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The Global Flood as You've Never Seen It!

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by ondaball, Nov 29, 2007.

  1. ondaball

    ondaball Guest

    By Michael F. Haverluck

    CBNNews.com

    November 28, 2007


    CBNNews.com - Do creation and the Flood have science on their side or do evolutionists really have it all figured out?

    Skeptics find it hard to believe that the Earth's geological features and fossils were formed only about 5,000 years ago - not millions or billions.

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    WHAT DO YOU THINK?:

    Do fossils support creation?

    When confronted by scientific claims contradicting the Bible, many believers may want to know if there's a Flood theory out there that holds up to scrutiny in the classroom and science community - one that dismantles competing accounts.

    Director of the Center for Scientific Creation, Dr. Walt Brown challenges many of the accepted theories, while offering scientific evidence backing a global Flood and a young earth.

    He says evolutionists are unwilling to debate his scientific findings.

    Brown believes there should be no contradictions between faith and science because the Creator of the universe is also the God of science.

    Click on the video player for Dr. Brown's computer animation of the cataclysmic Flood through his presentation of the hydroplate theory.

    CBN News spoke with Dr. Brown, who holds a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

    A West Point graduate and tenured associate professor at the U.S. Air Force Academy, Dr. Brown taught physics, mathematics and computer science at the college level. He served as head of science and technology studies at the Air War College and was a National Science Foundation fellow.

    As a former evolutionist, Brown is devoted to equipping students from grade school to grad school on how to give convincing and scientific arguments for a global Flood, dispelling the evolutionary myth that the Earth was formed billions of years ago.

    A Biblically and Scientifically Accurate Flood

    Brown says it's unfortunate that many creation science accounts of the Flood and the formation of the Earth are unscientific, relying on faith in areas they haven't scientifically explained -- with some using evolutionary processes, such as plate tectonics, "sped up a million fold by miracles."

    Many doubt worldwide Flood accounts, questioning how water could possibly cover mountains tens of thousands of feet high.

    Brown describes the pre-flood Earth as being one with oceans that were half their present volume and with considerably shorter mountains.

    "If the solid earth were perfectly smooth, water depth would be 9,000 feet everywhere," says Brown, author of In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood. "Therefore, the flooded earth has enough water to cover the smaller mountains that existed before the Flood."

    A major problem with many Flood theories lies with their explanation of where all the water came from and where it went, argues Brown.

    He points to Genesis 7:11-12 to reveal the source of the floodwaters: "In the 600th year of Noah's life, on the 17th day of the second month - on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the Earth 40 days and 40 nights."

    According to Brown, the account from Genesis 1:6 -7 is also vital to understanding the Flood, which says underground waters were set in place on the second day of creation, "And God said, 'Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.' So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it."

    Brown says that the Earth's crust is the expanse separating the surface water from the subterranean water that burst forth during Noah's Flood.

    "About half the water now in the oceans was once in interconnected chambers about 10 miles below the earth's surface," Brown says. "Granite crust was above the water and basaltic rock below."

    Brown backs up his claims with an illustration of the Earth before the buckling, mountain-forming after-effects of the Flood.

    "Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas were joined across what is now the Atlantic Ocean," he explains.

    "On the crust were seas, both deep and shallow, and mountains, generally smaller than those of today, but some perhaps 5,000 feet high."

    If oceans of water really existed beneath the Earth's crust, is some water still trapped there?

    Earthquakes, which triggered rapid effects in the thin crustal areas of lakes thousands of miles away from their epicenters, are evidence of underground water channels transmitting the shockwaves, says Brown. Such activity needs a conductor such as water and would not be possible through solid rock.

    The Hydroplate Theory Unleashes Earth-shattering Evidence

    Dr. Brown's Hydroplate Theory sets out to methodically and scientifically provide evidence for the Flood, a young Earth and the processes that formed the geologic features we see today.

    Here's his take on how it all began: "Increasing pressure within the subterranean water caused a crack that ripped through 10 miles of the earth's crust," explains Brown. "The rupture wrapped around the globe like a seam of a baseball in 2-3 hours."

    Brown says the aftermath and exact route of this violent outburst of water and eroded rock can be seen in the 46,000-mile-long underwater mountain range known as the Mid-Oceanic Ridge, which was discovered in the 1950s.

    It runs down the middle of the Atlantic, dips south of Africa and Australia, and veers north about 2,000 miles off the west coast of South America until it disappears under North America from Baja California up through Alaska before reemerging in the Arctic and down through Iceland.

    According to Brown's calculations, the enormity of the eruption was greater than what most could imagine, as "the energy release of this event exceeds that of an explosion of 300 trillion hydrogen bombs."

    He credits the release with forming major geologic features.

    "The center of the concentration of the world's deepest ocean trenches found in the Pacific is virtually the exact opposite side of the globe from the center of the Atlantic," he says.

    Brown explains that the outburst from the Atlantic caused suction on the other side of the Earth, which pulled the Pacific floor down to a depth lower than any other region on earth.

    He notes that inward buckling of the Pacific would naturally occur if there were a massive pressure release on the Earth's opposite side.

    Brown says that as the Earth tried to regain its spherical shape after the massive water release, "the most exposed portion of the subterranean chamber floor suddenly rose almost 10 miles to become the Atlantic floor, causing the Pacific Ocean's floor to subside and buckle inward, producing folds, called oceanic trenches."

    He confirms his findings with other scientific measurements and discoveries.

    Evidence of the pressure release and drop of the Pacific Rim is still witnessed today, says Brown, by the region's instability and the tens of thousands of volcanoes that formed in what is now known as the Ring of Fire, where 90 percent of the world's earthquakes occur.

    But the ocean floor wasn't the only thing that dropped during the flood.

    The rainfall Noah experienced was no ordinary downpour.

    "Fountains of water jetted supersonically into and far above the atmosphere," continues Brown. "Water not escaping the atmosphere caused rain like the Earth has never seen, and some water froze and fell back down in the form of -150-degree Fahrenheit muddy hail, which buried and froze the mammoths in minutes."

    He notes that the documented composition, spin, density, size, number, texture, and orbital characteristics of many cosmic bodies in our solar system also provide evidence of the cataclysmic blast.

    After 40 days, the fountains of the great deep stopped.

    "At the end of the rupture phase, the 400-mile eroded and elongated spout had pushed the crust up on both sides," Brown continues.

    "With water still trapped beneath the plates, they slid down either side, pushing continents apart and buckling upon their collision with other land masses or when water beneath depleted."

    Brown likens this event to railway cars rolling down both sides of a track that is lifted at the center. Once they ran out of track or met with stationary objects, they would slow down, crumple, and jackknife.

    This compression event is attributed with forming mountain ranges, plateaus, the jigsaw fit of the continents and many other geological phenomena.

    Brown emphasizes that the Earth's major mountain ranges tend to run parallel to the rupture, which pushed Europe and Africa away from North and South America.

    Because of the imbalance caused by the up-thrust of the Himalayan Mountain Range, the Earth rolled 35-45 degrees, explaining why animals and vegetation from warm climates are buried in today's polar regions, Brown asserts.

    Research and Discoveries Support the Hydroplate Theory

    Brown says that only a global Flood could cause the massive rapid burial and fossilization of the dinosaurs - not an asteroid or comet collision claimed by many evolutionists.

    The similar mass and density of fossils found in geologic layers are evidence of a flood sorting and burying dinosaurs thousands of years ago - not of periodic extinctions taking place over millions of years, he argues.

    Brown states that DNA and soft bone tissue discovered in dinosaurs could not be preserved for more than thousands of years.

    He says that these problems, along with inaccurate and doctored readings from dating techniques of rocks and fossils, put the millions-of-years-old claims by evolutionists in danger of extinction themselves.

    He points out that rapid erosion from the breach of post-flood bodies of water carved many natural wonders, including the Grand Canyon, Strait of Gibraltar and the channel under the Golden Gate in a matter of weeks - not millions of years.


    For a brief, yet in-detail explanation of the Hydroplate Theory, read The Fountains of the Great Deep.

    When did this all happen? Using Bible genealogies and scientific calculations, Brown estimates that the Noahic Flood took place at around 3000 B.C., with creation occurring about 2,000 years earlier.

    Competing Flood Theories

    Not all creationists agree on the mechanism that triggered the Flood.

    The Institute for Creation Research and Answers in Genesis ascribe to the Catastrophic Plate Tectonics Theory as the mechanism that brought about the Flood.

    ICR claims that geysers and a rising ocean floor generated the flood waters, while continental plates dove into the earth's mantle. Dr. Brown has analyzed this theory and lists 15 reasons why this model cannot work.

    He does the calculations disproving plate tectonics, showing that 30- to 60-mile-thick plates could not possibly dive into the mantle.

    The Canopy Theory claims that a 40-foot layer of water surrounded the earth's atmosphere before falling down to earth and creating the Flood.

    Brown explains why this is scientifically flawed and biblically inaccurate and shows why its release couldn't generate a global flood.

    Click here to find out why...


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  2. Blayz

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    It's been a long, hard day, Ondaball, so thanks for the laugh. THis kind of incoherent nonsense reminds me of Monty Python at their absurdist best. I especially liked the title "The Global Flood as you have never seen it", as opposed I guess to the global flood I actually have seen.
     
  3. FishFace

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    Do you have an opinion? Present that, don't just copy and paste what someone else has said. We want to debate you - because you're here. We can't debate whoever wrote the article.
    If you want to use articles, then you should (and so should we) present your opinion, a summary of the evidence, and a link to an article that verifies your evidence.

    For example, I often mention the Nylon Bug, saying, perhaps:

    The Nylon Bug shows that completely novel features can evolve in nature - it evolved an enzyme which could digest nylon. This article has more information and sources.

    This makes it a debate, not just you copying what someone else said.
     
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  4. Frumious Bandersnatch

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    Walt Brown's goofy flood model is so silly he couldn't even get it published in creationist journals. Glenn Morton discusses just a few of the many flaws in Walt's nonsense HERE.
     
  5. Frumious Bandersnatch

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    Of course these people can't all be right but they can all be wrong and they are because there was no global flood.
     
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    In Living Technicolor! Starring Charlton Heston As God, Morgan Freeman As Noah And A Cast Of Thousands! Coming Soon To A Cinema Near You!
     
  7. Frumious Bandersnatch

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    No Morgan Freeman always gets to play God these days at least since George Burns died.
     
  8. Bombila

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    That's a fantasy, ondaball. Makes no sense whatsoever, does not explain anything coherently, and just evidences your ability to believe anything you read, regardless of real science, that a creationist tells you. Go read Glenn Morton's posts, which he wrote himself, and see what a real scientist has to say.

    Your inability to argue any of this nonsense in your own words indicates you may not understand it yourself. Possibly you should read a few books that weren't written to refute reality.
     
  9. ranmaonehalf

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    i snorted at "scientific" creationism.
     
  10. atomweaver

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    Did some sort of "PRATT Generator" Java script write the OP?
     
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    Aye Aye Spam for tea.

    Can I just second Fishface.

    If you want to debate pick a point, write out you argument in your own words and post links to back up your claims.

    Don't bother just spamming the board with a load of links you haven't read, it is pointless.
     
  12. Molal

    Molal Nemo Me Impune Lacessit Supporter

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    Fantastic - had a good laugh.

    Blayz - we could create a great monty python sketch from this gibberish.
     
  13. Frumious Bandersnatch

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    You ain't seen nothin yet. Don't forget Liquefaction if you really want a hoot.

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    Figure 56: Flood Phase. Sediments in the escaping water increased until their volume nearly equaled the volume of water gushing out. These suspended particles quickly settled and buried plants and animals in a chaotic mixture. During this phase, a phenomenon called liquefaction sorted sediments, animals, and plants into horizontal layers that are more uniform and cover a much larger area than sedimentary layers laid down today. Traces of these dead organisms are called fossils. Global liquefaction is explained on pages 162–173.


    I am sure you can work that one into a great Monty Python type sketch.
     
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    Molal Nemo Me Impune Lacessit Supporter

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    Global liquefaction? ROFL

    That is so spectacularly wrong.
     
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    ^_^^_^^_^^_^

    I think this is the best response ever. Would you mind if I quote you in my signature?
     
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    Feel free, and I'm glad to give you a laugh. :) Being but a lowly chemist, I'm no code-bender, but I'd be willing to bet that someone out there could actually make such a script, too... Random character strings generated off of retrievals from a selection of creationist websites, or some such.
     
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    My feeling is that given a higher pressure in the atmosphere due to a ice crystal canopy would counteract such supposed problems. The reality is that there are indications that "mountains" did not exist prior to the FLOOD. The Bible calls them high hills, though some translations read mountains. It is likely that the mountains seen today were memorial monuments to Noah and his family of the severity of the FLOOD.... The research simply is not there yet. And those who could do such are far too interesed in EVOLUTION.
     
  18. Frumious Bandersnatch

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    An ice crystal canopy? Was this ice crystal canopy in space? What held it in place? Have you ever heard of sublimation? Do you know what freeze-drying is? Even if this "ice crystal canopy could exist why wouldn't the ice crystal scatter and reflect away the sun's light leaving the earth to freeze? None of the vapor canopy ideas work at all. Even the so-called creation scientists realize this.

    The reality is that there never was a global flood.
    Now there is an amazing bit of nonsense. The mountains of earth are memorial monuments the Noah. Wow! Are you trying to take over for Dad?

    But what I find really amusing is that the same creatonists who say there were no significant mountains before the flood will respond to questions about fossil sorting by claiming that some animals either lived at different elevations or escaped to higher ground faster than others to sort fossils through several thousand feet of sedimentary deposits. How did that work without mountains?
     
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    What hold the ozone in space? I don't know. No experimentation has been done by anyone.
     
  20. Frumious Bandersnatch

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    Ozone is a gas. It is generated in the statosphere and is there in the range parts per million compared to other atmospheric gases. In case you don't know there is a pretty big difference between an ice crystal and a gas. Ice crystals do form at tops of cirrus clouds which reach into the upper troposphere or lower stratosphere but an ice crystal "canopy" just won't work as source of water for a global flood.
     
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