I think the problem comes from deducing more than 2:7 is saying. God formed a body out of dust. That body was complete with all the tissues and organs of a dead body, including brain, lungs. When God breathed 'his spirit into man' I don't think it was O2 he blew into him, I think it was spirit. That spirit elicited life and with that life man drew his first breath of 'air/O2'. At that point his brain/soul started functioning also. The reason Adam's soul subsequently "BECAME a living soul" is because Adam was obedient to God from that point on.
His soul became a 'dying soul'the minute he ate of the tree of good and evil. But his soul did not instantly die, nor did his physical breath expire at the instant he ate. No more than he became a spiritually "living soul" the instant he drew a functioning breath physically. The terminology "shall surely die"was used many times without an immediate death. Indeed the Young's literal translation elucidates the Hebraism of these terms and the progressiveness of a
dying soullike this;
Genesis 2:17and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -
dying thou dost die.'
IOW the "thou shalt surely die" means your soul will receive a 'death sentence' that ends in unavoidable death.
JAM 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and
sinwhen it is full-grownbrings forth death.
When Jesus yielded his spirit he died, then he breathed his last breath of air.
Luke 23:46Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands
I commit my spirit!" And
having said thishe breathed his last.
I haven't deduced more than the passage is saying. I have submitted that God formed them man from the dust of the earth, breathed into him the breath/spirit of life and man became a living soul. That's what the passage says. I haven't suggested that God breathed air into Adam but rather something from Himself. Whether it is literal of a word picture it suggests that something came out of God and went into the man and the man became a living soul. We read in the Scriptures that "God is breath". He put the breath of life into man and man became a living soul. It seems then that the breath or spirit that is in man is not man but rather something of God. That goes back to my point about the phrase "my spirit" referring to possession and not identity.
I have to disagree with you about Adam. We read in the Scriptures that God told Adam that in the day he ate of the tree of knowledge he would surely die. It is both an ancient Jewish and early Christian understanding that Adam did in fact die the day he ate from the tree of knowledge. They understood that the "day" was a prophetic day. Davids said in the Psalms.
4 For a thousand years in thy sight
are but as yesterday when it is past, and
as a watch in the night. (Ps. 90:4 KJV)
Peter also alludes to this when asked about the delay in the Lord's return.
I know that this is a very 'debatable' topic for that reason.
The topic seems pretty clear to me when all of the evidence is considered.
Yes I do. The spirit can never die, that's the equivalent of shooting Casper the ghost IMO. All spirits are eternal, and when one dies their "spirit returns to God."
ECC 12:7 Then shall thedust (body)returnto the earthas it was: and thespiritshallreturn unto Godwho gave it.
I believe the soul enters soul sleep even as Jesus spoke of Lazarus 'sleeping' after his spirit departed his body and he had died physically.But when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead,he didn't resurrect his soul he awakened it, after his spirit returned ressurecting his body, just like when Jesus raised the maiden.
LUK 8:55 Andherspirit came again, and she arosestraightway:
However Jesus plainly stated that Lazarus was dead. However, according to Gen 2:7, a soul consists of a body and the breath of life. If that breath returns to the Lord, how does a soul continue to exist?
I disagree also that spirits are eternal. Paul said that the Father alone has immortality.
The air in his lungs went to heaven?
No, His life. The breath of life that gave Him life.
2CO 5:1 For we know that if
the earthly tent we live inis destroyed,
2CO 5:2
Here indeed we groan, and long to put on our heavenly dwelling, (glorified body)
3 so that by putting it on we may not be found
naked.
4 For
while we are still in this tent, we sigh with anxiety; not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed,
so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.
I am aspiritI have asouland I live in abody.
This passage addresses two different states of being. One is corruptible and the other incorruptible. The earthly tent is corruptible the heavenly isn't. Actually, in this passage Paul states the opposite of what most Christians claim of this passage. Notice that Paul doesn't want to be found naked. He equates that to without a body. Notice that he doesn't want to be unclothed but rather overclothed so that mortality may be swallowed up by life. IOW, mortality may be swallowed up by immortality.
You said, "I am a spirit." I would submit that that is not taught in Scripture, but is rather an idea from Greek philosophy. If you are a spirit, then the soul and the body aren't you.
1CO 14:14 For ifI pray in a tongue, my spirit praysbut my mind is unfruitful.
Not sure how this proves it. I speak English and pray in English, that doesn't mean that English is a special prayer language. If Paul prays in a tongue, say one spoken in North Africa that doesn't make it a special prayer language.
1CO 14:4 He whospeaks in a tongueedifies himself,One must understand the context of this"speaks in a tongue"realizing it is prayer tongues one isspeaking.
I think you're misunderstanding the passage. Remember in this letter Paul is chewing out the Corinthians for the very reason of self edification. He's rebuking them for their pride. He said they were "puffed up". Earlier in the letter he chastised them for boasting about who their teacher was. Some said they were of Cephas etc. This letter is a rebuke of the Corinthians for edifying themselves one over another.
Your soul doesn't but your spirit does. Your soul/mind can know, if you then pray, in English, for an interpretation to your soul/mind
1CO 14:13 Wherefore let him thatspeaketh (spirit praying) in an unknown tonguepray (in English) that he may interpret.
One does this so they can not only beedified in spiritbut now also in the soul with an English interpretation which will make theirmind fruitful.
Shorter posts PLEASE, smaller bites are easier to chew. .
Earlier you said, "I am a spirit". If that is the case then you should know what you pray in a tongue. You said, "Your soul doesn't." The soul is the whole being, or one's life. The way you're using soul doesn't seem to align with either of these meanings.
It seems to me that you're equivocating with the word spirit. Can you define what you mean by the word spirit? In the Scriptures the Hebrew words Neshemah and Ruach and the Greek word pnuema mean wind or breath. There is a figurative use of these words a spirit.
I agree that the posts can get unwieldy so if you only want to address part of the post I understand.
No, I said amen, but I was always curious what the heck he prayed.
