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The debacle that is the obama presidency...

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by GQ Chris, Sep 27, 2010.

  1. EdwinWillers

    EdwinWillers Buh bye!

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    LOL - you got me there. :)

    But the rejoinder to that is obvious too - the socialists in the Obama admin (thanks for acknowledging them btw :p) simply cannot help themselves when it comes to spending. It's 100% safe to say we will NEVER have to worry about the 'spending' variable going to zero under this [socialist] or any other administration. The temptation is just too strong and the power it affords too great.
     
  2. Nathan45

    Nathan45 Guest

    That was a joke, they're hardly socialists. The Obama Admin wants to cut food stamps and social security and funnel the money (and a lot of other money) to bankers and war profiteers. Call it piracy, but don't confuse it with socialism.
     
  3. mcswan

    mcswan Regular Member

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    Anyone here trying to make the case that Obama's administration has not been the most irresponsible in history is fooling no one but himself. The only way to save the U.S. from default or hyper inflation is to drastically reduce spending and debt, and the only way to do that is to get the Democrats OUT OF OFFICE!!!!


    Finally, Some Hope - WSJ.com


    "How big has the government grown under the Obama administration? "The average level of U.S. government spending as a percentage of GDP from the end of World War II to the present is 19.6 percent," observes the Heritage Foundation. "In the past two years that level has exploded, reaching 24.7 percent in 2009 and an estimated 25.4 in 2010. . . . Without urgent action the U.S. is on course for national bankruptcy."

    "So as Heritage says, the first urgent action is to get government spending under control, something that the current administration has almost no interest in."

    "The next task is to offer concrete plans and proposals to lead our nation to surer economic footing and more job opportunities. As Douglas Schoen and Heather Higgins showed last week in The Wall Street Journal independents want Congress to "decrease the size and scope of government, cut spending and taxes, balance the budget, reduce the federal debt, reduce the power of special interests and unions, repeal and replace the health care legislation, and decrease partisanship." Those are not only good, substantive policies, but come January they will become the challenges for the new Congress, which is very likely to be led by the GOP, since independents in the Schoen-Higgins poll favor Republicans over Democrats by 22 points."
     
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  4. lordbt

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    You are assuming that socialists are always benevolent and generous. They are only that way while milking the capitalist cow. Once the milk runs dry, the socialists are forced to reveal how the morality of sacrifice really works--who gets sacrificed to whom and who gets to decide. Thats when the fun begins.
     
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  5. EdwinWillers

    EdwinWillers Buh bye!

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    Yeah, I realize you were joking, hence the razzie.

    Still.... well, no point in getting into another argument about socialism...
     
  6. GQ Chris

    GQ Chris Beer and Glory

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    OBAMA LIES:

    *Remove all combat troops from Iraq in 16 months - FAIL
    *Closing of GITMO in 1st Year of presidency - FAIL
    *Create 5 million Green Jobs - NONE created - FAIL
    *Said no former Lobbyist will work on contracts in the Obama Administration - FAIL
    *Restrict Warrantless Wiretaps - he promised but has done nothing - FAIL
    *Transparency - promised 72 hour posting of laws before HE SIGNED them - FAIL
    *TRILLION Stimulus JOB Plan - FAIL
    *Said unemployment rate would go no higher than 8% - FAIL
    *Tripled National debt after saying he would not add one dime - FAIL
    *Bi-Partisanship - said he would cross party lines, instead calls them names - FAIL
    *Demands Pay/Go only to sign the Unemployment Bill unfunded - FAIL
    *Said Obamacare would cover every child but it doesn't - FAIL
    *GULF Coast Support - tells everyone to go there for vacation while he goes to Maine for his - FAIL
    *Housing Market - 40 Billion Mortgage Plan to save homeowners - FAIL
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    OBAMA ACTS of STUPIDITY:
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    *Russian Spy Swap - gives Russia 6 spies and the US gets 2 - FAIL
    *Prosecution of 9-11 Terrorists - wants their trials at ground zero - FAIL
    *Olympics for USA - goes to Copenhagen and gets the US out of the 1st round - FAIL
    *Race Relations - calls a white cop stupid then has a beer - FAIL
    *Tennessee Flood Disaster Response - no response - FAIL
    *Delayed GULF OIL Leak Response - did nothing but golf & blame BP - FAIL
    *Border Security - sues a state trying to protect its border – Fail
    *Response to Michigan OIL Spill - no response - FAIL
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    OBAMA WORLD STAGE FAILURES:
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    *G20 Summit - tells them to keep spending money - they laugh at him - FAIL
    *Afghanistan -Top US General Resigns over Obama's plan for US defeat - FAIL
    *European Missile Defense - scraps program for the Russians, gets nothing - FAIL
    *Bowing to 3rd World Leaders & making excuses for America’s existence - Fail
    *Haiti Response - gave 1 week of effort never to be heard of again - Fail
    *Mexico Border - drug war along the border & he has made no trips - FAIL
    *North Korea – He was laughed at & taunted - FAIL
    *Global Climate Change Consensus - He lead but nobody followed - FAIL

    EXPOSING THE LEFTIST PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT MEDIA !!!!
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    Obama, in his book, said he was mentored as a youth by Frank Marshall Davis an avowed Communist… THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DIDN’T MATTER……
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    When it was discovered that his grandparents were socialists who sent Obama's mother to a socialist school where she was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis & he was later introduced to young Barrack Hussein Obama… THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DID NOT MATTER…..
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    When people found out that Barrack Hussein Obama was enrolled as a Muslim child in school & his father & stepfather were both Muslims… THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DID NOT MATTER…..
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    When he wrote in another book he authored "I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction… THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DID NOT MATTER…..
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    When he admittedly, in his book, said he chose Marxist friends & professors in college.
    THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DIDN’T MATTER…..
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    When he traveled to Pakistan, after college on an unknown national passport..
    THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DID NOT MATTER…..
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    When he sought the endorsement of the Marxist Party in 1996 as he ran for the Illinois Senate… THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DID NOT MATTER…..
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    When he sat in a Chicago Church for twenty years & listened to a preacher spew hatred for America & preach black liberation theology... THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DID NOT MATTER…..
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    When an independent Washington organization that tracks Senate voting records gave him the distinctive title as the "most liberal senator…” THE LAP DOG MEDIA SAID IT DIDN’T MATTER…
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  7. just out of curiousity, who was the last republican president you'd consider to be a responsible government spender?
     
  8. mcswan

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    Calvin Coolidge.

    President Calvin Coolidge

    "Coolidge's first task was to clear up the mess left by President Harding. Here he was notably successful. Democratic Governor of New York and future Democratic presidential candidate, Alfred E. Smith wrote, Coolidge was "distinguished for character more than for heroic achievement. His great task was to restore the dignity and prestige of the Presidency when it had reached the lowest ebb in our history ... in a time of extravagance and waste...."

    "There is a tendency among some historians to describe the free market economy of the 1920s and capitalism in general as somehow flawed and responsible for the Great Depression. Now it is certainly true that capitalism is prone to periodic booms and recession. And it also true that capitalism, to function properly, needs government regulation to ensure a fair market place and the stability of financial institutions. And there was inadequate regulation of corporations and banks before the Depression. Income was not well distributed. What far too many historians and economists fail to point out, however, is that Government action following the Stock Market Crash (October 1929), turned what was an ordinary recession into the Great Depression. Thus it was faulty governmental action that was the main cause of the Great Depression."

    It's worth reading his thoughts on the Declaration of Independence. Speech on the Occasion of the One Hundred and Fiftieth Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence by Calvin Coolidge

    "No other theory is adequate to explain or comprehend the Declaration of Independence. It is the product of the spiritual insight of the people. We live in an age of science and of abounding accumulation of material things. These did not create our Declaration. Our Declaration created them. The things of the spirit come first. Unless we cling to that, all our material prosperity, overwhelming though it may appear, will turn to a barren sceptre in our grasp. If we are to maintain the great heritage which has been bequeathed to us, we must be like-minded as the fathers who created it. We must not sink into a pagan materialism. We must cultivate the reverence which they had for the things that are holy. We must follow the spiritual and moral leadership which they showed. We must keep replenished, that they may glow with a more compelling flame, the altar fires before which they worshiped. "
     
  9. Pommer

    Pommer Ex- Satinist now Muslin

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  10. mcswan

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    OK, you got me laughing. What in the heck are you are you talking about?:confused:
     
  11. Pommer

    Pommer Ex- Satinist now Muslin

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    "n/m" is internet shorthand for "nevermind"...I had reservations about what I had posted after I FAILed to excerise prior restraint (and simply not posted), I axed the post but left the "n/m" since I cannot simply delete the entire post.

    P
     
  12. mcswan

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    Gotcha!:) I have personal experience with exercising poor restraint brother.
     
  13. DuneSoldier

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    I'll agree with you on most of these things, but I would call most of them FAILS rather than lies. You can't really be bipartisan if the other side doesn't want to play.

    The only one I think of as a failure is the Mexican Border. Which puts him par for the course as far as the border goes.

    Most of those things don't matter. One's a positive to half the voters of the country.
     
  14. Archaeopteryx

    Archaeopteryx Wanderer

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    That's right, it doesn't matter. It's a guilt-by-association fallacy.

    Guilt-by-association fallacy...

    It doesn't matter.

    That does matter, but it matters only to the extent that we know what Obama actually means by that. Do we know or are we merely conjecturing?

    Guilt-by-association fallacy.

    When devout Socialists came forward and unequivocally stated that Obama was not one of their comrades, the Right said it did not matter, they were still going to call him one regardless.
     
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    Well, since the goal of socialists is the destruction of human liberty, the obliteration of capitalism, and the enslavement of mankind, there is no reason to believe that they would allow truth to stand in their way.
     
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    This is called the wag-the-other-dog's-tail illusion.
     
  17. Archaeopteryx

    Archaeopteryx Wanderer

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    double post.
     
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    Seems an odd goal. Perhaps you have confused socialists with the evil league of evil?

    [​IMG]
     
  19. lordbt

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    ELE. I like that. I will have to keep that in mind for a future screen name.:)
     
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