The only question regarding Matthew 24:15

Straightshot

Member
Feb 13, 2015
4,742
295
56
✟16,234.00
Faith
Christian
Well you should know doug that I don't like to be told how to answer a question .... just kidding

But the answer is yes and I must say more

The little horn will be involved with this thing on the temple mount and seen at the middle of the tribulation

And the Lord will deal with the little horn's folly at Armageddon 1260 days later

Then 30 days later the Lord will appear to the surviving mortals earth dwellers, gather them all, and separate them into sheep and goats
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

rollinTHUNDER

Veteran
Dec 30, 2001
1,936
13
Central Florida USA
Visit site
✟22,549.00
Country
United States
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
The only question regarding Matthew 24:15 is....

Is the Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24:15 associated with the time of Jesus's return in the clouds of heaven in great Power and Glory...Yes? or No?

No, the abomination of desolation will ignite the great tribulation. Matt. 24:29-31 says immediately after the tribulation of those days will appear the (sign) of the Son of man (rapture), when He comes in the clouds. From there He sends His angels to gather His elect, which will be the beginning of the judgment of the house of God (1 Pet. 4:17-18).

Then He will return to the earth (second coming) to judge the nations in Matt. 25:31 to determine who will enter as mortals into His millennial kingdom.

Matt. 24:31=rapture
Matt. 25:31=second coming



Cheers
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,778
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,670.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
No, the abomination of desolation will ignite the great tribulation. Matt. 24:29-31 says immediately after the tribulation of those days will appear the (sign) of the Son of man (rapture), when He comes in the clouds. From there He sends His angels to gather His elect, which will be the beginning of the judgment of the house of God (1 Pet. 4:17-18).

Then He will return to the earth (second coming) to judge the nations in Matt. 25:31 to determine who will enter as mortals into His millennial kingdom.

Matt. 24:31=rapture
Matt. 25:31=second coming



Cheers
The answer is yes. The question is intended to rebutt all the posts regarding Luke 21, that the abomination of desolation took place back at the time of the destruction of the temple and city.

The question was regarding the time of Jesus's return - which is the end time. It is regarding that time.

You are reading the question wrong, the question is not regarding the specific day of Jesus descending in the clouds of heaven in great power and glory..
 
Upvote 0

Straightshot

Member
Feb 13, 2015
4,742
295
56
✟16,234.00
Faith
Christian
Doug is correct

The Lord's next intervention related to the time of the end will be to bring judgment upon the earth including Israel .... He will personally execute the judgments recorded in Revelation's unfolding .... this will take a specified amount of time lapse and He will not be visible to the earth dwellers during the period

His visible appearance will take place at the ending of the days of the tribulation

His initial intervention and His appearing are not the same
 
Upvote 0

rollinTHUNDER

Veteran
Dec 30, 2001
1,936
13
Central Florida USA
Visit site
✟22,549.00
Country
United States
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
The answer is yes. The question is intended to rebutt all the posts regarding Luke 21, that the abomination of desolation took place back at the time of the destruction of the temple and city.

The question was regarding the time of Jesus's return - which is the end time. It is regarding that time.

You are reading the question wrong, the question is not regarding the specific day of Jesus descending in the clouds of heaven in great power and glory..

Nothing like making the rules as you go along. You should have clearly stated your intent in the question.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Matthew Twentyfour

Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
Jan 19, 2015
560
96
✟8,141.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
The answer is no. The AoD is the midpoint of the tribulation. Christ's return to earth with power and great glory is to fight in the battle of Armageddon near the end of the tribulation.

Christ said to flee from Judea to the mountains during the AoD, (Matt 24:16). Many will leave Israel at this time. After Christ's return near the end, He'll gather His elects that had been scattered during the AoD, (Matt 24:30-31).
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Straightshot

Member
Feb 13, 2015
4,742
295
56
✟16,234.00
Faith
Christian
The little horn will have many ships as shown in Daniel 11.
Will Gog have ships?

He will ....gog is Satan in Ezekiel 38 and his beast in the little horn will have ships [Daniel 11:40]

This one will also attack the king of the south [Egypt] and this is why Egypt does not appear in Ezekiel 38 as one of gog's allies .... Egypt's political leader will already have fallen to the little horn [this offset is already setting up as we speak]

The little horn's confederated Middle Eastern allies will have ships at his command .... they have them today .... like Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Syria, and Lebanon
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

BABerean2

Newbie
Site Supporter
May 21, 2014
20,614
7,484
North Carolina
✟893,665.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
A parallel study of the three Gospel accounts reveals the Abomination of Desolation.


During the time of Christ, the Jews celebrated Hanukka
. He was well aware of the first occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple, when Antiochus Epiphanes set up a statue of Zeus (He had previously claimed he was Zeus) in the temple and had a pig slaughtered on the altar, during 167 BC.

Hanukkah celebrates the cleansing and rededication of the temple which occurred three years after the abomination of desolation by Antiochus in 167 BC.

Therefore, Christ was predicting a second occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the Olivet Discourse.

Several events could be a possible desecration of the temple during 70 AD. The Roman standards were posted at the temple site. Sacrifices were made to Titus at the temple site. Also, the behavior of the zealots within the temple itself during the siege is regarded by many as a desecration of the temple.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke’s account above clearly states that the desolation would be near the time that Jerusalem was surrounded by armies.

We know the early Christians did flee from Jerusalem before the final siege.

While He was being taken to the Cross, Jesus warned the women who were weeping for him about what was to come. During this warning He makes a reference similar to that found in Matthew 24:19, about nursing mothers. This warning is also specifically made to these women and their children.

During the siege of 70 AD some women ate their own children, due to the lack of food during the siege.

Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Almost all scholars agree that the following verse is a specific reference to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Notrash
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,778
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,670.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Therefore, Christ was predicting a second occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the Olivet Discourse.

This true, but it was not fulfilled in 70 AD because the Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24:15 is associated with the end times and Jesus's Return. And also in Daniel 12, the end times.
 
Upvote 0

Straightshot

Member
Feb 13, 2015
4,742
295
56
✟16,234.00
Faith
Christian
"We know the early Christians did flee from Jerusalem before the final siege."


Not like this [Zechariah 14:4-5], or this [Revelation 12:6; 12:14] .... this fleeing is still future for Israel and not a part of 70 AD

And you do not really know about a fleeing in 70 AD .... there is no scriptural account
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,778
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,670.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
"We know the early Christians did flee from Jerusalem before the final siege."


Not like this [Zechariah 14:4-5], or this [Revelation 12:6; 12:14] .... this fleeing is still future for Israel and not a part of 70 AD

And you do not really know about a fleeing in 70 AD .... there is no scriptural account
Well there is historical record of the events of 70 ad. which came after the gospels became widespread. The warning in Luke 21 back then was future of the destruction of the temple and city in 70 AD. There probably were many Christians who left out of the city because they knew about the warning.

I think what you mean to say is that there is future fleeing to the mountains to come, not that the events of Luke 21 regarding the destruction of the city and temple have not been fulfilled. The future fleeing has to do with the abomination of desolation being setup in the end times.
 
Upvote 0

Matthew Twentyfour

Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
Jan 19, 2015
560
96
✟8,141.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
I don't think there's any documentation of anyone on earth ever seeing Christ returned on the clouds during 70 AD either. Matthew 24:30 said all the tribes on the earth will see Him coming. Unless someone has documented evidence of this event having already occurred, the Olivet Discourse is clearly about the future. Matthew 24:30 is literal, not a spiritual event, as was the destruction of the temple in 70 AD was literal.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
Upvote 0

Straightshot

Member
Feb 13, 2015
4,742
295
56
✟16,234.00
Faith
Christian
"I don't think there's any documentation of anyone on earth ever seeing Christ returned on the clouds during 70 AD either. Matthew 24:30 said all the tribes on the earth will see Him coming. Unless someone has documented evidence of this event having already occurred, the Olivet Discourse is clearly about the future."


You are correct

A preterist will tell you that the unregenerate unbelieving Josephus the Jewish historian and reporter says so .... but this story he made up and it has no scriptural basis at all ... plus there are many other scriptures that nullify the entire rant
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums