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The Bow of The Rider of Revelation

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by 1whirlwind, Oct 14, 2010.

  1. 1whirlwind

    1whirlwind Senior Member

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    English is a funny language. One word can mean many things, or at least a few things. For instance, the word "bow." It can mean to bow down before the Lord. It would mean a bow in a girl's hair. It could mean a battle weapon, or tool with which to hunt or...it could mean an arc, including a colorful, pastel...arc in the sky. A rainbow. So, when we read.....

    Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    ....we should question which bow is meant for it is a clue as to the identity of the rider on the white horse. We know it isn't one worn in his hair, or to hunt with, or to bow down but...is it a weapon or an arc, a rainbow? It is vital to understand for it is part of how he conquers! So, we go to the Strong's Concordance for the definition:

    Bow #5115 ~ toxon, a bow (as the simplest fabric): from the base of #5088 - tikto, a strengthened form of a primary; to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth) lit. or fig. - bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail.
    The bow this rider has is a fabric bow and is associated with "delivered, travail." That makes me think of......

    Revelation 12:2-4 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
    Are they connected? Yes, they are. The dragon is the first rider on the white horse with a bow...a fake rainbow. Why is it termed "bow" instead of "rain-bow?" He used the same term, "bow," for the first rainbow...or did He, is that what He is teaching? Is He telling us that the bow He set in the cloud is a rainbow or is Satan, for Satan is His servant and as such would be His "bow," a cheap fabric imitation...

    Genesis 9:13-14 I do set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between Me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

    The reason I question that is two-fold. The makeup of a literal rainbow is water and sun. Those were both around before Noah's flood. Is He speaking of a rainbow or the bow of Satan that "shall be seen in the cloud?" The "deceitful bow." And two,...this covenant was between God and the earth...not between He and His children but the earth.


    Hosea 7:13,16 Woe unto them! for they have fled from Me: destruction unto them! because they have transgressed against Me: though I have redeemed them, yet they have spoken lies against Me. (16) They return, but not to the most High: they are like a deceitful bow: their princes shall fall by the sword for the rage of their tongue: this shall be their derision in the land of Egypt.
    The true rainbow is of our Savior....

    Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

    Revelation 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon His head, and His face was as it were the sun, and His feet as pillars of fire:
    The difference in bow and rainbow? One is missing rain.

    Jude 12-13 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    Zechariah 10:1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

    Those that receive the latter rain are standing under the true bow. The rider on the first horse "had a bow." Which one is it?


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  2. trialbyfire

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    Rev 6:2And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev6.pdf
    Greek Interlinear


    The Greek words "toxon" and "Nikon/Nikese" are what you are hinging your "rainbow" interpretation on.


    Toxon = "bow" for shooting arrows

    Nikon/Nikese = "Victory"

    There is no Biblical reason to assume the 1st seal rider is the antichrist - none. There is nothing described as evil about him.



     
  3. 1whirlwind

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    You are in error, as is the Lexicon you name if part of their definition was "bow for shooting arrows." But, believe as you wish. :)


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    You think skittles will have anything to do with it?
     
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    What did this passage mean to the Christians of the first century? The book of Revelation is a book of contrasts. The bride and the harlot, the gentle lamb and the beast, Jerusalem and Babylon. The real and false prophet, etc.

    The white horses of Revelation is another contrast. Rev 19:11 is very obviously Jesus. The white horse of Rev 6:2 is a contrasting horse. The four horses represent life as it would be over the Roman occupation. And from history we see that it continues to this day.

    The late Sir William Ramsay was an expert in Biblical Archaeology and writings of the New Testament. He said that any first century Christian would immediately connect the conqueror with the bow to the Parthians. The Parthian kings did ride white horses and were in John's day the fiercest fighting force in existence. Rome lost to them repeatedly and could not stand up against this army of archers. The "turtle" formation of the Romans with their shields was little protection from the Parthians with their arrows and fast Arabian horses. Rome and Parthia were conquerors and that is what John is symbolically alluding to - death and destruction via warfare.

    Ever hear of the Parthian shot? One of their tricks was to flee their enemies and then to turn around in the saddle and shoot 180 degrees behind them - with accuracy. They traveled with wagons of quivers full of arrows. The Roman forces were basically ground forces with a cavalry attached. No match in open warfare.

    Once you understand what Revelation meant to the first century Christians then you can trace its principles all through history. In the 20th century an estimated 180,000,000 people died in wars alone. The number is commensurate with the world's growing population. The four horsemen still ride today and will until the Second Coming of jesus.

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    Okay...you lost me. You got some 'splaining to do. :confused:


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    No one has ever conquered with any other bow but a bow and arrow. At the second coming of Christ in 312 AD, on the day when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds (see Mat. 24:30), St. Constantine (after Jesus appeared to him) rode onto the scene riding a white horse and, carrying a bow, he conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and the Church. Known as the turning point in history, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth ever since, and they will be to the end. We are the new chosen people, through which Jesus rules the earth.
     
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    I can taste it.
     
  12. CryptoLutheran

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    Wouldn't it make more sense that the four riders have their own symbolism?

    First is Conquest
    Second is War
    Third is Disease and Famine
    Fourth is Death

    Why would the the last three be symbolic of things like war, disease and death, but the first be anything other than similarly symbolic?

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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    Makes sense to me. God is telling the Christians of the Roman occupation that this is how things are going to be and that it will be normal - so don't be dismayed when you see it happen. The book of Revelation was written as a comfort to the early Christians who were undergoing severe persecution in their day and it still is a comfort to all who read this book. Well, except for Futurists who still await its fulfillment - they miss the complete message of the book as they think it is yet to come and that they will be rescued from any persecution and martyrdom. This is despite the fact that over 70,000,000 christians have died for their faith since the time of Steven. Somehow today they are so special that they will be spared any discomfort at all.

    Today we can look back in history and see that the principles of the four horsemen have always been in operation. Adolf Hitler is responsible for an estimated 29,000,000 lives in WWII. They died mostly under the hoofs of the four horses of the Apocalypse. Like you said...

    Conquest
    War
    Disease and Famine
    Death
     
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    The Greek word Toxon is found in many English words that we use. Toxic, Toxin, Toxicology. At it's root, it is referring to "arrow", as in "bow and arrow".
     
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    5115
    toxon
    toxon
    tox'-on
    from the base of tiktw - tikto 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric):--bow.


    by the way, the BOW is NOT stated to be in the rider's hand!
     
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    Most historians must have missed the second coming of Christ.....WHEN ALL EYES WILL SEE THE COMING OF THE LORD. Where in the world did this nonsense come from and what supposed church teaches such?

    The sign Constantine claims to have seen was the Chi Ro which is a pagan sun symbol. Constantine was not a Christian and was in fact the high priest in the cult of Sol Invictus (invincible sun). In case you don't understand what that is insert Satan.

    In 321 Constantine changed the worship day which was the Sabath to the "Venerable day of the Sun" Constantines SUPPOSED conversion came on his death bed in 337.