The 1260/1290/1335 end-of-days

[Aijalon]

Lets get to the heart of Post Trib doctrine.
THE 1260 DAYS -
THE 1290 DAYS -
THE 1335 DAYS -

These three time periods all seem to correspond to the last half of the final 70th week fo Daniel 9.

I want to discuss the various things that may happen in the final two periods of days - the 30 days after the 1260, and the 45 days after that.

In my current estimation, the 30 days after the 1260 are the 30 days which bring forth the last abomination of desolation, this is the point at which Satan-the-antichrist declares himself God - a full 1290 days after outlawing temple sacrifice in Jerusalem. (Daniel 12:11)

These 30 days I believe may include the rapture of the 144,000 because Rev ch 14 suggests that these firstfruits will be resurrected and return with Christ before he pours the 7 vials of wrath. During this same month of time, Christ will be on earth, most likely in a great cloud of fire and smoke in the Seir mountains in Edom or at the same place he appeared in fire to Israel (Mt Horeb). He will remain there for a time as the the world trembles in fear. The Golden Calf incident suggests that during this time the false prophet will perform the abomination of desolation about 30 days after the Lord appears.

Christ, the word, is also the LAW. The law shall go forth (modeled by Moses bringing down the commandments) Once Christ comes down from the mountain, he marches up through Edom, Moab, and camps on the border of Israel. During this time here are 3 days of warning, and 40 to 42 days of plagues which are poured upon those who have the mark of the beast. The final two days of the 42 might represent the 2 days of battle where Christ conducts the battle of armageddon.

The book of Jonah says that Nineveh is given 40 days to repent, after Jonah walks 3 days journey through the city. But Jonah 3:10 says that the city repented, and the Lord did not destroy the city. Jonah went out of the city and watched it for two additional days,making 45. The first day a plant grew up to shade him, the second day the plant died and the Lord taught Jonah this lesson: he cares about the ignorant and deceived people of the world - he gives them 40 days to repent.

During the final two days he sets his feet on the Mt of Olives (as Jonah was set on a hill outside Nineveh) He splits the mountain, and the final remnant of Saints flee the city. Then there is a roughly 2-day battle as Christ defeats the armies of Gog who have gathered in the valley.

This last two-day period, are the two days of final judgement. It will be a two day battle as Joshua's battle lasted for one whole EXTRA day against the ten kings. In the case of Nineveh as a type of Babylon, see the book of Nahum.

When Daniel says in chapter 12, 'blessed is he who waits until the 1335 days', I take this to mean that the final harvest of the remnant inside the city of Jerusalem will take place, as these believers are captive by Satan and his strongest demons who block the angels from rapturing anyone in the city. But even one believer gives God cause to attack the city and take it. I suspect that in the 40 days of repentance many will repent in awe and fear.

 

[granpa]

1335-1260=75

Bible Concordance: Seventy-five

 

[Bible2]

Aijalon said in post 1:

Lets get to the heart of Post Trib doctrine.
THE 1260 DAYS -
THE 1290 DAYS -
THE 1335 DAYS -

These three time periods all seem to correspond to the last half of the final 70th week fo Daniel 9.

That's right.

Daniel 12:11-12 and Revelation 16:15 could mean that 1,335 literal days after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31), Jesus' 2nd coming will occur, and blessed are those believers who wait and remain obedient until that day. If the literal 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 12:6) will begin when the abomination of desolation is set up, and if the 7 vials of God's wrath will begin on the day after the 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 11:15,19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), and if the first 6 vials will be poured out over 30 days, then the 6th vial could be poured out on the 1,290th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11).

It's on this 1,290th day that the blessing of Daniel 12:12 and Revelation 16:15 could be given, after the 6th vial has been poured out (Revelation 16:12), encouraging those in the church who will still be alive on the earth at that time to keep holding on just 45 more days until Jesus' 2nd coming on the 1,335th day. The 45 days could be taken up by the gathering together of the world's armies to Armageddon (Revelation 16:14,16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) and then their moving south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus' 2nd coming and their total defeat (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).

 

[JLB777]

Lets get to the heart of Post Trib doctrine.
THE 1260 DAYS -
THE 1290 DAYS -
THE 1335 DAYS -

These three time periods all seem to correspond to the last half of the final 70th week fo Daniel 9.

I want to discuss the various things that may happen in the final two periods of days - the 30 days after the 1260, and the 45 days after that.

In my current estimation, the 30 days after the 1260 are the 30 days which bring forth the last abomination of desolation, this is the point at which Satan-the-antichrist declares himself God - a full 1290 days after outlawing temple sacrifice in Jerusalem. (Daniel 12:11)

These 30 days I believe may include the rapture of the 144,000 because Rev ch 14 suggests that these firstfruits will be resurrected and return with Christ before he pours the 7 vials of wrath.

Please take note of the 144,000 in Revelation 7.

1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads." 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed: 5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed; 6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed; 7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed; 8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

Notice that the 144,000 are on earth and will be protected.

On the other hand, we have a view of heaven and all those from every nation, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.

How did these all get to heaven?


"These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen." 13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?" 14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."


On earth we have the 144,000 who are protected from what is about to harm the earth and sea, as well as everyone who doesn't have the seal of God.

In heaven, we see a great multitude who has come out of the great tribulation and has been faithful even unto death.


No pre-trib Rapture!


JLB

 

[peterlindner]

David shared the victory spoil will ALL.
Jesus came so that we would live a life more abundant.
That IS the heart of God.
Dreams and Visions allow you to interpret a limited grace of only 144,000? With special elders 24? The 1260 is 3.5 years (without rain symbolism). The additonal 75 is feet/days or 50 (gallows) cubits of hamon revenge. Revelations is entirely symbolic of God's appointed times.

God's plan is NOT full of revenge.

The 1260 is the duration of a man's journey (from lamb separation sheni...day God told Noah to get into the ark until Trumpets sheni...the final trump).

 

[Bible2]

peterlindner said in post 5:

Dreams and Visions allow you to interpret a limited grace of only 144,000?

No, for all obedient people in the church will be spiritually protected during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, no matter what happens to them physically (Romans 8:35-37). The 144,000 male-virgins part of the church (Revelation 14:4), along with some others, will be physically protected so that they will survive the tribulation's first stage (Revelation 6), while others will die and their souls will enter heaven (Revelation 7:9,14). Near the end of this first stage, the 144,000 will be sealed (Revelation 7:3-4) for physical protection before the unsealing of the 7th seal (Revelation 8:1), out of which will come the tribulation's 7 trumpets (Revelation 8:1-2). The first 6 trumpets' events, up to Revelation 9:19, will be the tribulation's 2nd stage. The seal which the 144,000 will receive (which will be different from and in addition to the seal of the Holy Spirit himself which they and all others in the church receive: Ephesians 1:13) will physically protect them during this 2nd stage (Revelation 9:4).

After the 2nd stage is over, the 144,000 male-virgins part of the church will be caught up in their mortal bodies as the "man child" to God's throne in heaven (Revelation 12:5, Revelation 14:4-5, Textus Receptus), like how Enoch and Elijah were caught up in their mortal bodies to heaven (Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:1). Right after the 144,000 are caught up, the tribulation's 3rd stage, the literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will begin (Revelation 12:5-6). This time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5-18, Revelation 14:9-13).

The 144,000 will remain in heaven before God's throne (Revelation 14:5, Textus Receptus) during the time of the Antichrist's reign (Revelation 14:9-13, Revelation 13:5-18), while two other parts of the church will still be on the earth: the figurative "woman" who represents those in the church who will flee into prepared wilderness places and be physically protected (Revelation 12:6,14), and the remnant of her seed (Revelation 12:17), those in the church who will remain in the cities and not be physically protected, but will be persecuted in every nation, imprisoned, and beheaded by the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

After the Antichrist's reign is declared legally over at the sounding of the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:15), the 7 plagues of the 7 vials of God's wrath will come out of the 7th trumpet's heavenly-temple opening (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1). These vials will be the tribulation's 4th and final stage (Revelation 16). Because the church isn't appointed to God's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9), none of these vials will be directed at those in the church who will still be alive on the earth at that time, still waiting for Jesus' coming as a thief (Revelation 16:15). Instead, they will go into protective chambers which they will have built for themselves on the earth (Isaiah 26:20), just as Noah and his family went into the protective ark which they had built for themselves on the earth (Genesis 7:7). So some in the church will survive the entire future tribulation on the earth. They're those who will still be "alive and remain" at Jesus' 2nd coming to be raptured (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). These survivors will have experienced God's miraculous physical protection (Psalms 91) without having to have been part of the 144,000.

peterlindner said in post 5:

With special elders 24?

The 24 elders (Revelation 4:4) could be 24 chief angels, who, along with the 4 beasts/seraphims, have been worshipping God continually (as in 24 hours a day) for untold ages (Revelation 4:8-11, Isaiah 6:2-3). Just as the ancient Jewish temple on earth was modeled after the temple in heaven (Hebrews 9:23-24, Hebrews 8:5), so the 24 courses of the ancient Jewish chief priests on earth (1 Chronicles 24:7-18) could have been modeled after the 24 elders in heaven. God could have also patterned the 24 hours of the day on earth after the 24 elders in heaven. And he could have also patterned the church's 12 tribes of Israel and its 12 apostles (Revelation 21:9,12,14), together forming the number 24, after the 24 elders in heaven.

At the time of Revelation 5:8-9, the 24 elders and the 4 beasts/seraphims could be singing before God the prayers of the church (Revelation 5:8c), just as subsequently we see an angel offering up before God the prayers of the church (Revelation 8:4). So in Revelation 5:9, the 24 elders and the 4 beasts/seraphims can be singing words which don't apply to themselves, just as human singers on earth can sing words which don't apply to themselves (e.g. James Taylor singing the words of the song "Millworker", which are the words of a female millworker).

The 24 elders wearing crowns (Revelation 4:4) doesn't forbid them (as is sometimes claimed) from being angels. For if even the weird locust-like beings and the devil can wear crowns (Revelation 9:7, Revelation 12:3,9), then some angels can wear crowns.

Also, the 24 elders wearing white clothing (Revelation 4:4) doesn't forbid them (as is sometimes claimed) from being angels, for angels can wear white clothing (Revelation 15:6, John 20:12).

peterlindner said in post 5:

Revelations is entirely symbolic of God's appointed times.

Revelation is almost entirely literal, for it's unsealed (Revelation 22:10), meaning that it shouldn't be difficult for saved people of any time to understand it if they simply read it as it's written: chronologically and almost-entirely literally. The few parts of it that are symbolic are almost always explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 1:20, Revelation 17:9-12). And Revelation's few symbols not explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 13:2) are usually explained elsewhere in the Bible (e.g. Daniel 7:4-7,17).

Just as Jesus' 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally, so the events of the preceding tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally. Also, the millennium in Revelation 20 will be literal, and will begin after Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21), when he will reign on the earth with the bodily resurrected church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11). After that, the events of Revelation 20:7 to 22:5 will occur literally.

peterlindner said in post 5:

The 1260 is the duration of a man's journey (from lamb separation sheni...day God told Noah to get into the ark until Trumpets sheni...the final trump).

Regarding the 1,260 days, 42 months, and "a time, and times, and half a time", they're all the same time period in the prophecies of Revelation 13:5, Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Daniel 7:25, and Daniel 12:7. They will be 1,260 literal days, just as the 3 days in the fulfilled prophecies of Luke 9:22 and Luke 18:33 were literal days, and the 3 days in the fulfilled prophecies of Genesis 40:13 and Genesis 40:19 were literal days, and the 70 years in the fulfilled prophecy of Jeremiah 25:11-12 (Daniel 9:2) were literal years (Zechariah 7:5).

The literal 1,260-day time period will be the time of the Antichrist's Luciferian/Satanic worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13). The myriad details of these chapters were never fulfilled during any past time period (such as of 1,260 years, as historicism mistakenly claims). But these details must be fulfilled (Revelation 1:1). So they will be fulfilled in our future, after the also-never-fulfilled details of Revelation chapters 6 to 10 are fulfilled in our future.

 

[zeke37]

Lets get to the heart of Post Trib doctrine.
THE 1260 DAYS -
THE 1290 DAYS -
THE 1335 DAYS -

I doubt too many of us post tribbers will agree with each other
but i'm all ears

These three time periods all seem to correspond to the last half of the final 70th week fo Daniel 9.

I want to discuss the various things that may happen in the final two periods of days - the 30 days after the 1260, and the 45 days after that.

In my current estimation, the 30 days after the 1260 are the 30 days which bring forth the last abomination of desolation, this is the point at which Satan-the-antichrist declares himself God - a full 1290 days after outlawing temple sacrifice in Jerusalem. (Daniel 12:11)

there will be no third jewish temple.
we are the temple of God, as Paul defines
the AC will sit in us and claim to be God
and show that he is God if u believe him

only the elect among us will not be deceived

the sacrifices he stops
are the prayer sacrifices we all make to God
and have ever since before Daniel did.
after all, Daniel was not sacrificing animals.
his daily sacrifice was prayer

so if the AC claims to be God
and we pray to him instead of the real God
the that would be stopping the continual daily sacrifice.
(it has to be continual since at least Daniel, so it is not referencing animal sacrifice)

These 30 days I believe may include the rapture of the 144,000 because Rev ch 14 suggests that these firstfruits will be resurrected and return with Christ before he pours the 7 vials of wrath.

that makes some sense.
I view the 144k as the elect on earth,
raptured to God at His 2nd Coming

I think from that point on, He's here on earth and remains here on earth
most believe we go up to heaven and come back.
I don't

I have been leaning towards something what u suggest lately.
not a pre trib or mid trib rapture, but a pre wrath one....very ate in the game
i have to still refer to it as post trib/pre wrath view.

During this same month of time, Christ will be on earth, most likely in a great cloud of fire and smoke in the Seir mountains in Edom or at the same place he appeared in fire to Israel (Mt Horeb).

He will be waging war against Israel's enemies...
the countries mentioned as receiving His wrath on the day of the Lord
are all Muslim countries today

He will remain there for a time as the the world trembles in fear. The Golden Calf incident suggests that during this time the false prophet will perform the abomination of desolation about 30 days after the Lord appears.

can't see that one....but I get the analogy

Christ, the word, is also the LAW. The law shall go forth (modeled by Moses bringing down the commandments) Once Christ comes down from the mountain, he marches up through Edom, Moab, and camps on the border of Israel. During this time here are 3 days of warning, and 40 to 42 days of plagues which are poured upon those who have the mark of the beast. The final two days of the 42 might represent the 2 days of battle where Christ conducts the battle of armageddon.

The book of Jonah says that Nineveh is given 40 days to repent, after Jonah walks 3 days journey through the city. But Jonah 3:10 says that the city repented, and the Lord did not destroy the city. Jonah went out of the city and watched it for two additional days,making 45. The first day a plant grew up to shade him, the second day the plant died and the Lord taught Jonah this lesson: he cares about the ignorant and deceived people of the world - he gives them 40 days to repent.

you might be on to something there.
there is a call to come out of Babylon made in Rev18
maybe that is the time the massing for Armageddon happens

During the final two days he sets his feet on the Mt of Olives (as Jonah was set on a hill outside Nineveh) He splits the mountain, and the final remnant of Saints flee the city. Then there is a roughly 2-day battle as Christ defeats the armies of Gog who have gathered in the valley.

This last two-day period, are the two days of final judgement. It will be a two day battle as Joshua's battle lasted for one whole EXTRA day against the ten kings. In the case of Nineveh as a type of Babylon, see the book of Nahum.

interesting.

When Daniel says in chapter 12, 'blessed is he who waits until the 1335 days', I take this to mean that the final harvest of the remnant inside the city of Jerusalem will take place, as these believers are captive by Satan and his strongest demons who block the angels from rapturing anyone in the city. But even one believer gives God cause to attack the city and take it.

i don't see that one either, but maybe

I suspect that in the 40 days of repentance many will repent in awe and fear.
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me too, that is, if any time is given for repentance

but there are a few things I am fixated on
one of them is that, like is 1st Coming mirrored the spring feasts of the Lord, to the day and hour
His 2nd Coming will mirror the fall feasts of the Lord, to the day and hour
so here is the pattern that I can see

there will be a trump on the first day of the 7th month (7th trumpet)
and there will be 10 days of awe that follow (atonement)
and then a 3 day wait (tabernacles)
a week long celebration
culminating at the next day, as the great last day

not sure about after that, lol.

 

[Time Watcher]

The entire period:

1260 days + 1260 days + 30 days + 45 days

The first 1260 days will include the sealing of the 144,000 children of Israel, Satan's coming to the earth, rising of the beast from the abyss, release of the abyss angles, rising of the little horn to conquer the Middle East, destruction of the western great city of MBG, release of the Euphrates angles

The second 1260 days will include the Satan's beast in the little horn's invasion and occupation of Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount, the beast's conquering and rule of the Middle East during the period, his fending off of any outside opposition to his rule, the rising of Satan's false prophet, the appearence of the Lord's two prophets, the resurrection of the Lord's two prophets, and the resurrection of the tribulation Martyrs

Next 30 days will include the battle of Armageddon by the Lord and His immortal ecclesia to destroy Satan's beast and the human little horn and his followers, and the binding of Satan [His immortal ecclesia will rule with Him over the mortals of His coming millennial kingdom on the earth]

The next 45 days will include the Lord's appearing on the earth, His gathering of the mortal survivors of the tribulation; first of Israel for entrance into His millennial kingdom on the earth, and then of the Gentiles of the nations and His separation of the same for entrance into His millennial kingdom on the earth [these gatherings are not resurrections]

 

[Bible2]

zeke37 said in post 7:

there will be no third jewish temple.
we are the temple of God, as Paul defines

Note that while the church as a whole is a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), it isn't the only temple of God. For it coexists with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21) and even at the time of the early church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). That's why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in his temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say that the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old-Covenant-Mosaic-law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6) because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

zeke37 said in post 7:

there will be no third jewish temple.

Note that Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 require that there will be a 3rd Jewish temple in the earthly Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple will coexist with the church like the 2nd temple did (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and like the temple building in heaven does (Revelation 11:19). The 3rd temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the Antichrist could attack and defeat them and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22).

Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being defiled.

But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

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One reason that the 3rd Jewish temple hasn't been built yet is the Israeli government is protecting the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd-holiest buildings in Islam, right after those in Mecca and Medina), knowing that if the ultra-Orthodox Jews were to destroy these buildings in order to clear the Temple Mount for a 3rd Jewish temple, this could mean the end of the state of Israel. For enraged Muslim armies and militias could attack Israel en masse in an all-out jihad and defeat it completely. While the ultra-Orthodox Jews are no doubt aware of this danger, they believe that the 3rd temple must nonetheless be built exactly where the prior temples stood: right over the Rock of Sacrifice (the Rock of the Dome of the Rock) on which Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. And the ultra-Orthodox Jews could be brought to the point where they will even desire to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel, believing that only in its demise will God make it possible for them to establish a new, perfectly ultra-Orthodox, theocratic state of Israel.

Something that could bring the ultra-Orthodox Jews to this point would be them getting squeezed out of their settlements in Samaria and Judaea (also called the West Bank), and in East Jerusalem, as part of a peace deal handing these areas over to a Palestinian state. For the ultra-Orthodox Jews (rightly) see Samaria, Judaea, and Jerusalem as the historically most important and holy parts of the land promised by God to Israel since the time of Abraham (Exodus 32:13). So when they start to get squeezed out of these areas, in a rage they could suddenly mass in their tens of thousands, armed with machine guns (which they're allowed to have for self-defense against the Palestinians). And led by 3 huge bulldozers, they could march as a great army to the Old City of Jerusalem, and go up onto the Temple Mount and destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (or simply clear way their rubble, if they've already been destroyed by great earthquakes by that time).

Besides getting squeezed out of their settlements, something else that could tip the scales toward this happening would be the rising up of a miracle-working, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (cf. Matthew 24:24), who could tell the ultra-Orthodox Jews something like:

"God says that now is the time for us to take back religious control of the Holy Temple Mount, and rid it of all the detestable shrines which the Muslims have placed upon it. We are to sanctify it in the name of our God, so that we might rebuild His Holy Temple there. Listen, my brethren, fear not the Muslims' reaction when we retake religious control of the Holy Temple Mount. For God Himself is with us. He will protect us perfectly. Have I not shown you His mighty Power working through Me? Fear not any men, but fear only our Mighty God, who now commands us to rebuild His Holy Temple at the place He determined from the time of our Father Abraham. Our God gave us back the Holy Temple Mount way back in 1967 C.E. But what have we done with it over all the time since then? Nothing! How can this be? How can we have allowed some merely-secular, so-called 'Israeli' government invented by sinful men to keep us, God's holy people, from even setting foot back on the Temple Mount? Let us rise up, my brethren! Let us all rise up, in the name of our God, and let us do mighty exploits to the Glory of His Holy Name!"

Something else that could help tip the scales regarding the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is their finding out the location of the Ark of the Covenant, which could be buried under an ancient ruined fort in the desert east of Jerusalem. The Copper Scroll could contain the clues as to where the Ark is buried in the fort (e.g. "under the third step"). The Ark could have been located there already with ground-penetrating radar by some non-religious treasure hunters, but the Israeli government could be holding up a digging permit to retrieve the Ark because the government is afraid that the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see the discovery of the Ark as (in their words) "an unmistakable sign from God that now is the time for us to rebuild His Holy Temple". So the Israeli government has a motive to keep the location of the buried Ark top secret.

zeke37 said in post 7:

the AC will sit in us and claim to be God
and show that he is God if u believe him

only the elect among us will not be deceived

Note that even some of the elect could be deceived. For in Matthew 24:24, the original Greek doesn't say "if it were possible", in the sense of it not being possible, but simply says "if possible", meaning that false Christs and false prophets will perform great miracles by the power of Satan (2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20) as part of Satan's intention of deceiving as many of the elect as possible. The Bible nowhere says (as is sometimes claimed) that it's impossible for any elect person to ever be deceived. Instead, Jesus had started out in Matthew 24 by specifically warning the elect to "Take heed that no man deceive you" (Matthew 24:4), meaning that it is possible for the elect to be deceived, if they don't take heed to Jesus' warning regarding great-miracle-working false Christs and false prophets who will appear in our future (Matthew 24:4-5,23-25, Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20).

The elect can also be deceived in other ways, whether before their salvation (Titus 3:3, Romans 7:11) or after their salvation (1 John 3:7; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 15:33, Galatians 6:7, Ephesians 5:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:3). Paul warns the elect "The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1). The time will come when some "shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:4). For it's possible for a saved person to commit apostasy, to the ultimate loss of his salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12b).

 

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Time Watcher said in post 8:

The first 1260 days will include the sealing of the 144,000 children of Israel, Satan's coming to the earth, rising of the beast from the abyss, release of the abyss angles, rising of the little horn to conquer the Middle East, destruction of the western great city of MBG, release of the Euphrates angles

Regarding "The first 1260 days will include the sealing of the 144,000 children of Israel", that's right. But it's good to note that the 144,000 will all be Christians (Revelation 14:1,4), and so they will all be part of the church (cf. Ephesians 4:4-6). They will be the firstfruits of the church (Revelation 14:4) in the sense of its best part (cf. Numbers 18:12). They will be male virgins (Revelation 14:4), who could all have been born in the 20th or 21st century, and who could all already be part of the church. For they will all be alive on the earth, and will all already be God's servants (Revelation 7:3; cf. Romans 6:22, Philippians 1:1), by the time of Revelation 7:3-8 (during the first stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24). They will have entered the tribulation along with the rest of the church alive at that time, for there will be no pre-tribulation rapture (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Also, the 144,000 can include both Jews and Gentiles in the church. For all genetic Jews in the church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), and the New Covenant is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the same as the "one fold" of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A genetic Gentile believer can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into, andhe will receive an answer from God, if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22), without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).

The tribe of Dan is missing from the list of the 144,000's twelve tribes (Revelation 7:4-8; there, "Joseph" stands for Ephraim: Numbers 1:32, Psalms 78:67, Ezekiel 37:16b,19) because the Israel they're from isn't genetic Israel with its 12 genetic tribes which include Dan (Genesis 49:28,17), but rather spiritual Israel (Romans 9:6-8), which consists of all the elect (Romans 9:11-13), both elect Jews and elect Gentiles (Romans 9:24).

Time Watcher said in post 8:

The first 1260 days will include the sealing of the 144,000 children of Israel, Satan's coming to the earth, rising of the beast from the abyss, release of the abyss angles, rising of the little horn to conquer the Middle East, destruction of the western great city of MBG, release of the Euphrates angles

Regarding "The first 1260 days will include the . . . destruction of the western great city of MBG", note that while the corrupt aspects of any western great city (and of other cities of the world) are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of a western great city. For no western great city just by itself reigns over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is any western great city the only place where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor is any western great city the place where all martyrs have been killed (Revelation 18:24). Nor has any western great city just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has any western great city been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

Also, the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17), not during the first half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, but when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem, to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

 

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The key to understanding the chronology of the 4th beast kingdom in Dan 7, which is the 1st and 2nd beast in Rev 13 (Rome), is considering the 11th horn and Dan 7:17's statement of the 4 beast in Dan 7 representing 4 kings.

Each beast in Dan 7 represented the first king of each kingdom, and the 11th horn in Dan 7 and the 2nd beast in Rev 13 both represent the false prophet because they're both given to the flame, the lake of fire in Rev 19:20 and Dan 7:11.

Some claim the 4th beast in Dan 7's horns represent kingdoms, but there's nowhere in scripture that a kingdom is given to the lake of fire. The only place in scripture anything is given to the flame pre the 1,000 yrs reign is in Rev 19:20's lake of fire trip for the Beast and the false prophet which has to be Dan 7:11 eventhough the Beast isn't mentioned.

This proves the 8th horn in Dan 7 has to be the Beast, and the 10 horns/kings in Rev 12 are the 10 horns in Dan 7 because they can't recieve kingdoms after the lake of fire event in Dan 7:11. Plus, this fact is the reason for Dan 7:9's comment of the 10 kings' thrones being throwned down and the Ancient of Days sitting, which is Rev 4's setting up of God's throne in heaven. Dan 7:8-28 is Rev 4-20.


This being established (the 10 kings in Dan 7 and Rev 17:12 being the same ten), the 4th king representing the 4th kingdom in Dan 7:17 has to be the 1st of these 10 kings in Dan 7. The reason why only 10 to 11 horns/kings are mentioned in both Dan 7 and on the 1st beast in Revelation.

The fact is, the scriptural 8th, the historical 9th Roman Emperor Flavius is the one who destroyed the temple in 70 ad; tying Dan 7, Mat 24, and Rev 4:20 together in the chronology of Christ's prophecy parable of the beginning of his kingdom and his return, both the 2nd Advent.

The scriptural 8th Roman Emperor's dynasty, the Flavian Dynasty, with his two sons, were plucked up by Nerva the scriptural 11th Roman Emperor, the last Roman Emperor to rule Rome who was related to Rome by blood or birth, another reason why only 10 to 11 kings/horns are mentioned in Dan 7 and on the 1st beast in Revelation.

These prophecies of the false prophet and the Antichrist are past; and the 1,260, 1,290, and 1,335 days in Daniel are not days but yrs, evident by Dan 9:27's reference to the abomination of desolation lasting until the consummation, defined as the final act in sealing a marriage, the entering into the New Shalem scripturally, yrs not days away from the Greek kings's desolation.

The abomination of desolation lasts from it's defilement by the Greek lil horn until the entering into the New Shalem. The "Wheat and Tares" rapture harvest of this physical world is the only cure for all these misinterpreted end times prophecy because the "devil" that's cast into the lake of fire post the 1,000 yrs reign isn't the "Devil" but one of the fallen Euphrates angel, as was the false prophet. He's the one that's thrown into the lake of fire where the Beast and false prophet are after the 1,000 yrs reign. He's the Greek lil horn, the reason for Dan 12's context jumping from the Greek kings in Dan 11 to the 2nd resurrection of the good and the bad in Rev 20:11. He's also Gog that's burnt up by fire falling from heaven in both Eze 38:22 and Rev 20:9. The antichrist isn't mentioned anywhere in Daniel except him being the 8th horn on the 4th beast in Dan 7. The man that causes the abomination of desolation in Dan 8:11 and 11:31 is the Greek lil horn. He's not the antichrist.

What the world is now awaiting according to end times prophecy is the "Wheat and Tares" rapture harvest of this physical world into the New Shalem (the barn) or the lake of fire. There's no throne judgement in the "Wheat and Tares" rapture harvest.

 

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It's best to have the NT interp of this and go from there. The AofD (an expression which began as the 'rebellion that desolates' was a figure in 1st century Judea who made a mess of the temple and the city.

there are no other NT interps of these things in ordinary language.

 

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Rebellion is as witchcraft.

 

[Interplanner]

I agree! So did Jesus. It's refering to a figure who enlisted many people in Judea in the mid-1st century to take on Rome in a freedom fight. Paul had no interest, and Jesus warned against it. The Christian message and movement had no place for it, and anguished over the direction it was taking Israel.

There are good summaries of what happened to read up. I suppose Wikipedia is OK. W. Keller THE BIBLE AS HISTORY. And of course, the main text from the times is Josephus THE JEWISH WAR.