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The REAL shame of creationism: its fradulent spokemen

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Washington, Dec 26, 2007.

  1. Nathan Poe

    Nathan Poe New Member

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    No, because AV doesn't understand it.
     
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    I don't have a problem with creationists saying things that are, effectively, philosophies, or putting forward untestable hypothesise that are not based on any empirical evidence. No problem at all.

    The problem I have is when they do precisely this, and then CLAIM that it IS science, and further more, science that is superior to the empirical observation type science that gives us pharmaceuticals and nuclear power and agrarian revolutions and so on.
     
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    Tonks No longer here Supporter

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    That was my point EPII...you just articulated it somewhat better.
     
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    well always nice to know someone agrees with me... because my forehead has a nasty callous from constant bashing against the creationist wall
     
  5. Baggins

    Baggins Senior Veteran

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    AV the earth is warming, that is unvarnished truth however much you don't want to believe it.

    You don't hold science to a higher standard than anyone, you don't use science you scarcely understand what it is and how it works.

    What you do hold to is a belief that your own personal interpretation of the bible is more correct than reality, that is just sad.
     
  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET Galatians 3:26 Supporter

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    Who gave you that reality that you use to claim He doesn't exist, Baggins?
     
  7. Elduran

    Elduran Disruptive influence

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    His parents. Has no-one told you where people come from yet?
     
  8. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET Galatians 3:26 Supporter

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    :scratch: Huh???
     
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    Global warming is rubbish is it? Why would anyone expect you to believe established blatantly obvious fact? I mean you *are* a creationist.
     
  10. InTheCloud

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    Of course one could arge that global warming is a fact but their manmade origing are not, but that would be a thread highjacking and I do not like to play that games.
     
  11. Naraoia

    Naraoia Apprentice Biologist

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    If God gave us reality then perhaps you ought to respect it just a wee bit more :p
     
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    Baggins Senior Veteran

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    No one, that is my personal belief.

    Just as your belief that god does exist and created reality is your personal belief.

    My belief conforms to reality rather better than yours though because you believe that a book written by Bronze age nomads trumps your senses, and I believe that my senses and the findings of modern science trump the musings of bronze age goat herders.
     
  13. TemperateSeaIsland

    TemperateSeaIsland Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi

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    To be perfectly honest the bible was written by priests. If it had been written by goat herders it probably would have been more accurate as they probably knew that grasshoppers/locusts had more than 4 legs and rabbits didn't chew the cud. The priests were to busy chowing down on the burnt offerings to know much about the natural world.
     
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    These "Bronze age nomads and goat herders" as you call them were the world's elite intellectuals. It is said that within a short period of the Babylonian Captivity, they were teaching Babylonian history and customs to the Babylonians in their Babylonian universities.
    Their military stratagems were second to none. By making their farm tools out of brass, instead of bronze, they could switch these instruments into military armament at a moment's notice; and although they weren't as fast as our Minutemen, it's because our Minutemen were able to keep their armament apart from their farm implements. Thus, while appearing to be a pastoral, sheepish nation, and seemingly having "Invade Me" written on every city's signpost, they were the world's true shock-and-awe artists --- and still are.

    ! JERUSALEM !
     
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    AV1611VET Galatians 3:26 Supporter

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    To be perfectly honest, the Bible was written by God. It is "scientists" today who don't know about four-legged locusts and hares that chewed their cud; not to mention satyrs, unicorns, behemoths, leviathans, and fowled bats.

    What does Gracchus call that? Projection?

    You guys don't know it, so you think they didn't know it, either.
     
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    Not to burst your bubble, but I will contend that YOU don't know about cud chewing hares, 4-legged insects, unicorns, leviathans or behemoths either. YOU have just READ about them in a book that looks, for all intents and purposes like ANY OTHER myth book in the history of humanity.

    The only difference is, YOU have started to believe that this myth book above all others is REAL because someone told you it was.

    That is a subtle difference, and since subtlety and introspective analysis is something you aren't into, it looks TO YOU like some deep thinking and intense philosophical truth.

    Appareances are everything in this game. That's why you like the appearance of flexible words like "embedded history" and "digital first editions of 17th century books".

    You have to understand that words and concepts have technical meanings before you can ever move onto an adult appreciation of thought and philosophy.

    Fundamentalism thrives only where thought is extinguished.
     
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    No, you just sanctify Ignorance. That may be your true idol of worship. Fundamentalists appear to worship willful ignorance. Otherwise you wouldn't have to tap dance so hard around "embedded history" to make your myths align with physical reality.

    Maybe Fundamentalists should take holy "Ignorance" down from the altar of their worship and replace it with honest investigation and questions.

    But that would require a lot more work and we all know how intellectually lazy Fundamentalists can be.
     
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    Then why didn't they develop modern medicine and semiconductor technology?
     
  19. Baggins

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    Mains of Usan, Tayside :thumbsup:
     
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    ! Llanddeusant !

    In Wales!!!!!

    If their military strategems were second to none what were they doing in captivity Babylon anyway?

    Seems to me they were a second rate bunch of goat herders that most other nations in the middle East have used as slaves at one period or another
     
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