The Beast is creeping into my kid's school!

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Willful ignorance! Your ignorance speaks for itself. I have no need of saying more.

What are you talking about?... They look so happy.... Communism is a good thing.

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No, seriously, what is wrong with teaching children communism? If you teach them communism along with capitalism, surely the more righteous economic system will win out in the end, no? What is your justification for only presenting one side of the issue?
 
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Yeah, family, a few friends, people I work with. I've even recently come to realize that I love watching people going about just doing their daily work ... (weird, huh?)


1 Peter 1:
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

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No, seriously, what is wrong with teaching children communism? If you teach them communism along with capitalism, surely the more righteous economic system will win out in the end, no? What is your justification for only presenting one side of the issue?
Seriously?

You're right. They should be taught about communism. The TRUTH about communism. The truth is that communism ENSLAVES people. Communism requires a totalitarian structure which ensures that freedom cannot ever result. Because many realize the pitfalls of communism, "indoctrination" and execution are always required in order to implement a communist system.

Communism is quite simply anti-Christ. I won't even get into the idealogy involving religion in relation to communism ...

One other thing - the whole reason for Jen's rant to begin with, the insidiously deceptive de-sensitization and indoctrination practices ...

GOOD vs EVIL -- Choose wisely, laconicstudent.
Not choosing, is a choice ...
 
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Capitalism, which reduces people to commodities by putting a price tag on them, is a wonderful system and in line with Jesus' teaching; whereas communism, which entails common ownership of the means of production, is pure evil.:doh:

Besides, do Christians have a moral right to accuse others of violating human rights and freedoms ... considering inquisitions, witch-hunting and all those 'glorious' events in their history?
 
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Capitalism, which reduces people to commodities by putting a price tag on them, is a wonderful system and in line with Jesus' teaching; whereas communism, which entails common ownership of the means of production, is pure evil.:doh:
Sarcasm will do you little good on this one ...

Capitalism is not the opposite of communism. Freedom is. The communist Chinese love capitalism. Freedom, not so much ...

Now, if you were attempting to criticize this country, then I'm sure we'd agree on quite a bit ...
 
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Besides, do Christians have a moral right to accuse others of violating human rights and freedoms ... considering inquisitions, witch-hunting and all those 'glorious' events in their history?
Nope!

One needs to clean up one's own act first ...

But, the OP was not reaching out to condemn the communist Chinese, rather it was protesting the fact that the communist Chinese were insidiously indoctrinating children within this country. Big difference! Try doing that in China and see how long you survive (literally).
 
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Seriously?

You're right. They should be taught about communism. The TRUTH about communism. The truth is that communism ENSLAVES people. Communism requires a totalitarian structure which ensures that freedom cannot ever result. Because many realize the pitfalls of communism, "indoctrination" and execution are always required in order to implement a communist system.

Communism is quite simply anti-Christ. I won't even get into the idealogy involving religion in relation to communism ...

One other thing - the whole reason for Jen's rant to begin with, the insidiously deceptive de-sensitization and indoctrination practices ...

GOOD vs EVIL -- Choose wisely, laconicstudent.
Not choosing, is a choice ...

Don't be silly. Communism and Capitalism aren't good versus evil in anything but your personal opinion, because you subscribe to one economic ideology over the other.


Tell me, are the Christians in China, in the Communist People's Republic, going to hell? :)
 
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Capitalism, which reduces people to commodities by putting a price tag on them, is a wonderful system and in line with Jesus' teaching; whereas communism, which entails common ownership of the means of production, is pure evil.:doh:

Besides, do Christians have a moral right to accuse others of violating human rights and freedoms ... considering inquisitions, witch-hunting and all those 'glorious' events in their history?

Preach it brother! :clap:
 
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Willful ignorance! Your ignorance speaks for itself. I have no need of saying more.

Actually, yes you do. You clearly hate Communism but you haven't said why. If you read the book of Acts you'll find that the early church practised communism; they sold their possessions and gave everything to the poor, numerous times. That was communism in its purest form. Sadly, Communist Governments (as seen in the old USSR and China) are almost always corrupt, but theoretical Communism, outline by Marx, is not evil, not unless you think giving to the poor and sharing your possessions is evil.

Sadly, I think a lot of Christians just don't like to think about things or examine them for themselves. Their Pastor spouts out a hateful message from his box and most Christians are just happy to take that as the word of God.
 
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Don't be silly. Communism and Capitalism aren't good versus evil in anything but your personal opinion, because you subscribe to one economic ideology over the other.

American Christians see Capitalism v Communism/Socialism as a battle of Good v Evil, just like they see Republican v Democrat as a divine struggle. American politics is very polarized.
 
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Nope!

One needs to clean up one's own act first ...

But, the OP was not reaching out to condemn the communist Chinese, rather it was protesting the fact that the communist Chinese were insidiously indoctrinating children within this country. Big difference! Try doing that in China and see how long you survive (literally).
So... any, you know... actual examples of any of the so called "indoctrination" being presented to the kids that is, in fact, false?

I mean specifically, not just "ZOMG communist!" stuff.
 
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Don't be silly. Communism and Capitalism aren't good versus evil in anything but your personal opinion, because you subscribe to one economic ideology over the other.
I'm sure you just missed my prior post, laconicstudent. The opposite of communism is freedom. Communism is not an economic ideology. Communism is enslavement under the guise of social equality.

Want proof? Just look at the pattern in communist countries:
First, the elite are eliminated. It happened in the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, everywhere. (In logical terms this is called a persistent pattern.)
The masses are indoctrinated. The intention is to teach them how to think. Those failing indoctrination are eliminated, just as the elite were. Of course, the party line goes something akin to "for the common good". (Kinda funny, how many people fail to see pure evil when it is given a warm-fuzzy name.)
Economic controls are placed on everything. Control the money; control the people. Power is consolidated centrally and people lose control over virtually all aspects of their lives.

Is the pattern becoming clear yet?

Maybe this will help ..., Ever wonder about the evil described in Revelation? There is one succinct summary ...
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

It's not just communism, of course. It's also socialism, marxism and Islam. Want to know how it ends? OK. Let's start at the beginning and count down ...
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
...
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Your false premise is that capitalism is the opposite of communism. Not true.


Tell me, are the Christians in China, in the Communist People's Republic, going to hell? :)
Not mine to judge. Martyrdom is certainly a choice.
 
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I am amazed at how people, especially Christians in FREE countries, are so willing to bow to Communism as a viable form of government. It is truly shocking. It is no wonder that people are deceived by the anti-christ. They are primed and ready to accept governmental control over their lives and welfare!

Here is the controversy surrounding Confucius Institute. They admit that it is a propaganda campaign of the Communist Government of China!

Confucius Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Controversies
Government officials, educators, and journalists have disagreed over Confucius Institute programs.
Members of the Swedish parliament expressed concerns that the Institute provides a platform for the Chinese government.[6] A declassified intelligence report by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service says, "Beijing is out to win the world's hearts and minds, not just its economic markets, as a means of cementing power."[7] The Government of India rejected the idea of Confucius Institutes in schools, and called them "a Chinese design to spread its soft power – widening influence by using culture as a propagational tool."[8][9]
When the University of Sydney was negotiating to establish a Confucius Institute, some professors called for it to be segregated from the Chinese studies department, and Jocelyn Chey criticized it "as a propaganda vehicle for the Chinese communist party, and not a counterpart to the Goethe Institute or Alliance Française."[10] Faculty at the University of Pennsylvania decided academic freedom outweighed the advantages of a Confucius Institute; G. Cameron Hurst III explained, "There was a general feeling that it was not an appropriate thing for us to do. We feel absolutely confident in the instructors that we train here, and we didn't want them meddling in our curriculum."[11] After school board members of Hacienda La Puente Unified School District opposed establishing a Confucius Institute, history teacher Jane Shults described their criticisms as "... jingoistic, xenophobic, not overly rational and it’s really shades of McCarthyism all over again."[12]
Journalists have commented on the use of Confucius to name these institutes. The Asia Times Online lamented that the Chinese government was using Confucianism as "an assistant to the Chinese god of wealth (and a representative of Chinese diplomacy) but not a tutor for Chinese souls."[13] The Economist noted the irony of the Chinese Communist Party using Confucius to name the institute, saying that "Mao vilified Confucius as a symbol of the backward conservatism of pre-communist China. Now the philosopher, who lived in the 6th century BC, has been recast as a promoter of peace and harmony: just the way President Hu Jintao wants to be seen. Li Changchun, a party boss, described the Confucius Institutes as “an important part of China’s overseas propaganda set-up”."[14] A China Daily editorial accused opponents of hypocrisy for not calling "Goethe Institutes, Alliances Francaises or Cervantes Institutes as propaganda vehicles or tools of cultural invasion".[



The division lines are being drawn. Those who think straight believe that God, and God alone, is their source, provider, strength and salvation while those who truly are mentally deranged believe that their source, provider, strength and salvation lies in government. Those who do not trust in God will be tested and if you choose poorly, you will pay for eternity.
 
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American Christians see Capitalism v Communism/Socialism as a battle of Good v Evil, just like they see Republican v Democrat as a divine struggle. American politics is very polarized.

I wouldn't call myself a capitalist but I recognize that Marxism is an evil ideology that is explicitly atheist and opposed to religion and the Church. Marxist governments don't have the best track record with being nice to Orthodox Christians either.

I'm not sure why people would paint "socialism" vs capitalism in black and white terms though. One can hold to the usefulness of re-distribution of wealth, social welfare programs, and things of that nature with out being opposed to Christianity and the Church. One could hold that such things are not useful and cause more problems than they fix and still be loyal to the Christian faith too. It's not like holding to one of those views implies that you want to rid the world of Christianity and consider it the "opiate of the masses" in the manner of a Marxist.
 
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I am amazed at how people, especially Christians in FREE countries, are so willing to bow to Communism as a viable form of government. It is truly shocking. It is no wonder that people are deceived by the anti-christ. They are primed and ready to accept governmental control over their lives and welfare!

The division lines are being drawn. Those who think straight believe that God, and God alone, is their source, provider, strength and salvation while those who truly are mentally deranged believe that their source, provider, strength and salvation lies in government. Those who do not trust in God will be tested and if you choose poorly, you will pay for eternity.

I don't think anybody here is saying they want a Communist Government. I'm a democratic socialist myself. I believe everybody should have access to some form of healthcare and welfare when they need them. I'm not, however, of the belief that Government should run our lives.

The problem I have with America's brand of right wing politics (the GOP) is that it embodies a selfish, don't-give-a-crap-about-your-neighbour attitude. It's as if Ayn Rand wrote the Republican Bible. During the Healthcare debates I was staggered by some of the things Republican senators and congressmen were saying. They just didn't give a hoot about the working class and unemployed at all, and these are people that predominantly US Christians vote for.

Also, I'm not really sure what to think of what you said in your last paragraph that I quoted. If you genuinely believe all that then you probably need to ease up on the conspiracy theories. The Bible doesn't say, anywhere, that we are saved based on our political persuasion. We're saved based on what Jesus did on the cross. Whether I'm a Communist, Republican Glenn Beck devotee or a Liberal is irrelevant to my salvation.
 
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I don't think anybody here is saying they want a Communist Government. I'm a democratic socialist myself. I believe everybody should have access to some form of healthcare and welfare when they need them. I'm not, however, of the belief that Government should run our lives.

The problem I have with America's brand of right wing politics (the GOP) is that it embodies a selfish, don't-give-a-crap-about-your-neighbour attitude. It's as if Ayn Rand wrote the Republican Bible. During the Healthcare debates I was staggered by some of the things Republican senators and congressmen were saying. They just didn't give a hoot about the working class and unemployed at all, and these are people that predominantly US Christians vote for.

Also, I'm not really sure what to think of what you said in your last paragraph that I quoted. If you genuinely believe all that then you probably need to ease up on the conspiracy theories. The Bible doesn't say, anywhere, that we are saved based on our political persuasion. We're saved based on what Jesus did on the cross. Whether I'm a Communist, Republican Glenn Beck devotee or a Liberal is irrelevant to my salvation.

OH, that is SOOOO not true! Conservative Americans are THE MOST generous people in the world! We don't want redistribution of wealth - we don't want the government telling people what to do with the money they earn. We give 10% or more of our earnings to God's work in helping the poor and reaching the lost! This is why there are SO MANY faith-based initiatives in this nation!

And a person's political leanings ARE a person's internal values. Liberals sanction murder of the unborn as a "right" and that is immoral according to God's Law! Liberals also believe in homosexuality as a "right" which is also immoral according to God's Law. Stealing wealth is immoral. Lying is immoral. When any man stands up and says he believes in these things, while mocking the Bible, no less, it is a BIG RED FLAG that the person is not on God's side!
 
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OH, that is SOOOO not true! Conservative Americans are THE MOST generous people in the world! We don't want redistribution of wealth - we don't want the government telling people what to do with the money they earn. We give 10% or more of our earnings to God's work in helping the poor and reaching the lost! This is why there are SO MANY faith-based initiatives in this nation!

And a person's political leanings ARE a person's internal values. Liberals sanction murder of the unborn as a "right" and that is immoral according to God's Law! Liberals also believe in homosexuality as a "right" which is also immoral according to God's Law. Stealing wealth is immoral. Lying is immoral. When any man stands up and says he believes in these things, while mocking the Bible, no less, it is a BIG RED FLAG that the person is not on God's side!
OK, OK, communism evil, we get it... but back to your own OP... could you provide some specific examples of what this group is telling kids that is false?
 
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