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The next generation of Republican candidates (2016)

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by kelkel, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. JoyJuice

    JoyJuice Senior Veteran

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    missed the "h" key, corrected.

    You didn't disagree I see. :)
     
  2. JoyJuice

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    Not to sure who Obama murdered?
     
  3. JoyJuice

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  4. How about the constant drone attacks in Pakistan, that continues to kill civilians that are not part of the war in Afghanistan? How about the continued support of Israel, who recently killed children in a shelling and not one peep from the United States or UN on the issue? Do I need to continue?

    Palestinians killed as Israel shells Gaza - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/abdulrahman-al-awlaki-death-10470891
     
  5. JoyJuice

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    The death of civilians is tragic and obviously not intented, but is that murder? That is the one of the points of using drones rather than bombs. Murder, and per the link I gave you, has a legal definition. Is that murder?
     
  6. Yes it is murder. Try as you may to be an Obama apologist, but he has authorized the killing of more people than even Bush did in 8 years. President Obama even has a kill list of Americans suspected of being terrorists or those who are anti-government. He's sought out people and killed them in countries where we are not even at war with, nor have permission to enter to conduct such operations.
     
  7. JoyJuice

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    Yes, I do agree. He is a doing a better job of whacking Al Qaeda, good for him. And if your claim is he has killed more terrorists then Bush, you are correct. Again, good for him.
     
  8. So assasinating a 16 yr old who is only suspected of being a terrorist is doing a good job? Way to support the murder of citizens who have not been given a fair trial.
     
  9. JoyJuice

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    Don't think that was intentional nor he the target
    "Yemeni officials said the dead from the strike included Ibrahim al-Banna, the Egyptian media chief for al-Qaeda’s Yemeni affiliate, and also a brother of Fahd al-Quso, a senior al-Qaeda operative who was indicted in New York in the 2000 attack on the USS Cole in the port of Aden"
    I would probably wager the target listed above....hence, the USS Cole guy.
     
  10. TerranceL

    TerranceL Sarcasm is kind of an art isn't it?

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    Obama was re-elected on image not substance.

    He might be able to pull it off. It would be hard for democrats to go after him over that after defending Bill Clinton.
     
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    TerranceL Sarcasm is kind of an art isn't it?

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    Yes. That is murder.

    A contract killing to be exact.

    Contract killing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The president has a kill list. There is no oversight for this list. Tell me that doesn't bother you.
     
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    TerranceL Sarcasm is kind of an art isn't it?

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    Robert Gibbs Says Anwar al-Awlaki's Son, Killed By Drone Strike, Needs 'Far More Responsible Father'

     
  13. jgarden

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    Having "alot of young, talented Republicans lining up as candidates for 2016" doesn't mean "squat" if the conservative tail (Tea Party) is still wagging the rest of the GOP.

    Women, Hispanics and young adults will constitute an even larger % of the American electorate in 2016, so unless the Republicans are committed to making a dramatic turn toward the center of the economic and social political spectrum, they're "toast!"
     
  14. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) CF Ambassador

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    Thankfully, change can occur and many conservatives - both before and after - have noted that...although sadly, many still act idiotic enough to actually ignore where many things supported by conservatives are also advocated by those who are liberal (thus meaning compromise/working together being possible instead of avoiding things due to labels) and others tend to deem any/all other conservatives disagreeing with those in the Tea Party ideology as being "liberal" (dumb stance) and not even knowing what the terms mean.

    I do wish others would've paid more attention to the Fiscal Conservatives who were long advocating for others in the Republican party to do better in choosing real options/cannidates rather than throwing anyone out there and thinking all would be cool with it - and the that so many defend it by blaming the people or the media for why they lost instead of owning up to the fact that they were horrible on representation of the issues people wanted addressed is a pity.
     
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    If you want the party to be thought better of in this respect it has to be more pro-active in not putting people who think like this in positions to be senators.

    That has something to do with the radicalization of the primary process that we can definitely lay at the feet of people claiming the mantel of the Tea Party.

    Unless you think ousting Richard Lugar was done by someone else and that Akin wasn't endorsed by both Mike Huckabee and Michelle Bachman.

    I think the Democrats would be horrified if a senatorial candidate made a statement about a fetus being a parasite.
     
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    But if those targeted are of a group who have declared war on the targetees, what then? I do believe Al Qaida has both declared and have conducted activities of war on the US, with the US recipicating. We are no longer allowed to target participants of war?
     
  17. TerranceL

    TerranceL Sarcasm is kind of an art isn't it?

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    Given there is no oversight of Obama's kill list we have to just take his word on who is on it.

    I wasn't aware that democrats supported a leader who is able to give the thumb up or down and can end someones life with no oversight. I thought we had moved beyond that.
     
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    That's the thing about Dems, they aren't lock step so much akin to the other party. They are like herding cats. I for one dont lose too much sleep over whom it was targeted.
     
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    It bothers me, enough to change my vote. In fact, had Romney stepped up and said he would end the policy, I might have voted for him despite disagreeing with him on just about everything else. I had to vote 3rd party, because only the Green and Libertarian candidates ran on an anti-war platform.