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The Great Pants Debate

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Sep 16, 2010.

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  1. Michie

    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    In response to a certain missive making the rounds in reference to ladies' fashion -- and, more specifically, why dresses and skirts should be the norm for Catholic women -- Simcha Fisher has one word: pants.

    Continued- http://www.insidecatholic.com/myblog/the-great-pants-debate.html
     
  2. cobweb

    cobweb Cranky octogenarian at heart

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    Hmmm.... I do occasionally wear pants, but I can manage to wrestle a tantrumming 5'2" 110 lb autistic kid to his room while I am wearing an ankle length skirt. It isn't any more difficult in a skirt than in pants.

    I really don't find any of her reasons convincing.
     
  3. Fantine

    Fantine Dona Quixote

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    When our friends purchased some land by a river (they were really granola people--they bought the land because a developer wanted to build a dam and turn the river into a lake and make resorts, and they wanted to save the environment) they built a little cabin and invited a group of us over...

    To my horror, they didn't have a bathroom. They didn't even have an outhouse. You had to go into the woods and squat.

    That was how I learned why women throughout the centuries wore skirts. They couldn't use flies, and they had to go to the bathroom in the woods.

    Going to the bathroom in the woods sure was complicated when I wore pants.

    But now that there is indoor plumbing, I don't much see the use in mandatory rules for skirts and dresses--although I probably wear skirts to work about 4 times a week in good weather.
     
  4. yatcup

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    Anyone know about the wonderfully charming and brilliant philosopher couple Peter Geach and Elizabeth Anscombe?

    If you do (or don't) and wanna hear an anecdote about Elizabeth regarding PANTS, let me know - I'll post it here.
     
  5. _Shannon_

    _Shannon_ Guest

    Reason number 10 is my favorite.

    That said, mostly I wear skirts, because I have yet to have the time to learn how to make alterations so that any pants at all actually fit me. Being 5'2" and having had 8 babies--I just have some hip to waist ratios that they just don't make pants for....

    Women should wear clothes they feel great in, and that don't make them look [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]. It's not rocket science.
     
  6. Michie

    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    Post it. :)
     
  7. JoabAnias

    JoabAnias Steward of proportionality- I Cor 13:1, 1 Tim 3:15 Supporter

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    One word:

    nuts. :p

    Otherwise -

    niqab ^_^
     
  8. yatcup

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    Peter Geach (who is ancient and living!) is a Catholic philosopher. He has been awarded the papal cross for his philosophical work. GEM Anscombe was his wife - also a philosopher of good standing - particularly in the field of ethics. She was also RC and she and Geach had 8 kids together, I think. Maybe 9. I cannot recall. Anscombe trounced C.S. Lewis a couple of times in debates, was hugely anti-abortion, and was about as feisty and fiery as a woman can be.

    Anyway, in the 1970s she visited the USA and went to some conferences at a famous university. Philosophers tend to be stubborn, outspoken, and male - its only in recent years that female philosophers have really increased in number.

    During a break in the conference, several professors and other scholars went to a very refined restaurant in NYC. The group went in and after a few minutes the maitre d' approached Anscombe and told her she would have to leave, because they could not have a woman who was wearing pants in their establishment. She was breaking their dress code. Woman cannot wear pants, the man insisted.

    The party was at a loss. They were embarrassed, angered, and perplexed. Anscombe took charge. She stood up and told the men to wait there, she would return in a moment. They probably thought she was going to go buy a dress. Instead, she marched outside, yanked off her trousers and marched back inside - tossing her pants at the appalled maitre d'.

    Eventually, the restaurant relented and returned her pants. POINT MADE! Score one for GEM Anscombe! *LOL*
     
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  9. Michie

    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    ^_^
     
  10. Victrixa

    Victrixa Dear Lord have mercy on me!

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    I don't know what the big deal is with pants for some regarding women. For a long time, both men and women have been wearing 'dresses'. Even in the 19th century little boys were dressed as little girls until a certain age, with dress and all...

    I don't understand the logic behind the no-pants policy for women. There isn't any, really.

    One thing though, women should be feminine whether they wear pants or dresses. Ladies should look like ladies and men as men... :wave:
     
  11. _Shannon_

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    That story totally rules!
     
  12. Antigone

    Antigone The Wrath of Whatever

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    As much as I love to wear pretty skirts and dresses, I think that pants are sometimes called for.

    Of course, this is coming from someone who thinks the Right to Jeans should be in the Geneva convention.
     
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    I am a woman who switched from skirt/dress to pants many years ago. My opinion is, that pants even are more modest than skirts and dresses. The reason is, that they don't show legs ! Since i started wearing pants, I don't need pantyhose anymore, it's just knee-high stockings, they are much more comfortable !
     
  14. WarriorAngel

    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    How come women need to wear dresses to be modest - but men can wear pants?

    I don't think pants existed for many centuries for either sex. So how come men aren't wearing robe type clothes to hide themselves?

    I mean is it ok for a woman to be modest so men don't lust - but what of the sins of women when they see men in pants?

    Who made these rules?
     
  15. Victrixa

    Victrixa Dear Lord have mercy on me!

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    Excellent comment! :thumbsup:
     
  16. Antigone

    Antigone The Wrath of Whatever

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    Exactly. Men in skirts aren't exactly a turn-on for me, but that doesn't mean I think men should wear skirts.

    It's the same thing that p*sses me off about burqas: women have to wear a potato sack because men are horny? Sheesh. Get a grip.
     
  17. Rebekka

    Rebekka meow meow meow meow meow meow

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    Not even a Scot in a kilt?
     
  18. Gwendolyn

    Gwendolyn trying to figure things out

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    Long skirts are horrible in the winter.

    They get sopping wet and dirty up to the knee, and they get really bad salt stains from the sidewalk/street salt, too.

    But if you wear a knee-length skirt, then half your legs freeze off in subzero temperatures (cotton/nylon tights don't make much of a difference when it comes to wind and windchill).

    At least if I wear denim or cordoroy (sp?), my whole legs are covered and they don't fall off as quickly.

    I spend a lot of time walking from point A to point B, even in the winter when it hits -30 degrees Celcius.
     
  19. WarriorAngel

    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    I find the whole 'cover your face' thing rather chauvenist and sick. But then, things i read, they are very disdainful of women to begin with... and i imagine women often stick their tongues out at them, or make faces behind them. :D

    I think if women should wear dresses, men should also wear long covering robes.
     
  20. Lady Bug

    Lady Bug Tired of fake Christians

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    dresses are better if you hate feeling bloated.

    pants are better if you have to go the potty. (sorry for TMI)
     
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