Once again Limo I see you have replied without understanding of what I have written or what is written in your Holy Book the Quran. However my rebuttal follows:-
Injeel is totally different from Gospels in many ways:
- Allah told us about Injeel إنجيل as a book revealed to Al-Masseh personally via Gabriel
- Injeel is a revealed book to the Prophet Al-Masseh
- Injeel is like Torah and Quran
- It's not subject to be edited
- It's a false translation to translate it to Injeel as Gospel(s)
Yes I mentioned all these point in post #1 and accept this is the Islamic belief. However my problem is the Quran does not support this in its entirety.
What about Gospel(s) ?
- It's created/written by Mark, Luke, Matteo, and John
Yes this is common knowledge, nothing new here.
Nothing in Quran about these 4 Apostles
Here are a few Surahs with the Tafsir (Islamic commentary)
Surah 19:12 "O John, hold on to the Scripture firmly," and We gave him wisdom in his youth.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn, trans. Feras Hamza
And two years after his birth God exalted be He said to him ‘O John! Hold on to the Scripture namely the Torah firmly’ earnestly. And We gave him judgement prophethood while still a child a three-year old;
Clearly referring to John the Baptist
Surah 5:110
110 When Allah will say, "O Jesus son of Mary, recall My favor upon you and upon your mother, how I supported you with the Holy Spirit.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn, trans. Feras Hamza
Mention when God said ‘O Jesus son of Mary remember My favour to you and to your mother be thankful for it; when I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit.
Surah 3:52-53
When Jesus sensed disbelief on their part, he said, "Who are my allies towards Allah?" The disciples said, "We are Allah's allies; we have believed in Allah, and bear witness that we submit." "Our Lord, we have believed in what You have revealed, and we have followed the Messenger, so count us among the witnesses."
Tafsir al-Jalalayn, trans. Feras Hamza
And when Jesus sensed when he became aware of their disbelief and they plotted to kill him he said ‘Who will be my helpers departing unto God?’ to help His religion; The disciples said ‘We will be helpers of God those who assist His religion they were Jesus’s intimates and the first to believe in him. They were twelve men who were of pure white complexion hawar; but some say that they were called hawāriyyūn because they were bleachers of clothes qassārūn; we believe in we accept the truth of God; witness O Jesus that we have submitted.
Clearly Jesus disciples, Mathew Mark, John and so on, which after Jesus Crucifixion were know as apostles.
Please take note that these are not my words but directly from your Quran as revealed by Allah
There is no evidences that Al-Masseh has reviewed/read/written/said these books
If you had of read post # 1 you would see this is what I said.
Gospel as somehow like History of Jesus-Christ.
Luke 1:1 "I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus"
Funny you take about rules and reading things in context, the next verse says what ...........
It's not the interpretation it's about the context.
If you want to understand a book, you can't cut peaces out of context and ask questions.
You need to know about language, environment, circumstances, history to understand the context of a statement.
Luke's writing is just an investigation (not an eye witness even)
As we know you edited the scripture to suit you argument, not very honest of you is it, funny against your claim of reading things incontext as noted above.
Luke 1:1-4
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
Luke's writing is just a letter from someone to a friend
That is clear from the scripture, what is your point.
From the above, there is no connection between Injeel and what is known as Gospel(s). The word Gospel is not in Quran in any of the verses you've listed.
I have sited a number of Surah saying other wise. Therefore to accept your claim above means to deny what the Quran is teaching.
Absoultly false as it's based on a false assumption that Al-Masseh's Injeel is same as the Gosepl's of Mark, Luke, Mathew, and John
I have sited a number of Surah saying other wise. Therefore to accept your claim above means to deny what the Quran is teaching. Besides the quran itself say it is clear and easy to understand.
Another false results based on 3 false assumptions:
- Injeel is not the Gospel(s)
Ok the third time you have said this and still its your word against the Quran. Which should I believe.
"Christian(s)" is not in Quran at all. Quran calls Jews who believed in Al-Masseh as prophet نصارى which means supporters, helpers, followers not Christians
Here are 3 verses from surah 2 alone and there are many more.
Have you actually read the quran or do you just reciet it in blind faith of what your Iman tells you?
[2:62]Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the
Christians, and the Sabeans—any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and act righteously—will have their reward with their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
ITANI - Allah
[2:111]And they say, "None will enter Heaven unless he is a Jew or a
Christian." These are their wishes. Say, "Produce your proof, if you are truthful."
ITANI - Allah
[2:113]The Jews say, "The
Christians are not based on anything;" and the Christians say, "The Jews are not based on anything." Yet they both read the Scripture. Similarly, the ignorant said the same thing. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection regarding their differences.
ITANI - Allah
Gospel in Prophet Mohamed era is the same as the one exist today. I guide you to 3 subjects :
No of this has anything to do with the topic of the thread. since you do not under stand the Quran why would you want to discuss textual variants for, we know they there.
There is no single evidence or proof that a letter has been changed.
We have already discussed this in the associated thread and you failed to offer any proof. Is not the topic of this thread
The NT is not the Injeel mentioned in Quran.
Clearly the Quran does not agree with you.
secondly all you offer is I say so comments with no references to the Quran.
So I think in this case I will go with the Quran version.
Regards Doug