The Tribulation.

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Before you arbitrarily decide this is true, you should try to understand what's meant by this age and the age to come, and where the 1000 year reign falls.

And the quotes are in scripture. [emoji1]
Like how Jesus warned that before the coming that followers will be horribly persecuted, which exactly what we are seeing now, but this is not the coming Tribulation. if you look at revelation that the Tribulation happens before the thousand years. Quite frankly you have to ignore the order or revelation and the OT prophesies where we are told that the Messiah will reign on earth, something we don't see happening right now.
 
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How is it you can write a commentary on Revelation without seeing what Paul and Jesus said about the age to come?

But here's one.

29 Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel,
30 who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.
Mark 10:29-30
According to this text "age to come" is where you receive eternal life. This is Heaven.
1000 year period is this age, yet in the future.
 
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According to this text "age to come" is where you receive eternal life. This is Heaven.
1000 year period is this age, yet in the future.
Okay. Can you describe how you see the 1000 year period?
 
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Yes. Future literal event lasting for 1000 years.
Christ comes to Earth and reigns for that period together with the Saints.
Are the saints glorified?
 
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Like how Jesus warned that before the coming that followers will be horribly persecuted, which exactly what we are seeing now, but this is not the coming Tribulation. if you look at revelation that the Tribulation happens before the thousand years. Quite frankly you have to ignore the order or revelation and the OT prophesies where we are told that the Messiah will reign on earth, something we don't see happening right now.
Where are the goats in this alleged thousand year reign?
 
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Where are the goats in this alleged thousand year reign?
Everyone received the mark of the beast prior to the millenium. Some were forced to and some received the mark willingly.
The ones that received the mark and worshiped the beast or the image of the beast were destroyed at the 2nd Coming of Christ.
The ones who did not worship the beast or his image were not destroyed and entered the reign of Christ on the Earth, 1000 years.
 
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Yes. Future literal event lasting for 1000 years.
Christ comes to Earth and reigns for that period together with the Saints.

What happens after the 1000 years?

Thank you kindly.
 
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What happens after the 1000 years?

Thank you kindly.
Once the 1000 years are over, Christ and the Saints would leave the Earth, since they came here only for 1000 years.
Satan would be released after the 1000 years are over and deceive people who "followed" Christ when all was well. That deception is necessary in order to see if one's faith is for real. (Anyone is a "Christian" when all goes well :)).
Armies would be gathered to attack the people of God who would hide away in Jerusalem.
And right before they are attacked, fire would come down from Heaven and destroy the armies.
This would be the end of all the earthly events.

Thanks, :)
Ed
 
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Once the 1000 years are over, Christ and the Saints would leave the Earth, since they came here only for 1000 years.
Satan would be released after the 1000 years are over and deceive people who "followed" Christ when all was well. That deception is necessary in order to see if one's faith is for real. (Anyone is a "Christian" when all goes well :)).
Armies would be gathered to attack the people of God who would hide away in Jerusalem.
And right before they are attacked, fire would come down from Heaven and destroy the armies.
This would be the end of all the earthly events.

Thanks, :)
Ed

Thank you for your response. What is the point of the 1000 years and coming to earth, if they're going to leave again after 1000 years, and then Satan being released after that?

Thank you kindly.
 
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Everyone received the mark of the beast prior to the millenium. Some were forced to and some received the mark willingly.
The ones that received the mark and worshiped the beast or the image of the beast were destroyed at the 2nd Coming of Christ.
The ones who did not worship the beast or his image were not destroyed and entered the reign of Christ on the Earth, 1000 years.
And where are the goats again?
 
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Thank you for your response. What is the point of the 1000 years and coming to earth, if they're going to leave again after 1000 years, and then Satan being released after that?

Thank you kindly.
The purpose of the 2nd Coming is multifaceted.

A literal throne of David and taking a literal rule of the Earth from Satan had to be established.
Satan ruled the Earth and now Christ will rule the same Earth. And everyone would see the difference.

But the main reason is to save more people.
The generation of the people who would be ushered into the 1000 year reign need to be separated one from another. Goats and sheep.

There would be several such "separation" events in the Revelation.
I can name 3 such events.
1000 years is the final one.

Thanks, :)
Ed
 
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And where are the goats again?
After 1000 years are over Satan would be released to deceive the population.
The goats (armies of Gog and Magog) would reveal themselves.
Other goats from the past are dead and would be resurrected at the end of the Millenium, resurrection of the unrighteous.
 
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The purpose of the 2nd Coming is multifaceted.

A literal throne of David and taking a literal rule of the Earth from Satan had to be established.
Satan ruled the Earth and now Christ will rule the same Earth. And everyone would see the difference.

But the main reason is to save more people.
The generation of the people who would be ushered into the 1000 year reign need to be separated one from another. Goats and sheep.

There would be several such "separation" events in the Revelation.
I can name 3 such events.
1000 years is the final one.

Thanks, :)
Ed

Why wouldn't this all happen at the time of the 1000 years? Jesus comes to reign, but there is "unfinished" business, as if someone goofed and there needs to be a time to "make sure" there's a chance for those who are undecided to become saved?

My understanding is that when Jesus "comes" it is quite earth shaking and mountain moving and it will be a time when the door of grace has been shut (as was Noah's door of the ark when God Himself closed it). Just as in the time of grace when anyone who wanted to, could seek safety and solace on Noah's ark, will be the day when Jesus returns, and there will be no more door of grace open, for it will be shut.

When Jesus returns, He will be returning as Conqueror.

Thank you kindly.
 
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Why wouldn't this all happen at the time of the 1000 years? Jesus comes to reign, but there is "unfinished" business, as if someone goofed and there needs to be a time to "make sure" there's a chance for those who are undecided to become saved?
As long as new people get born salvation continues.
People would be born during Millenium and they would die. The lifespan however would be well over 100 years.

My understanding is that when Jesus "comes" it is quite earth shaking and mountain moving and it will be a time when the door of grace has been shut (as was Noah's door of the ark when God Himself closed it). Just as in the time of grace when anyone who wanted to, could seek safety and solace on Noah's ark, will be the day when Jesus returns, and there will be no more door of grace open, for it will be shut.

When Jesus returns, He will be returning as Conqueror.

Thank you kindly.
Salvation is a process and the grace of Christ continues all the way till the Great White Throne Judgment.

When Christ comes it would indeed be an Earth shattering event. But there would be more than few Earth shattering events prior to that.
If you look into the Rev 20, once the 1000 years are over and Satan is released there would be God's people as well as enemies.
Grace continues till the End.
The Noah's Ark is the New Jerusalem coming down from Heaven housing all the Believers while the Old Heaven and Earth are flying away and New earth and New Heavens are created.
Then the New Jerusalem "lands" on the New Earth and the Earth becomes the center of the Kingdom while we manage the Kingdom ... something like Yogi in the Yellowstone Park. :cheer::groupray:
 
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After 1000 years are over Satan would be released to deceive the population.
The goats (armies of Gog and Magog) would reveal themselves.
Other goats from the past are dead and would be resurrected at the end of the Millenium, resurrection of the unrighteous.
When the Son of Man returns, He separates the sheep from the goats. The sheep go to His kingdom. The goats go to the eternal fire. If they are in the eternal fire, how do they escape to reveal themselves?
 
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As long as new people get born salvation continues.
People would be born during Millenium and they would die. The lifespan however would be well over 100 years.


Salvation is a process and the grace of Christ continues all the way till the Great White Throne Judgment.

When Christ comes it would indeed be an Earth shattering event. But there would be more than few Earth shattering events prior to that.
If you look into the Rev 20, once the 1000 years are over and Satan is released there would be God's people as well as enemies.
Grace continues till the End.
The Noah's Ark is the New Jerusalem coming down from Heaven housing all the Believers while the Old Heaven and Earth are flying away and New earth and New Heavens are created.
Then the New Jerusalem "lands" on the New Earth and the Earth becomes the center of the Kingdom while we manage the Kingdom ... something like Yogi in the Yellowstone Park. :cheer::groupray:

Why would Jesus come down and "reign" over a corrupt earth? And Satan...is he bound now?

Thank you kindly.
 
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When the Son of Man returns, He separates the sheep from the goats. The sheep go to His kingdom. The goats go to the eternal fire. If they are in the eternal fire, how do they escape to reveal themselves?
Of course.
Since the resurrection of the unrighteous dead is after the 1000 years and Christ comes before it, there is still time before the Judgment.
The goats needs to be judged first. And before they get judged they needs to appear in from of the Great White Throne.
The sheep go to Heaven and the goats go to the Judgment first and then whose ever name is not in the Book of Life goes to the Burning Lake.
 
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Of course.
Since the resurrection of the unrighteous dead is after the 1000 years and Christ comes before it, there is still time before the Judgment.
The goats needs to be judged first. And before they get judged they needs to appear in from of the Great White Throne.
The sheep go to Heaven and the goats go to the Judgment first and then whose ever name is not in the Book of Life goes to the Burning Lake.
The goats are judged. Right when he returns. So you have to twist what He says to make it fit.
 
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