solution: vote for the inspiring leader, and make sure he/she gets enough support in Congress to implement at least the most important aspects of his program.

For someone who's arguing that we're not moving towards socialism, you aren't doing yourself any favors in the two paragraphs I quoted.

...not that charismatic cult-of-personality types are unique to socialism, but thanks to a handful of remarkable cases durring the 20th century, people are going to make that mental connection.

 

[Fantine]

Sadly, youth need to be inspired before they get involved politically.

When I was a teenager, my inspiration came from Eugene McCarthy and RFK.

Obama is an inspirational personality--certainly Clinton and Reagan were.

Our system of checks and balances are what protect us from dictatorship.

The bad part about inspirational leaders is that they inspire virulent hatred as well as love. Certainly President Obama does, with fringe elements insisting he was born in Africa, is a practicing Muslim, etc., etc., etc. Throwing all common sense to the winds, the fringe element votes against everything they believe could help the President's reelection--the payroll tax cut, for example.

 

[MikeK]

Sadly, youth need to be inspired before they get involved politically.

When I was a teenager, my inspiration came from Eugene McCarthy and RFK.

Obama is an inspirational personality--certainly Clinton and Reagan were.

Our system of checks and balances are what protect us from dictatorship.

The bad part about inspirational leaders is that they inspire virulent hatred as well as love. Certainly President Obama does, with fringe elements insisting he was born in Africa, is a practicing Muslim, etc., etc., etc. Throwing all common sense to the winds, the fringe element votes against everything they believe could help the President's reelection--the payroll tax cut, for example.

With that I agree entirely. I disagree with Obama on nearly every issue, but he is a likeable guy and I think, is trying to do a good job. The Republican strategy seems to be one of "don't let him do anything, and then complain that he didn't do anything". It's childish and unnecessarily divisive.

 

[AMDG]

President Obama does, with fringe elements insisting he was born in Africa, is a practicing Muslim, etc., etc., etc.

Why is that brought up? It's about Obama's *policies* (or lack thereof). Besides, nature abhors a vacuum and since Obama himself has sealed *all* his records (heard that it the first thing he did upon election) people are only left with his actions, inactions, and what he himself wrote about himself to guess to fill in the lack of biographical information. And as for fringe elements, I've heard that over half of voters in Iowa wonder about the birth story--*it needn't have anything to do with where Obama was reportedly born*, heard talk of a possible adoption by his step-father (according to Obama's half-sister), passport documents that went missing, and even a 1875 U.S. Supreme Court ruling (Minor v. Happersett) that was ignored. The mystery will probably be one of the great ones--like did Oswald act alone when he assisinated JFK, who killed Marilyn Monroe, and ...

You know, this isn't the first time that people have wanted to know the story of their president. Why act like it is?

 

[Antigone]

Why is that brought up? It's about Obama's *policies* (or lack thereof). Besides, nature abhors a vacuum and since Obama himself has sealed *all* his records (heard that it the first thing he did upon election) people are only left with his actions, inactions, and what he himself wrote about himself to guess to fill in the lack of biographical information. And as for fringe elements, I've heard that over half of voters in Iowa wonder about the birth story--*it needn't have anything to do with where Obama was reportedly born*, heard talk of a possible adoption by his step-father (according to Obama's half-sister), passport documents that went missing, and even a 1875 U.S. Supreme Court ruling (Minor v. Happersett) that was ignored. The mystery will probably be one of the great ones--like did Oswald act alone when he assisinated JFK, who killed Marilyn Monroe, and ...

You know, this isn't the first time that people have wanted to know the story of their president. Why act like it is?

Let me summarise this post for you:

It's about the issues, but since you brought it up HE WAS BORN IN KENYA AND HE'S TOTALLY A FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIM AND HE'S OUT TO RUIN AMERICA AND TAKE YOUR GUNS AND USE THEM TO SHOOT YOUR KIDS.

 

[BabyChristian22]

Let me summarise this post for you:

It's about the issues, but since you brought it up HE WAS BORN IN KENYA AND HE'S TOTALLY A FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIM AND HE'S OUT TO RUIN AMERICA AND TAKE YOUR GUNS AND USE THEM TO SHOOT YOUR KIDS.

I don't know why the first birth certificate that Obama provided to the public looked like a fake one and why he didn't provide one that at least looks real until three years later and only after one of his best friends took control of Hawaii as governor. Sounds fishy to me. But apparently since no one can criticize him in any way without being called a racist he can do whatever he wants with no limits, and people will let him get away with it.

 

[MikeK]

I don't know why the first birth certificate that Obama provided to the public looked like a fake one and why he didn't provide one that at least looks real until three years later and only after one of his best friends took control of Hawaii as governor. Sounds fishy to me. But apparently since no one can criticize him in any way without being called a racist he can do whatever he wants with no limits, and people will let him get away with it.

awesome.

 

[AMDG]

Let me summarise this post for you:

It's about the issues, but since you brought it up HE WAS BORN IN KENYA AND HE'S TOTALLY A FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIM AND HE'S OUT TO RUIN AMERICA AND TAKE YOUR GUNS AND USE THEM TO SHOOT YOUR KIDS.

Actually, you are wrong. It's not about Kenya or about how he acts to the Muslims (in fact, to even think that it is, is IMO silly), it's about how people are interested in their president and when information is constantly "stone walled" and refused, it must be gotten where it can. This post was merely about how it's not about any idea of his birth (and it shouldn't be brought up *all the time*).

BTW I've had to almost depend on articles from the Canada free press for information--things aren't exactly "transparent" in the U.S. (as was promised.)

 

[Defensor Fidei]

Why is that brought up? It's about Obama's *policies* (or lack thereof). Besides, nature abhors a vacuum and since Obama himself has sealed *all* his records (heard that it the first thing he did upon election) people are only left with his actions, inactions, and what he himself wrote about himself to guess to fill in the lack of biographical information. And as for fringe elements, I've heard that over half of voters in Iowa wonder about the birth story--*it needn't have anything to do with where Obama was reportedly born*, heard talk of a possible adoption by his step-father (according to Obama's half-sister), passport documents that went missing, and even a 1875 U.S. Supreme Court ruling (Minor v. Happersett) that was ignored. The mystery will probably be one of the great ones--like did Oswald act alone when he assisinated JFK, who killed Marilyn Monroe, and ...

You know, this isn't the first time that people have wanted to know the story of their president. Why act like it is?

Did you demand to see George W. Bush's birth certificate? How about Bill Clinton's? Ronald Reagan's?

 

[AMDG]

Did you demand to see George W. Bush's birth certificate? How about Bill Clinton's? Ronald Reagan's?

Oh come on! I don't need to see their birth certificates, but, yes, both Bushs, Clinton, Reagan, Ford, Carter, et. al. *all* had to show their birth certificates. Don't you know? It has to be documented that they were natural born citizens (not native born) *before* they could be put on the ballot. There was a clause used on their registration stating that they were Constitutionally eligible (don't think the Dems used it in 2008).

Honestly, it's not such an unusual thing to show a prospective candidate's birth certificate. There was even a question in the Congress whether McCain, born in Panama of two U.S. citizens, was a "natural born citizen". (Obama voted "yes".) And I recall a question about Goldwater way back when he ran against Johnson--it seems he was born in Arizona when Arizona was still a territory.

Of course back in the times when birth certificates weren't issued, I think we had a past president that still has questions surrounding his birth. Documents were burned, and some still seem to think that he was *really* born in Canada. At least I remember reading something about it.

 

[Defensor Fidei]

Oh come on! I don't need to see their birth certificates, but, yes, both Bushs, Clinton, Reagan, Ford, Carter, et. al. *all* had to show their birth certificates.

Because they are white?

Don't you know? It has to be documented that they were natural born citizens (not native born) *before* they could be put on the ballot. There was a clause used on their registration stating that they were Constitutionally eligible (don't think the Dems used it in 2008).

Oh? So then why did you people continue to demand to personally see Obama's birth certificate after the authorities had already deemed him eligible and put his name on the ballot?

 

[AMDG]

Because they are white?

No, because the Constitution has a clause in it that says that *only* a natural born citizen (different from a native born citizen) can be president. Normally, when a party nominates a candidate they send out documents to all 50 states saying that the person is constitutionally eligible. In 2008, the Dems did not include that statement in documents sent to 49 of the 50 states--they just said that he was nominated by the Democrat party. (Don't know why Pelosi failed to include the clause.)

As far as them being of the solely caucasion race, there were rumors of 5 or 6 past presidents not being solely caucasion. They were rumors based on certain things said in the campaigns--nothing was "open", all was hidden. As far as I know, Obama remains our first openly mulatto president.

Oh? So then why did you people continue to demand to personally see Obama's birth certificate ...?

Don't know. (And don't know who "you people" are since it mainly seems to be continually brought up by the Dems now, and I'm not Dem or Repub.) Maybe it's because Obama has spent millions of dollars hiding his and the one that was shown makes even the experts question. IMO it really has nothing to do with a birth certificate--that is merely a distraction. (Oh, maybe that's what is wanted. A distraction from failed policies or the lack thereof.)

 

[MikeK]

The ugly face of socialism in Sweden:

 

[Antigone]

The ugly face of socialism in Sweden:

And for the ladies:

 

[Rebekka]

Should I know these people?

 

[Antigone]

Should I know these people?

YES.

(Swedish royalty, dahling)

 

[BabyChristian22]

Sweden's government is a constitutional monarchy with a multi-party political system. The socialist party is only one of these political parties, and they were voted out of power in 2006.

 

[MikeK]

Sweden's government is a constitutional monarchy with a multi-party political system. The socialist party is only one of these political parties, and they were voted out of power in 2006.

Great job paraphrasing Wikipedia, bro

 

[Antigone]

Sweden's government is a constitutional monarchy with a multi-party political system. The socialist party is only one of these political parties, and they were voted out of power in 2006.

...making the largest party at the moment the Social Democrats, aka the Social Democratic Worker's Party. Quite the bastion of conservatism as you can tell.

You're not the only one who can use wikipedia to their advantage.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Sweden's government is a constitutional monarchy with a multi-party political system. The socialist party is only one of these political parties, and they were voted out of power in 2006.

However the country is still heavily involved in socialist programs. Universal health care, for example.