The Millennium - An Assortment of Possibilties

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Over the years I've heard various teachings about the Millennium of Revelation Chapter 20. All of the following are based on a few verses from that Chapter. It is obvious that all cannot be simultaneous. Look through my list. Add what you believe are additions to this list.

The Millennium

1. Christ will reign on the Earth for 1,000 years. This will be a theocracy. (Or, will it be? Hyper-Dispys can't agree on when or whether Christ is in Heaven or on the Earth the majority of this time.

2. Jerusalem will be the Earth’s capital or the center of rule on the Earth.

3. The 1,000 year reign of Christ on the Earth is for Israel only. This answers the many Old Testament predictions about a fully restored nation back in the Promised Land and a king is ruling over them who is a descendent of David. We give all OT prophecy priority over New Testament Scripture because we are required to read the Bible with a purely literal interpretation.

4. The Church is in Heaven during the millennium. Or, is it?

5. Refer to the writings of Enoch for more information.

6. There’s only 7,000 years of history, and the last 1,000 is the Millennium.

7. The resurrected saints, the Church AND Israel will be on the Earth.

8. There will be some in mortal and some in immortal bodies. Even though the Bible teaches that those who have gone to Heaven to receive new eternal bodies and will not be male nor female, the Earth will be repopulated. There will need to be population explosion as only a few will have survived the Tribulation Period, especially the G.T. The small number of Jews who made it through the Great Tribulation (2/3 will have been killed) will have to get very busy. But with humanity likely living to be 1,000 years of age there will not be any loss of population. And, the rest have eternal bodies anyway. Plus there will be no sickness, disease or war to take lives. It will be nearly Eden-like.

9. There will be another new Temple built as an antichrist will have destroyed the 3rd one.

10. There will be animal sacrifices in the Temple once again as a memorial to Christ’s sacrifice, even though He will be here in person and is to be central to worship. (Rip the Book of Hebrews from your Bible.)

11. Israel will become the true benefactors of the New Covenant. Currently the Church are under Grace, but not the actual New Covenant (Check with John Hagee for verification on that one). The Church was a secret plan of God and not meant to be part of the "new man" Paul speaks of. God had to go to Plan B when His bona fide offer of a kingdom was rejected by the Jews.

12. Nations and creation will be enjoying and in a near-perfect state, and there will be near-perfect peace. Sin will be rare.

13. God will have kept His promises to Israel. That supersedes everything else in the Bible, and Christ is not the suffering One of Isaiah 53 - that is about Israel and their suffering.

14. The saints will be rewarded and Christ’s disciples will each reign over one of the twelve tribes of Israel. Other loyal believers will have other responsibilities concerning ruling on the Earth.

15. Yet some insist that the Millennium is only for Israel as an answer to Old Testament prophecies. The Church/The Body has no part in this and will remain in Heaven. Doesn’t this actually make the most sense of all scenarios? After all, if the purpose of the Millennium is to answer prophecy concerning Israel only, there is no place in this for the Body/the Church.

16. After Christ has come to rule on the Earth, He will allow the Devil to be unchained and to have his way for a time on this Earth. There will be some who will still reject Christ even with His physical presence. This is the final testing of mankind’s loyalty to God Almighty. Another scenario like the Fall must be repeated.

17. This near perfect world with Christ reigning from a new Jerusalem will be destroyed and another new Jerusalem will come down from Heaven – the one that has been prepared for the Bride. Now, we can argue over who will be the Bride. Israel claims to already be the wife. Is God a polygamist?

18. After the Millennium the New Jerusalem will not touch down on the Earth but will remain planetary.
 
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notreligus said in post 1:

Christ will reign on the Earth for 1,000 years.

That's right.

Jesus will physically reign on the earth during the 1,000 years, for the 1,000 years will begin after his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), when he will physically land on the earth and rule it from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-21). And because Jesus will reign physically on the earth during the 1,000 years, so will the physically resurrected church, for the physically resurrected church will reign with Jesus during the 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6). And so in Revelation 5:10, the reference to the church reigning in the future "on the earth" includes the 1,000 years. Also, in Revelation 2:26-29, the reigning of the church physically over the nations can refer to the 1,000 years. There's no reason to exclude the 1,000 years from Revelation 5:10 or Revelation 2:26-29, just as there's no reason to exclude the earth from Revelation 20:4-6.

notreligus said in post 1:

There’s only 7,000 years of history, and the last 1,000 is the Millennium.

That's could be right, insofar as the last days began in the first century AD, with Jesus' first coming (Hebrews 1:2), and the Holy Spirit's pouring out at the Pentecost in Acts 2 (Acts 2:16-17). And the last days can be the last three, roughly 1,000-year "days" (2 Peter 3:8), of the seven, roughly 1,000-year "days" from the creation of Adam in roughly 4,000 BC to the future end of the present earth and the creation of the new earth (Revelation 21:1) in roughly 3,000 AD. So the last "days" can be the roughly 3,000 years from Jesus' first coming to sometime after the future millennium (Revelation 20:4-6), which will be part of the last, roughly 1,000-year "day" (2 Peter 3:8), which could begin at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8).

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After all, if the purpose of the Millennium is to answer prophecy concerning Israel only, there is no place in this for the Body/the Church.

There's no such dichotomy. For all genetic Jews in the church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), and the New Covenant is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the same as the "one fold" of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A genetic Gentile believer can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into, and he will receive an answer from God, if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22), without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).
 
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That's right.

Jesus will physically reign on the earth during the 1,000 years, for the 1,000 years will begin after his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), when he will physically land on the earth and rule it from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-21). And because Jesus will reign physically on the earth during the 1,000 years, so will the physically resurrected church, for the physically resurrected church will reign with Jesus during the 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6). And so in Revelation 5:10, the reference to the church reigning in the future "on the earth" includes the 1,000 years. Also, in Revelation 2:26-29, the reigning of the church physically over the nations can refer to the 1,000 years. There's no reason to exclude the 1,000 years from Revelation 5:10 or Revelation 2:26-29, just as there's no reason to exclude the earth from Revelation 20:4-6.



That's could be right, insofar as the last days began in the first century AD, with Jesus' first coming (Hebrews 1:2), and the Holy Spirit's pouring out at the Pentecost in Acts 2 (Acts 2:16-17). And the last days can be the last three, roughly 1,000-year "days" (2 Peter 3:8), of the seven, roughly 1,000-year "days" from the creation of Adam in roughly 4,000 BC to the future end of the present earth and the creation of the new earth (Revelation 21:1) in roughly 3,000 AD. So the last "days" can be the roughly 3,000 years from Jesus' first coming to sometime after the future millennium (Revelation 20:4-6), which will be part of the last, roughly 1,000-year "day" (2 Peter 3:8), which could begin at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8).



There's no such dichotomy. For all genetic Jews in the church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), and the New Covenant is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the same as the "one fold" of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A genetic Gentile believer can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into, and he will receive an answer from God, if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22), without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).
Compare notes with the Hyper/Mid-Acts Dispensationals. They claim some of the millennial conditions which I have listed. I don't share their belief that Israel will be on the Earth for eternity and the Church will depart from the Earth before the Tribulation Period and never reside on the Earth again. Israel is to receive their promised earthly blessings and the Church will receive their promised Heavenly blessings, according to those folk. These Hypers do some branch chopping after the Tribulation Period and send the old branches back to the Earth.
 
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"We give all OT prophecy priority over New Testament Scripture because we are required to read the Bible with a purely literal interpretation." Is a totally false representation of the stand of any dispensationalist or even of any futurist I have ever met.

We do not give priority to any scripture over any other, that is the stand of preterists and perhaps historists. We deny that the New Testament teaches that the Old Testament prophecies will not indeed be fulfilled. We demonstrate that this is your interpretation of the meaning of what the New Testament says, not what it says.
 
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notreligus said:
Over the years I've heard various teachings about the Millennium of Revelation Chapter 20. All of the following are based on a few verses from that Chapter. It is obvious that all cannot be simultaneous. Look through my list. Add what you believe are additions to this list.

The Millennium

1. Christ will reign on the Earth for 1,000 years. This will be a theocracy. (Or, will it be? Hyper-Dispys can't agree on when or whether Christ is in Heaven or on the Earth the majority of this time.

2. Jerusalem will be the Earth’s capital or the center of rule on the Earth.

3. The 1,000 year reign of Christ on the Earth is for Israel only. This answers the many Old Testament predictions about a fully restored nation back in the Promised Land and a king is ruling over them who is a descendent of David. We give all OT prophecy priority over New Testament Scripture because we are required to read the Bible with a purely literal interpretation.

4. The Church is in Heaven during the millennium. Or, is it?

5. Refer to the writings of Enoch for more information.

6. There’s only 7,000 years of history, and the last 1,000 is the Millennium.

7. The resurrected saints, the Church AND Israel will be on the Earth.

8. There will be some in mortal and some in immortal bodies. Even though the Bible teaches that those who have gone to Heaven to receive new eternal bodies and will not be male nor female, the Earth will be repopulated. There will need to be population explosion as only a few will have survived the Tribulation Period, especially the G.T. The small number of Jews who made it through the Great Tribulation (2/3 will have been killed) will have to get very busy. But with humanity likely living to be 1,000 years of age there will not be any loss of population. And, the rest have eternal bodies anyway. Plus there will be no sickness, disease or war to take lives. It will be nearly Eden-like.

9. There will be another new Temple built as an antichrist will have destroyed the 3rd one.

10. There will be animal sacrifices in the Temple once again as a memorial to Christ’s sacrifice, even though He will be here in person and is to be central to worship. (Rip the Book of Hebrews from your Bible.)

11. Israel will become the true benefactors of the New Covenant. Currently the Church are under Grace, but not the actual New Covenant (Check with John Hagee for verification on that one). The Church was a secret plan of God and not meant to be part of the "new man" Paul speaks of. God had to go to Plan B when His bona fide offer of a kingdom was rejected by the Jews.

12. Nations and creation will be enjoying and in a near-perfect state, and there will be near-perfect peace. Sin will be rare.

13. God will have kept His promises to Israel. That supersedes everything else in the Bible, and Christ is not the suffering One of Isaiah 53 - that is about Israel and their suffering.

14. The saints will be rewarded and Christ’s disciples will each reign over one of the twelve tribes of Israel. Other loyal believers will have other responsibilities concerning ruling on the Earth.

15. Yet some insist that the Millennium is only for Israel as an answer to Old Testament prophecies. The Church/The Body has no part in this and will remain in Heaven. Doesn’t this actually make the most sense of all scenarios? After all, if the purpose of the Millennium is to answer prophecy concerning Israel only, there is no place in this for the Body/the Church.

16. After Christ has come to rule on the Earth, He will allow the Devil to be unchained and to have his way for a time on this Earth. There will be some who will still reject Christ even with His physical presence. This is the final testing of mankind’s loyalty to God Almighty. Another scenario like the Fall must be repeated.

17. This near perfect world with Christ reigning from a new Jerusalem will be destroyed and another new Jerusalem will come down from Heaven – the one that has been prepared for the Bride. Now, we can argue over who will be the Bride. Israel claims to already be the wife. Is God a polygamist?

18. After the Millennium the New Jerusalem will not touch down on the Earth but will remain planetary.

Hi, I'm just curious about what you personally believe and where it comes from scripture? You have a very long list of random things. Please explain how you believe . Thanks
 
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I tend to believe the millennium is hogwash, but then I question whether Revelation belongs in the Bible at all. If it does belong, I certainly question whether it can reasonably be used as the principal basis for a doctrine such as the millennium. However, for a somewhat more informed response, pick up a copy of the Zondervan Counterpoints text, Three Views On the Millennium and Beyond. The contributors have competing views and do a good job of sorting out the whole premillennial, postmillennial, amillennial debate (with the amillenials questioning the use of Revelation as a principal basis for the doctrine of a literal millennium). I have no dog in the fight, but I do find texts like the Counterpoints series to be far more enlightening on serious issues than threads on CF. Your mileage may vary.
 
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"We give all OT prophecy priority over New Testament Scripture because we are required to read the Bible with a purely literal interpretation." Is a totally false representation of the stand of any dispensationalist or even of any futurist I have ever met.

We do not give priority to any scripture over any other, that is the stand of preterists and perhaps historists. We deny that the New Testament teaches that the Old Testament prophecies will not indeed be fulfilled. We demonstrate that this is your interpretation of the meaning of what the New Testament says, not what it says.
Nope. The OT is to be read in light of the NT. The OT Law is abolished in Christ!

Therefore we have Peter in his first sermon at Pentecost explaining the prophecy of Joel to the Jews.

Jesus did that with the apostles as well as with the two on the road to Emmaus. He explained HOW the OT Psalms and prophets applied.

We have Paul telling us the temple is a spiritual temple built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ as the cornerstone. So this idea things are to be read literally is wrong...and you are wrong to put it forth Biblewriter

You have it backwards.
 
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Nope. The OT is to be read in light of the NT. The OT Law is abolished in Christ!

"Anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19)

Jesus then goes through individual laws and explains how they are each meant to contribute to love in mankind. He tries to show us the purpose of these laws (why God commanded them to us in the first place), and He essentially makes them stricter by teaching us it is about even more than doing what the law says.

Murder is a sin, but He teaches that even anger is sinful. Adultery is a sin, but He teaches that even divorce is sinful. Falsely swearing an oath by God is a sin, but He tells us that swearing by anything at all is sinful (even if we are honest); so we should just say yes or no, and always be honest about that. We had been taught to avoid excessive punishment, but He teaches us to avoid wrath altogether and to instead love our enemies and give even to those who steal from us or persecute us.

Christians should not only strive to follow the Law, we should further it by seeing the love behind it (why did God command these things), since we have now known God in the flesh.
 
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notreligus said in post 4:

I don't share their belief that Israel will be on the Earth for eternity and the Church will depart from the Earth before the Tribulation Period and never reside on the Earth again.

It's good not to share the belief that the church will depart from the earth. For no scripture teaches that the church will be raptured any higher than the clouds of the sky, to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus at his 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). After that meeting, in which the church will be judged by Jesus (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27) and the obedient part of the church will be married to Jesus (Revelation 19:7, Matthew 25:1-13), the obedient part of the church will come back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:15-21) and will reign on the earth with him for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). Then, after the 1,000 years and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), the obedient part of the church will live on the new earth with God the Father and Jesus in the literal city of New Jerusalem (Revelation chapters 21-22).

notreligus said in post 4:

I don't share their belief that Israel will be on the Earth for eternity and the Church will depart from the Earth before the Tribulation Period and never reside on the Earth again.

It's also good not to share the belief that the church will be raptured before the tribulation. For Jesus won't come and gather together (rapture) the church until immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). That's why the marriage of the church doesn't happen until Revelation 19:7, in connection with Jesus' 2nd coming and the bodily resurrection of the church at that time (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). Matthew 24:30-31 refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as 2 Thessalonians 2:1, which refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and catching up together (rapture) of the church as 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.

Jesus won't return and gather together (rapture) the church until sometime after there's a falling away (an apostasy) in the church, and the Antichrist sits in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaims himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Revelation 11:1-2, Revelation 13:4-8), and the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 3rd Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15-31, Daniel 11:31). For when Jesus returns to gather together (and marry) the church he will destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20). Before Jesus returns, the church will have to go through the future, literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-31).

At Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30), the church will be resurrected and caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:31), not to remove the church from the earth (Proverbs 10:30, John 17:15,20), but to take the church only as high as the clouds of the sky to hold a meeting in the air with the returned Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

At that meeting, Jesus will judge everyone in the church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27) by their works (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6-8, Luke 12:45-48, Matthew 25:19-30). And then Jesus will marry in the clouds the obedient part of the church (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), those in the church (of all times) who "overcame" (Revelation 3:5). They will then mount white horses and come back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he defeats the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and all the world's armies (Revelation 19:15-21). Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the resurrected and married obedient part of the church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54). Jesus and the obedient part of the church will then reign on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).

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The mistaken idea of a pre-tribulation rapture is dangerous because when no pre-tribulation rapture occurs, and pre-trib believers begin to suffer in the tribulation, they could think that God has somehow been defeated by Satan, that Satan by his power has caused a pre-trib rapture not to happen despite God wanting one to. Or they could think that God has cruelly broken his (supposed) promise, that he has pulled the rug out from under them, that he cruelly lied to them and must now be laughing at their surprise and suffering (Proverbs 1:26), so that in their rage they could curse God and commit apostasy during the tribulation (Isaiah 8:21-22, Matthew 24:9-13, Matthew 13:21), to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12).

And even if they instead rightly think, "Okay, we must have just been mistaken in thinking that the rapture was supposed to be pre-trib. Satan hasn't defeated God, and God didn't lie to us", nonetheless, because they'd held so strongly to the pre-trib idea for so long, their minds could be completely unprepared to face the long tribulation that lies ahead of them (just as holding too strongly to the mistaken idea of preterism, or historicism, or symbolicism, or spiritualism, could leave some believers less prepared mentally to endure the future tribulation). The Bible gives those in the church clear warning ahead of time about everything that they're going to have to face during the future tribulation (Mark 13:23, Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Revelation 1:1, Revelation 22:16), so that they can be better prepared mentally not to be blindsided (1 Peter 4:12-13) or deceived by anything that's coming (Matthew 24:4-5,23-25, Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), and so that they can be better prepared mentally to endure the future tribulation with patience and faith to the end (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6), that is, until death or until Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
 
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"Anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19)

Jesus then goes through individual laws and explains how they are each meant to contribute to love in mankind. He tries to show us the purpose of these laws (why God commanded them to us in the first place), and He essentially makes them stricter by teaching us it is about even more than doing what the law says.

Murder is a sin, but He teaches that even anger is sinful. Adultery is a sin, but He teaches that even divorce is sinful. Falsely swearing an oath by God is a sin, but He tells us that swearing by anything at all is sinful (even if we are honest); so we should just say yes or no, and always be honest about that. We had been taught to avoid excessive punishment, but He teaches us to avoid wrath altogether and to instead love our enemies and give even to those who steal from us or persecute us.

Christians should not only strive to follow the Law, we should further it by seeing the love behind it (why did God command these things), since we have now known God in the flesh.

I don't know what point you attempt to make...but it's a non issue. When you acknowledge Paul makes it clear the Law applies to mankind altogether in Romans 2:12-16:
12 Forall who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;
13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16 on the day when,according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

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The Law is written on the heart...it's on every man's conscience...so your argument is is totally a moot point.

No one dismisses the law here. My statement refers to Jesus revealing HOW the Law and the prophets applied to Him.

Do you not understand that "the Law" includes the civil and ceremonial aspects of it?

So Jesus was shedding light on HOW the ceremonial aspects of the Law, which are the feasts days, Sabbath days, sacrifices, etc and how they pointed to Him. So you have to understand what portion of the Law Jesus was explaining to the apostles.
 
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