The Kingdom of the Beast what is 100% for sure

[Just The Facts]

Hello

I often find when studying end time prophecy it helps to bring all the verses together on a single subject and then go through them and make a list of everything we are told with 100% certainty.

All the verses below we can say with 100% certainty are regarding the AC's Kingdom at the time of the End.

There are other verses that have been assumed to be about the end but we are not directly told they are about the end.

This thread is about 100% certainty not about assumptions.

As we know Daniel 2: has a picture of the final Kingdom.

42: And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43: And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44: And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.


Daniel 7: Also has a picture of this final Kingdom.

23: Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24: And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26: But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. 27: And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Daniel 8: also has a picture of this Kingdom

23: And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24: And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25: And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Daniel 11 also has a picture of this Kingdom

40: And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41: He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42: He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43: But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44: But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45: And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. 1: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2: And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3: And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4: But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Rev 17 also has this Kingdom.

8: The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9: And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11: And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12: And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13: These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14: These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

So what are we told with 100% certainty.

1. That it is the fourth Kingdom to rule the world.
2. That out of it will come ten Kings/Kingdoms
3. That in the days of the ten Kingdoms Jesus will return.
4. That the Kingdom will fight against Jesus and the Armies of Heaven.
5. The King of the Kingdom will set his Palace between the sea and the Glorious mountain.
6. The time of the end is a time when Knowledge has increased greatly and people travel around allot.
7. The King of the North is the Kingdom of the AC.
8. The King of the North invades the lands of the King of the South and the Holy Land.
9. The Fourth Kingdom to rule the world grows out of one of the four Kingdoms of the break up of Greece.
10. That the Final King (beast from the pit) will over throw three Kings and become the Eighth King of the Kingdom.
11. That 10 kings will willingly turn over their countries to the AC.
12. He will think to change the times and laws.
13. An interesting thing is it clearly states that try mingle with the seed of men. suggesting that the final 10 kings are not men.

The last point I find very interesting because Jesus tells us it will be as it was in the days of Noah

37: But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38: For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark

We know from Genesis 6 that in the days of Noah Fallen Angels took human wives.

2: That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The question then becomes is this what is meant by the 10 kings trying to mingle with the seed of men. The language is ambiguous so we can not state this with 100% certainty.

So when you put this all together you get this

The Ac's Kingdom will be the fourth Kingdom to rule the world. It will come from one of the four pieces of Greece. In the last days there will be 10 Kings that will try and mingle with the seed of men but it will not last. These ten Kings will give their Kingdoms over to the Beast from the pit. He is an eight King of the Kingdom he will try and change laws and times. His Kingdom will be in the North and the King of the south will start the war. This will all happen at the time of the end which is defined as a time when people travel allot and knowledge has increased exponentially.

 

[Interplanner]

Why would 10 evil kings be considered "the sons of God"? "Sons of men" more like!

Dan 8 is about the leader of the "rebellion that desolates" which is the "abomination that desolates" in 9, which is said to happen in 490 years, the mid-1st century AD.

In terms of Daniel's 4 kingdoms, Rome was the 4th. What has to be sorted out is the "revived" part. Historic or futurist?

 

[ebedmelech]

All the verses below we can say with 100% certainty are regarding the AC's Kingdom at the time of the End.

To all of that, the question is what are you calling "the time of the end"?

 

[Douggg]

Hello
So what are we told with 100% certainty.

1. That it is the fourth Kingdom to rule the world.

Okay, so far.

2. That out of it will come ten Kings/Kingdoms

Not ten kingdoms, but one kingdom, "their kingdom" in Daniel 8:23.

3. That in the days of the ten Kingdoms Jesus will return.

Okay

4. That the Kingdom will fight against Jesus and the Armies of Heaven.

Okay, that kingdom, and the other kingdoms of the world as well.

5. The King of the Kingdom will set his Palace between the sea and the Glorious mountain.

Okay.

6. The time of the end is a time when Knowledge has increased greatly and people travel around allot.

Okay,.

7. The King of the North is the Kingdom of the AC.

No,the AC and his kingdom is that of the west. The king of the north will attack him.

8. The King of the North invades the lands of the King of the South and the Holy Land.

The king of the West does that.

9. The Fourth Kingdom to rule the world grows out of one of the four Kingdoms of the break up of Greece.

The little horn waxes strong from the land of one of the four breakup kingdoms. It doesn't say anything about fourth kingdom in Daniel 8.

The little horn stands up out of the kingdom of the trangressors, at the end of their kingdom when they have come to a full. Their kingdom is not any of the four breakup kingdoms. Their kingdom is the fourth kingdom which is from Daniel 7, not Daniel 8. The verse Daniel 8:9 is where the little horn waxes strong from, the location. But that is not the fourth kingdom.

The four breakups kingdoms became kingdoms at the same time, when Alexander died. You may be thinking kingdom 1, 2, 3, 4 - and number 4 is the fourth kingdom. But that is not the fourth kingdom. The fourth kingdom is not spoken of directly in Daniel 8. You have to go to Daniel 7 to know that the fourth kingdom follows the greek empire. It is the Roman Empire, of iron.

10. That the Final King (beast from the pit) will over throw three Kings and become the Eighth King of the Kingdom.

No you got things out of order. The little horn will remove three of the original ten. They get replaced to bring the number back to ten.

11. That 10 kings will willingly turn over their countries to the AC.

The ten kings give their "kingdom" singular to the Antichrist-beast when the time comes with 42 months left in 7 years.

12. He will think to change the times and laws.

Okay.

13. An interesting thing is it clearly states that try mingle with the seed of men. suggesting that the final 10 kings are not men.

The ten kings, are addressed in verse 42, the meaning of the iron and clay. as being strong and weak parts of the kingdom some strong, some weak.

In the next verse 43 is the mixed iron with mirey clay, which describes the feet and the toes of the final empire . So there may be some cast down angel interaction with the daughters of men - but it won;t work out this time around.

So when you put this all together you get this[

The Ac's Kingdom will be the fourth Kingdom to rule the world. It will come from one of the four pieces of Greece. In the last days there will be 10 Kings that will try and mingle with the seed of men but it will not last. These ten Kings will give their Kingdoms over to the Beast from the pit. He is an eight King of the Kingdom he will try and change laws and times. His Kingdom will be in the North and the King of the south will start the war. This will all happen at the time of the end which is defined as a time when people travel allot and knowledge has increased exponentially.

You need to rethink because the 4 breakup kingdoms, the fourth empire is not any of those. The 4 breakup kingdoms is not 1, then 2, then 3, then 4. It was all at once, there were 4 kingdoms from Alexander's death.

The fourth kingdom is determined from Daniel 7. Not Daniel 8. You got the four heads on the leopard, right? But the fourth beast coming out of the sea is separate from those.

Daniel8:22 preceding Daniel 8:23 can be confusing be there is a tendency to assume and try and work it that one of the four breakup kingdoms in Daniel 8:22 is "their" kingdom in Daniel 8:23. But like in Daniel 7, those 4 heads on the leopard are not connected to the kingdom of the next empire coming out of the sea which the ten kings are from.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

Don't miss that a second vision began to unfold at Daniel 7:7.
Daniel uses the word then - visions.

They were visions that appeared in a dream Daniel was having. The word visions also appears in Daniel 7:13. That it was a dream is in verse....

15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

Everything was in a dream that Daniel was having while he slept.

 

[Friar Tuck]

The Roman Empire was a huge Empire and we are told to count 10 nations within that , so I would probably start with Libya and Ethiopia and work my way around.

http://www.3dhistory.co.uk/fact-sheet/images/005-Roman-Empire-01.jpg

 

[Douggg]

The Roman Empire was a huge Empire and we are told to count 10 nations within that , so I would probably start with Libya and Ethiopia and work my way around.

http://www.3dhistory.co.uk/fact-sheet/images/005-Roman-Empire-01.jpg

Hi Tuck, one has to consider that the kingdom of ten kings has to have the military might to carry out the Antichrist's agenda. That would be the EU.

It is not ten countries but ten kings. Or ten leaders of what will be one kingdom. It may be ten countries, but I think that is unlikely. I think the EU 26 member countries will be grouped into ten blocks to get relatively equal representation when they move to a true federal government. We will just have to watch and see what materializes.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Just The Facts]

Hi Doug

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No,the AC and his kingdom is that of the west. The king of the north will attack him.
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No you are mistaken. there is no King of the west. That is your interpretation. I am only dealing with 100% certainty not assumptions.

Every verse I used has one of two things in common.

1. They directly say it is the time of the end
2. They directly say that the Kingdom fights Jesus and the Saints.

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8. The King of the North invades the lands of the King of the South and the Holy Land.

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The king of the West does that.
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Once again I am dealing with things we are directly told not your assumptions and theories.

40: And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

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The little horn waxes strong from the land of one of the four breakup kingdoms. It doesn't say anything about fourth kingdom in Daniel 8.
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No not directly in either chapter. However look to my two points above and there is a commonality to these two chapters.

Both the fourth Beast and the Kingdom that comes from the four kings of Greece Battle Jesus and the Saints.

Both directly speak of the AC and his battle. They are one in the same or perhaps there could be two battles of the AC and Jesus. The second scenario seems very, very unlikely.

Dan 7:21: I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;22: Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Dan 8:24: And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25: And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

As we all can plainly see these two verses speak of the AC and his battle with the saints and then Jesus returns.

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The ten kings give their "kingdom" singular to the Antichrist-beast when the time comes with 42 months left in 7 years.
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No you are assuming again. They are ten kings that have yet to receive a Kingdom. No Kingdom has ten Kings. It is ten kingdoms with ten kings that all turn over their Kingdom to the Ac creating a single Kingdom.

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The ten kings, are addressed in verse 42, the meaning of the iron and clay. as being strong and weak parts of the kingdom some strong, some weak.

In the next verse 43 is the mixed iron with mirey clay, which describes the feet and the toes of the final empire . So there may be some cast down angel interaction with the daughters of men - but it won;t work out this time around.
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That may be true but it conjecture not fact. It could also be true that the Iron and Clay refers to Iron = Angels and Clay = Men.

We are told they try to mix with the seed of Men ...So we have two things here, the 10 Kings.....and the seed of Men....but it doesn't work just Like the Iron won't mix with the clay. The iron and Clay is an analogy of the failure of the 10 Kings to mix with the seed of men. Leaving the kingdom partly strong IE: The eternal and supernatural nature of the fallen Angels mixed with the mortal non supernatural nature of men.

Once again my conjecture is just that, conjecture it is not stated fact.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

Daniel 7:1
"...Daniel had a dream...told the sum of the matters."

v2
"...in my vision by night...four great beasts..."

Verse 2, Daniel relates that in his dream he saw four great beasts.

Up to verse 7 Daniel has seen only three beasts. Then there was a interlude, which after the first three beasts were viewed, he saw the fourth beast. The term "visions" is that there was an interlude between segments of his dream.

But at verse 7, Daniel changes to referring to visions, and again tells us that he saw this in the night. Daniel would not repeat that night part again, unless this is the second vision that he would now give details as to what happened.

No, it is not details of the previous three. It is continuation. Three of the beasts had been seen, in detail in verses 4-6. And he was about to see the fourth in verse 7.

Verse 7 is the second segment of what he saw as he was sleeping. It was just a dream he was having, he didn't wake. Verse 7 is the fourth beast. There are only four beasts.

The leopard beast rises two times. The second time it shows up with four heads.

I highlighted part of your text in blue. I don't understand your basis for saying that.

What exact verses are you reading the word "leopard" in? Verses 4-6 lists only three of the beasts. Verse 7 is the fourth.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

Daniel didn't say that in his dream he saw four great beasts and that was all. Daniel places the four great beasts as seen during one vision.

v2
"Daniel spake and said. I saw in my vision by night..."
"And four great beasts came..."

But with Daniel 7:7, he switches to telling what he saw after the time of
seeing the four great beasts. This is why Daniel makes the word vision as now being in the plural form and repeats that it is by night.

He only lists three in verses 4-6, the fourth is in verse 7. There is an interlude in his dream between beast 3 and 4. Each beast coming out of the sea is a vision unto itself. That's why he says in the night visions. There are not two sets of four beasts.

Daniel 7:4,5,6
"The first...like a lion...it was lifted up from the earth...it."

"And...second...like to a bear...it...it...it..it..."

"After...like a leopard...it...the beast...it."

If we count the its - there are four different ones.

There are only three beasts in verses, 4, 5, 6. The lion, bear, leopard.
The leopard had 4 heads on it, in addition to the 4 wings. In addition to the 4 wings because it says the beast had ALSO four heads (kjv). The four heads are the four breakup kingdoms. It is one leopard beast. It is not one leopard beast and then a second leopard beast.

The leopard rose once with one head, just like the lion and the bear types had done, but it then rose again - having four heads.

No, it didn't. The leopard came out of the sea, and it had four wings and four heads on it.

Verse 7 can't contain the four great beasts in the scenes as they came during the time of a - vision by night. Verse 7 starts the story of the second vision that Daniel saw in the same night as when the four great beasts were shown to him.

Verse 7 is about the fourth beast because verses 4, 5, 6 are the other three beasts.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

Daniel told us that in - vision - he saw four great beasts.
Daniel would not then toss one of those great beasts into a part where he wrote as to -visions.

Within his dream, each time Daniel saw a beast coming out of the water, it was a vision unto itself. The first three beast were three visions. They came without pause, one after the other. Then there was slight pause and then he saw the fourth beast.

in my vision - saw four

But at verse 7, we find Daniel no longer referring to that vision.
Daniel now tells us a - visions time.
as in -this is the second vision shown to him that night

It is in the same dream, it doesn't say second vision. Or another vision.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

In his dream Daniel was being presented with beasts coming out of the sea, one a time. Each time a beast comes out of the sea, unto itself is a vision. After seeing the first three (each a vision unto itself), there was a slight pause because of the significance of the fourth beast being the one which the little horn comes out of, and then Daniel saw the fourth beast (each beast's emergence being a vision unto itself).

Then after a pause, after seeing the fourth beast, in Daniel 13, Daniel sees Jesus arriving in heaven, having ascended up into clouds as told in the account of Acts 1.

Daniel 7 also refers to a dominion - this is where the ten kings come in as on a different 4th beast. They do not have the name of blasphemy on them. Daniel 7 is showing where they come from and the little horn, but the seven heads are from a totally different beasts/vision.s.

like a
lion- one head
bear one head
leopard - one head
leopard - the beast - had also four heads

No five heads on the leopard. It had only four heads.

Concerning the fourth beast, you are trying to read into the text, that there is an end times version in verse 7 and an ancient version "unspoken of" between the lines of verse 6 and 7, as added to the other three beasts.

Daniel 7 doesn't make that delineation, although in understanding the entire end times scenario, start to finish, it is true there is the ancient Roman Empire and and end times version of it.

To get the understanding that there is an end times version of the fourth beast that the little horn and ten kings come out of, it is necessary to understand what it says in Revelation 17, 13, 12 and Daniel 2, 8.

The phrase "end times" does not appear in Daniel 7. We know that the ten kings are end times by Daniel 2 and Revelation 17, 13, 12 collectively.

The fourth beast in Daniel 7 has only one head. The horns, ten, and the little horn, can be assumed to be on the one head - the one head represents the end time version (the EU) of the fourth beast in Daniel 7. Overall though, the beast in Daniel 7 is the Roman Empire, ancient and end times.

The seven heads don't appear until Revelation 17, 12, 13. Those seven heads give the kings of the Roman Empire, historic, and the last one yet to come, the end times Antichrist who will be slain and come back to life timed sometime right before the last 42 months.

 

[Gottservant]

Nowhere does it say the anti-Christ will rule the world, that is a Christian fiction.

Nowhere does it say the anti-Christ will not be convicted by the Holy Spirit, that is a Chistian fiction.

Nowhere does it say that everyone will live happily ever after, that is a Christian fiction.

 

[Douggg]

Nowhere does it say the anti-Christ will rule the world, that is a Christian fiction.

Nowhere does it say the anti-Christ will not be convicted by the Holy Spirit, that is a Chistian fiction.

Nowhere does it say that everyone will live happily ever after, that is a Christian fiction.

The bible refers to the Antichrist in code names. The beast in Revelation 13 is the Antichrist. Jesus is the seed of the woman in Genesis, and the suffering servant in Isaiah 53. Those are code names.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

After Daniel told us about the leopard, he then begins to refer to - no longer a beast as -it - but - the beast - and this one had also four heads.

What? What are you talking about? Do a copy and paste of the exact verse and highlight the exact words you are referring to.

the four great beasts - are not Roman
none of them are

And why is the fourth one not the Roman Empire?

So none of the seven heads in Rev. 13 are Roman Empire heads.
They are
one head - represents - like a lion
one head - represents - like a bear
one head - represents - like a leopard
four heads - as the beast = all seven heads of the mixed beast of
Rev. 13.

So you are contending that the fourth beast in Daniel 7 is the beast in Revelation 13? With the 7 heads as being the king of Babylon empire, the king of the Mede/Persian empire, the four kings of the breakup Greek empire, the king of the fourth empire?

Which of those 7 kings, the sixth of them, was ruling at the time of John in Revelation 17:10?