The Narnian position

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

ChristP, could you please stop posting and do some study of some basics. The full preterist position is not that Christ was enthroned as Acts says, right after suffering. The "FP" position is that the 2nd coming has already taken place in or around events of 70 AD. Meaning, the 2nd coming itself, quite apart from Jesus remarks addressing a national revolt all through Luke etc. Meaning, not everything in Luke about Galilean revolts is about the 2nd coming of Christ!

There are many, many categories to consider, and you don't know many of them. Your familiarity with basic terms of theology is just not where it should be to make proper distinctions, Heb 5:14.

Besides distinguishing the 2nd coming and the events of the DofJ, there is also the transfiguration. Things are said to happen there that have great impact, but are neither the DofJ nor the 2nd coming. Get off of photoshop, and get some work done in Packer, Waltke, Stroebel, Lane, etc.

I hope you've realized from my recommendation to read Hengel's answer to the PLO about Jesus as a revolutionist that historicaly inquiry has much more depth to it than chasing objects across the sky. It really does matter whether people can or cannot build a case for or against Jesus' support or condemnation of Judaistic-inspired revolt in his times. Much more than why the taking of Jerusalem was rescinded. Because we are talking Jesus here, not the IDF.

You are not satan, but only satan would recommend me to go outside of Gods word for discernment.

What, you think there arent people being paid to post garbage online to attempt to confuse Christians?

To remove the Promise of Tribulation and judgement?


Ol beezy is getting desperate, lol..

 

[riverrat]

Rat: "Acts was right after all" means Acts is saying the enthronement of Christ began upon the bursting forth from the worms of death. "God raised him up" (Acts 13's sermon) because our justification from sins had been accomplished. There is no gap in Acts 2, 3, 13 between the moment of suffering and the moment of glorification immediately after.

 

[riverrat]

Which means you are a partial preterist.

Congratulations! Welcome aboard

 

[Interplanner]

Rat, So you've never absorbed Heb 1-2? Yes, at present we do not see everything subject to him, but he earned it, deserves it, and is honored in heaven for it (Rev 5).

Or more specifically about Acts 2: "God has raised this Jesus...and exalted to the right hand of God, he has recieved...the promised Holy Spirit and poured out what you see... God has made (him) Lord and Christ." The Spirit's arrival is proof of the enthronement of Christ. Besides the ability for the message to rapidly disperse to the mainstreets of the world, the Spirit caused widespread repentance.

Is there something in the water there that keeps you from seeing this?

 

[Biblewriter]

ChristP, could you please stop posting and do some study of some basics. The full preterist position is not that Christ was enthroned as Acts says, right after suffering. The "FP" position is that the 2nd coming has already taken place in or around events of 70 AD. Meaning, the 2nd coming itself, quite apart from Jesus remarks addressing a national revolt all through Luke etc. Meaning, not everything in Luke about Galilean revolts is about the 2nd coming of Christ!

There are many, many categories to consider, and you don't know many of them. Your familiarity with basic terms of theology is just not where it should be to make proper distinctions, Heb 5:14.

Besides distinguishing the 2nd coming and the events of the DofJ, there is also the transfiguration. Things are said to happen there that have great impact, but are neither the DofJ nor the 2nd coming. Get off of photoshop, and get some work done in Packer, Waltke, Stroebel, Lane, etc.

I hope you've realized from my recommendation to read Hengel's answer to the PLO about Jesus as a revolutionist that historicaly inquiry has much more depth to it than chasing objects across the sky. It really does matter whether people can or cannot build a case for or against Jesus' support or condemnation of Judaistic-inspired revolt in his times. Much more than why the taking of Jerusalem was rescinded. Because we are talking Jesus here, not the IDF.

I am getting really tired of your arrogant statements that those that simply believe the scriptures should "shut up" or "stop posting."

You are the one that should stop posting and get on your knees.

And ChristP, as he calls you, I agree you should study, but not the false teachers he is advocating.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

You are the one that should stop posting and get on your knees, instead of wresting scripture and history as you systematically do.

And ChristP, as he calls you, I agree you should study, but not the garbage he is selling.

Im doing my best bro, I just started reading the Bible 8 months ago man..


I had only read Daniel and Revelation when I was in Boot camp (2003) because I was bored, but it made no sense to me..

At least it didnt until earlier this year..



Please, I dont have a mentor, if you have advice, Im all ears, Ive seen everything youve posted and you are perfectly in agreement with what the Bible says, and what Ive discerned.


Like I said, I dont have a mentor, I am an autodidact of sorts..

Just correct me and give me advice where needed, Im still growing into my new skin, but my objective in following Christ is a passion Ive never known..

 

[Biblewriter]

Im doing my best bro, I just started reading the Bible 8 months ago man..


I had only read Daniel and Revelation when I was in Boot camp (2003) because I was bored, but it made no sense to me..

At least it didnt until earlier this year..



Please, I dont have a mentor, if you have advice, Im all ears, Ive seen everything youve posted and you are perfectly in agreement with what the Bible says, and what Ive discerned.


Like I said, I dont have a mentor, I am an autodidact of sorts..

Just correct me and give me advice where needed, Im still growing into my new skin, but my objective in following Christ is a passion Ive never known..

Here is a little help to get you along the road. The OP in each of these threads was written by me. you will notice that some of them are about what Christian writers have said, but most of them are pure scripture.

Mutually exclusive prophecies about the Lord’s future coming
http://www.christianforums.com/t7636041-18/
A Scriptural Precedent http://www.christianforums.com/t7610681-9/
The Margaret MacDonald Lie http://www.christianforums.com/t7276651-20/
What the early church actually taught http://www.christianforums.com/t7542790-21/
Dispensationalism in Ancient Christian Writings
http://www.christianforums.com/t7703208-3/

The End Time King of Judah http://www.christianforums.com/t7585242-5/
What Happens When Messiah Comes http://www.christianforums.com/t7324109-5/
The Assyrian http://www.christianforums.com/t1820351-10/
Who will be in the land during Daniel’s seventieth week? http://www.christianforums.com/t6429517-19/
The neglected character in end time prophecy http://www.christianforums.com/t6571768-4/
The timing of Ezekiel 38 and 39 http://www.christianforums.com/t7327255-9/
The Restoration of Israel, as Described in the Holy Scriptures http://www.christianforums.com/t7737854-6/
A different view of the seals http://www.christianforums.com/t7338782-4/
The most common error among premillennialists http://www.christianforums.com/t7340104/
End times confusion http://www.christianforums.com/t7560096-15/
British Israelism http://www.christianforums.com/t7274297-9/
Let’s stop interpreting for a while http://www.christianforums.com/t5327122-8/
Backwards Approach http://www.christianforums.com/t7463900-7/
Understanding Bible prophecy http://www.christianforums.com/t1622344-19/
Understanding Bible Prophecy II http://www.christianforums.com/t1650957-2/
Understanding Bible prophecy III http://www.christianforums.com/t1863507/
Maps drawn by Biblewriter http://www.christianforums.com/t6934023-2/

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Here is a little help to get you along the road:
Mutually exclusive prophecies about the Lord’s future coming
http://www.christianforums.com/t7636041-18/
A Scriptural Precedent http://www.christianforums.com/t7610681-9/
The Margaret MacDonald Lie http://www.christianforums.com/t7276651-20/
What the early church actually taught http://www.christianforums.com/t7542790-21/
Dispensationalism in Ancient Christian Writings
http://www.christianforums.com/t7703208-3/

The End Time King of Judah http://www.christianforums.com/t7585242-5/
What Happens When Messiah Comes http://www.christianforums.com/t7324109-5/
The Assyrian http://www.christianforums.com/t1820351-10/
Who will be in the land during Daniel’s seventieth week? http://www.christianforums.com/t6429517-19/
The neglected character in end time prophecy http://www.christianforums.com/t6571768-4/
The timing of Ezekiel 38 and 39 http://www.christianforums.com/t7327255-9/
The Restoration of Israel, as Described in the Holy Scriptures http://www.christianforums.com/t7737854-6/
A different view of the seals http://www.christianforums.com/t7338782-4/
The most common error among premillennialists http://www.christianforums.com/t7340104/
End times confusion http://www.christianforums.com/t7560096-15/
British Israelism http://www.christianforums.com/t7274297-9/
Let’s stop interpreting for a while http://www.christianforums.com/t5327122-8/
Backwards Approach http://www.christianforums.com/t7463900-7/
Understanding Bible prophecy http://www.christianforums.com/t1622344-19/
Understanding Bible Prophecy II http://www.christianforums.com/t1650957-2/
Understanding Bible prophecy III http://www.christianforums.com/t1863507/
Maps drawn by Biblewriter http://www.christianforums.com/t6934023-2/

Nice... Thanks brotha!

Bookmarking those!

 

[Gnarwhal]

Yes, because mythological stories outside the Bible dont "always" disagree with scripture..

I'm sorry, who are you exactly?

I'm going to venture a guess and say you're unfamiliar with C.S. Lewis and the richness of the theology he developed. His fiction drew from those very heavily, the man was one of the greatest in the 20th century, he had a grasp of God's truth better than most - especially compared to the schmucks that may be recommended here in eschatology.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

I'm sorry, who are you exactly?

I'm going to venture a guess and say you're unfamiliar with C.S. Lewis and the richness of the theology he developed. His fiction drew from those very heavily, the man was one of the greatest in the 20th century, he had a grasp of God's truth better than most - especially compared to the schmucks that may be recommended here in eschatology.

Im nobody.. Just a Bible believing Christian mang.. None of the glitz and glamor..

God Bless

 

[L0U]

Here's a classic quote from C.S.Lewis:

A Horse and His Boy
Ch. 6 : Shasta Among the Tombs
"My good Horse," said the Hermit ... "My good Horse, you've lost nothing but your self-conceit. No, no, cousin. Don't put back your ears and shake your mane at me. If you are really so humbled as you sounded a minute ago, you must learn to listen to sense. You're not quite the great Horse you had come to think, from living among poor dumb horses. Of course you were braver and cleverer than them. You could hardly help being that. It doesn't follow that you'll be anyone very special in Narnia. But as long as you know you're nobody special, you'll be a very decent sort of Horse, on the whole, and taking one thing with another."

A good lesson in humility..........

 

[riverrat]

Rat, So you've never absorbed Heb 1-2? Yes, at present we do not see everything subject to him, but he earned it, deserves it, and is honored in heaven for it (Rev 5).

Or more specifically about Acts 2: "God has raised this Jesus...and exalted to the right hand of God, he has recieved...the promised Holy Spirit and poured out what you see... God has made (him) Lord and Christ." The Spirit's arrival is proof of the enthronement of Christ. Besides the ability for the message to rapidly disperse to the mainstreets of the world, the Spirit caused widespread repentance.

Is there something in the water there that keeps you from seeing this?

As usual you have strayed from the topic at hand which is here the kingdom and the apostles understanding of it. This is the way you operate. When proven wrong you try to go in a different direction. I will not tag along with you.

 

[Interplanner]

The next logical question though was why we don't see the whole world subject to him. That is the apostles understanding of it. It could have been rather immediately, but God told him to sit until he made his enemies his footstool. It was not to resolve any geo-political issues with the neighbors.

Nothing was proven wrong.

 

[riverrat]

The next logical question though was why we don't see the whole world subject to him. That is the apostles understanding of it. It could have been rather immediately, but God told him to sit until he made his enemies his footstool. It was not to resolve any geo-political issues with the neighbors.

Nothing was proven wrong.

Why then do you not address the topic?

 

[Interplanner]

The topic was the assertion that Christ was enthroned immediately after his suffering, and the whole world could have be renewed at that point.

What did you think the topic was? I'm not sure this is the arena for you as you are full of consternation about a loss of topic when the logical question would be 'what topic do you think we are on?'

The reason for refering to Heb 1-2 is that it is one of the best expressions that Christ reigns now since the resurrection, even though we don't see the current world subject to him.

 

[riverrat]

The topic was the assertion that Christ was enthroned immediately after his suffering, and the whole world could have be renewed at that point.

What did you think the topic was? I'm not sure this is the arena for you as you are full of consternation about a loss of topic when the logical question would be 'what topic do you think we are on?'

The reason for refering to Heb 1-2 is that it is one of the best expressions that Christ reigns now since the resurrection, even though we don't see the current world subject to him.

No, that was the topic you went to to avoid the topic of the kingdom.

 

[Interplanner]

ahhh, I see. Christ reigning and the kingdom of Christ are totally separate. I had no idea.

 

[riverrat]

ahhh, I see. Christ reigning and the kingdom of Christ are totally separate. I had no idea.

And you also had no idea that the apostles understood the kingdom which was the topic which you continue to avoid.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

And you also had no idea that the apostles understood the kingdom which was the topic which you continue to avoid.

Hes made a name for himself as one who consistently avoids answering for his unfounded claims...