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Sumerians and the ancient Annunaki

Discussion in 'Baptists' started by Searching For Truth, May 15, 2012.

  1. Searching For Truth

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    How many have herd of this civilization and the super advance beings called the Annunaki the 12 tablets and the super advanced disc roller? The Sumerians are said to be the oldest civilization known to mankind. The 11 tablets are written in the first language ever known to man, and contain information on how humans were created, its also said that the 11th tablet even talks of Noah and the flood it tells of a ark that Noah built to save mankind, its said that he built a submarine and not a floating style ark because he knew the flood would be caused by a tsunami and so a floating style ark wouldnt stand a chance and would be destroyed by the huge wave. it also tells of the Annunaki gathering 2 samples of DNA from all living creatures and put in the ark with Noah.( I'm not sure his name is Noah )

    If anyone has heard of this I would like to know what your opinion is on this information.
     
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    They are also claimed to be the ones who actually built a lot of the ancient wonders, such as the pyramids, and hedge stone for example. They also explain how the solar system was formed to an extent and in one of the disc rollers it lays out the planets in the exact order with graphic detail such as which planets had water etc.etc.

    lots of interesting thing, to say the least. I think there is a book called "The Epic Of Gilgamesh" that tells a lot more of the story with a lot more details.

    Again if anyone else has heard of any of this Id appreciate your input or opinions on what you know about this.
     
  3. SwordoftheLord

    SwordoftheLord Defender of the Faith

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    Look up Nephilim. thats who they are... The "Giants" mentioned in Genesis 6.
     
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    Yes it is to my understanding that the stories of the Annunaki were translated down the centuries and even made it into the bible, it is said that the OT is based on a really high percentage of exactly what the epic of Gilgamesh speaks about thousands of years before The Egyptians, Jews, Jesus, or the Bible. This makes it even more interesting when you consider that fact that this predates everything we are taught.

    I don't think that any of this information discredits that there is a God in any way shape or form, But if somehow these things were proven to be true it would put a huge twist on what we have been taught about religion, and science...

    From what I've seen there is a lot more to this than just some old conspiracy or folk talk. Its said that there are substantial amounts of evidence and proof to back up what is being said about these ancient civilizations' A lot more archaeological evidence than what has been found to back up most of the people that are spoke about in the bible, for example there has never been a single archaeological find on Solomons Temple, King Davids or his great kingdom, Moses, Abraham,or any other of the MAIN character's in the bible. There has been finds on a few people named/described in the bible but NONE of the main character's yet this civilization predates The time of the bible by thousands of years and they have been able to find substantial amounts of evidence... And some of the things they find are way more advanced than the things people are able to make even today... computers and ipods don't have anything on what is claimed these Annunaki people had.

    I'm not saying any of this is fact because I honestly don't know, I do find it interesting and would like to find out more on it.
     
  5. xBluxTunicx82

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    It is my contention that these 'Sumerians' were of the Adamic 'formation' found in Genesis 2:8, separate from the 'creation' of 'man' in Gen 1:27 You will notice that before Adam was formed, God saw that there was no man to 'till the ground', even though on Day/Age 6 He created male and female!

    We know the Sumerians taught agriculture to the surrounding areas, and the archaeological findings show these people hare red hair and very Caucasian features. (Adam in Hebrew literally means 'ruddy')

    These stories of the Annunaki surfaced recently with new focus on 'planet x' or Nibiru. There is quite the cult following on this today as can be seen by any internet search.

    Sumer was located in the same area as the 'steppes of Eden', from whence Adam and Eve left to the East. The same direction that Cain went to build a city and where he found his wife. (Again, if Adam was the 1st man in general, from where did Cain find his wife and why did he build a city if there were only 3 humans on the earth at the time)

    Remember that the Flood took place because the people on the earth-Hebrew 'erets' this land, this place- were corrupt before God and He regretted creating them. So they were destroyed. The flood was NOT a global scale event, and can be easily proven that it was a massive local flood in the region where Gods literal children resided.

    It has long been thought that Noah and Lot were the very builders of many great wonders in the world, and some of the Apocryphal books shed more light on this subject as well.

    We have to remember as well that there was no such thing as a 'jew' in the old Testament. They were Israelites, and Noah was an Adamic man, perfect in his generations(an unmixed family), this is why he was chosen. It was through Him that Isaac and Jacob would eventually come, and thus our Messiah. The 1st time 'jew' appears in scripture is in 2 Kings when the Israelites(not jews) go to war with the Jews to drive them from the land.
     
  6. strelok0017

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    I heard about Annunaki. They were children of some big dude nephilim. They apparently lived separated from others but were arrogant and even wanted to be worshiped. God didn't let it slide, of course, so they were wiped out during the flood. Many accounts that are left are half truths perhaps even written by people who had remaining knowledge of nephilim after the flood. Unless, of course, some manuscripts survived the flood which would be hard but I guess possible. Anyway, they claim a lot for themselves, those Anunaki, and many people around the world, including those waiting for aliens to appear on 21st of December this year, have been seduced by the mass media into believing this, I'll be blatant, bunch of lies. It's not an attack on Christianity, which is curious enough, but just some manuscripts a few guys found and some dude named Sitchin interpreted "ancient astronauts" from them and poof: there you have some X-Planet, 2012 and they connected the accounts of the flood of different civilizations and ended up with a hoax.

    They even claim; guys like Bob Robert Dean; that they personally know Jesus and that they were taken up to second heaven or something like that or were even taken to space by some creatures who claimed to be angels of the Lord.

    I find it interesting how this theory aligns with evolutionary theory of creation or theistic evolution in other words. They who believe that those Anunaki were aliens will often tell you that those aliens evolved billions of years before we did and that is the way they explain why are those "aliens" (demons in reality) more advanced than humans in a biological sense. That theory is also being used by those who claim that Roosevelt accident was about aliens or stuff like that. While there might be strange organisms living around they are by no means more advanced than us. I wouldn't wonder if demons could pervert the human genome somehow and make who knows what out of it but they, for sure, can't create anything. They are seducing people by signs and wonders and half truths into believing all sorts of strange things.

    It's beautiful that we have the Bible that can definitely discern those "alien" spirits to be of the devil. I know this isn't what OP really asked but I just thought I'd share anyway.

    Maybe they did something to genome, who knows, I personally doubt that the reason people were big was because of genome modification but there could be some truth to it.

    Apparently the atmosphere before the flood was thicker because of the canopy of water that protected the earth by absorbing UV rays and personally I believe that theory holds water (sorry about that :p). People might have been able to grow big too. Or a bit bigger than they are now.

    Annunaki, whoever they were, are not that important today. There are some old manuscripts that hold Sumeria to be the oldest civilization but I don't know how anyone could know about it because if they are 7000 years old than they were among the first people who lived before the flood. They certainly wrote seductive lies on their manuscripts about all sorts of fake deities, Annunaki just being one of them.



    Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. His word is sharper than any two edged sword. If you read the Old Testament again and try to see what people who believe Annunaki were aliens say, you will see that Annunaki manuscripts are probably a lot younger than Sitchin claimed them to be and that they were perhaps even an attempt to pervert the Old Testament. That stuff is demonic through and through.

    God bless!

    PS: Bible is NOT based on any other text, it is actually a straw argument. Bible might have been written, that is, Genesis, later than those manuscripts but that does not make it a copy. Do not fall for the lies of zietgiest or whatever you spell it, they are full of the devil.
     
  7. gideons300

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    I hate to rain on this parade, but with the church in dire straights, with lukewamness wrapped around us like a straight jacket, with secret sins still gripping us, choking what little life there is, is this how we should seek truth that will set us "free indeed"? What good can come of this? Will it make us less worldly? More single eyed? Love our neighbor deeper? These fables have no truth to set us free, and with chains upon us, robbing us of pur peace and our joy, it would seem to me that getting the heavy yoke strapped to our shoulders off our necks would be of prime importance. Right now we are ill prepared for what is stirring on the horizon.

    Look guys, I truly mean no disrespect. But as one poster alluded to, this stuff is "fun" to look into, is enticing, and yes, it has developed a cult following. Will we ourselves benefit from speculating? I know my answer. Do you know yours?

    I am no better than you. All I know is that we are called to be single eyed and run our race as if our souls depended upon it. And they do.

    Blessings,

    Gideon
     
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    IisJustMe He rescued me because He delighted in me (Ps18:19)

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    :doh:Great googly-moogly, man!

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    So you don't understand that Genesis 2 is a retelling of the Creation Story from Adam's perspective, whereas Genesis 1 is God's view of the Creation?

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    I'm sure there are a lot of Baptists who have gone to university and earned BAs in a lot of the liberal arts/humanities, and science programs and do actually find that our academic and cultural heritage had its beginnings at Sumer, Akkad, a little interesting; and maybe the fact that Ur of the Chaldees is where Abraham was born, smack dab in the middle of Sumer might be kind of interesting too. Maybe talking about the life, technology, and social practices of the people Abraham lived with has no real practical application of spiritual truth, but hey, Abraham lived in a world of cultic and speculative practices, and somehow he heard the voice of God and followed the calling of the Lord to go to the land of Canaan, a land also full of non-edifying practices and yet he held onto his faith and lived in the promise of God. I think it may have a little merit to know a little about the world he lived in. I mean world war 2 is ancient history too, why do we need to learn anything about it or from it?
    Revisionist and speculative aside, the Sumerians and Akkadians were the first to develop a system of writing, to record little things like business transactions, providing receipts for purchase, stuff we don't use anymore. Yeah, they wrote on clay tablets, they farmed and grew grains, developed basic ox driven carts, used them to sift the grain, stuff we don't really use. They figured out the 60 second minute, how many degrees go into a circle, stuff no carpenter has to know. They were descendants of Shem, and spoke a Semitic language, not that Hebrew is Semitic, or Syrian for that matter (one moment, they both are).
    As any society that descended from Adam, they messed up. They put together stories to tell the kids, tried to deify their early leaders (it's like Egypt or Rome never tried that) making them the main characters of their Creation Epic. We're looking at dates starting from about 3300 BC for cuneiform tablets, well within the timeline from Noah to Abraham.

    There's nothing earth-shattering about this stuff, other than it happened to be the cradle of civilization.

    Like any non-Christian society they had different gods, different myths, and there are reputable books available on the subject. I don't know if people remember the latest Iraq war when many scholars, archeologists, and people who cared advised the military not to bomb the museums in Iraq because of the depository of records and artifacts etc., that were kept there (there couldn't possibly be a black market could there?). No need to go to the (Royal) British museum's website and check out their exhibits, I mean why would anyone go to the pyramids in Egypt just to see the Israelite's handywork?
    I kind of feel the whole subject is a point of contact to people who are interested in this stuff, and to speculate, God also had His people right there, living in faith, who may have been concerned about their neighbour's salvation too. Just a thought.
     
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  10. LantanaAnna

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    I have also read about the Nephilim and I think there is some validity to this. There is much info on you tube. You can also read the Book of Enoch, I think he was Noah's great grandfather and he walked with God. Enoch is not included as a book in the Bible, but many historians use it. I want to tell you something and I am in no way saying I am right, but I have reasoned and thought about this alot.

    Someone above mentioned that the Bible stated Noah was perfect in his generation.
    Their interpretation was I think meaning mixed with outsiders, my interpretation is mixed with the seed of the Nephilim. Imagine if Satan who is bent on keeping the Savior from being born could interfere with the actual lineage through which he would come. And the Father protected the lineage so that Jesus could come. This subject gets complicated and I am hard pressed to explain it in a coherent way. But those people who lived long long ago were not un intelligent, many were brilliant. They had technology, understanding of things we do not even understand. They tinkered with unthinkable subjects, like human DNA. God sent the flood to wipe out the Nephilim, course some survived. (If Satan could create life that was not fully human, he would create bodies for the demons, Nephilim, Rephalium, scuse my spelling.) Because if a creature is not fully human he cannot have a human spirit from God. The reason I mention this is that if you stop and think, this is what is happening now again. Men are combining humans and animals, humans and plants, these creatures are not of God, but they will provide bodies for demons in the end times. Even now in secret laboratories around the globe this is going on. What a horror. Dang, wish I could explain this all better. Start studying, thinking, praying, considering what UFO s really are and what is going on.
     
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    Well, there was such a thing as a Jew, but it was just mentioned a little later on.

    And where in 2 Kings does it say the Israelites drove out/fought the Jews? If you could give a reference.

    To get back on topic, I did a class on the Sumerians and scholars believe that they were actually the offspring of Adam and Eve, became wayward and paganistic, intermingled with Cain and his offspring (relatives) and eventually becoming the interest of the fallen angels (the women) which resulted in the Nephilim or the giants in Genesis 6.

    They also believe that the reason Noah and his family were the only holy people during these times, along with Seth and Enoch before them, is that everyone else saw these people and being intrigued by their sinful ways became persuaded and left the ways of their fathers Adam, Seth, and Enoch. Its a very interesting topic and I would love to learn more about it.
     
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    I want to echo what gideons300 said. How can such Christian science-fiction do me any good toward spiritual growth. It merely tickles the mind with ideas of what might have been and how it might have been.

    I think probably Adam and Eve started the human race, and soon thereafter their descendents (if not Adam and Eve themselves) developed written language. I mean, let's face it, there's a lot you can learn and develop in a 900 year life span!
     
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    JUST ANOTHER THREAD TO DISCREDIT THE WORD OF GOD WHICH CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS THE GREAT "I AM" HOW LONG WILL THE MODERATORS ALLOW THIS TO GO ON. QUOTE "OH I AM ONLY IN HERE TO LEARN, BUT WHILE I AM HERE MIGHT AS WELL PLANT AS MUCH DOUBT THAT I CAN. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY TRUTH TO THIS, BUT IT DOES MAKE THE BIBLE LOOK BAD"

    SEARCHINGFORTHETRUTH WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR LIES AND YOUR DECEITFULNESS AND GO BACK UNDER THAT ROCK THAT YOU CRAWLED OUT FROM UNDER. i PRAY THAT JESUS WILL COUNTER WITH TRUTH ANY LIES THAT YOU CAN PRODUCE, IN THE NAME OF JESUS I PRAY, AMEN



    Numbers 32:20-23
    20 And Moses said unto them, If ye will do this thing, if ye will go armed before the Lord to war,
    21 And will go all of you armed over Jordan before the Lord, until he hath driven out his enemies from before him,
    22 And the land be subdued before the Lord: then afterward ye shall return, and be guiltless before the Lord, and before Israel; and this land shall be your possession before the Lord.
    23 But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the Lord: and be sure your sin will find you out.
    KJV
     
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    Easy answer, It is false.
     
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    Again my friend you are misquoting the bible, Jesus said "before Abraham was I Am" NOT Jesus is the Great I Am. Were did you find a verse with the words "Great I Am"??? please post it for us to see!!!

    2ndly calm down, If what you have is rock solid proof then there is NO WAY for me to discredit it. TRUE or FALSE??? I was simply asking about this subject of annunaki which I knew was mentioned in the bible. There are different stories to everything I was just curious to some outlooks on this subject.

    I do have doubt and that's why I came to ask questions. By your responses you are noone to lend a helping hand as you are one sided and do not care to be open minded in any discussion I bring up. Its either agree with you or I'm some monster trying to turn people away from God. well you couldnt be any more wrong!!!

    I myself Love God and Believe Jesus to be my Lord and Savior, and would hope any and everyone who reads anything I write understands I don't deny God or Jesus!!! I deny faith in what caused all the separation between denominations and religions etc. etc. we cant all be right we cant all be wrong so I figure we work together and at the end of the day we will believe what ever it is God puts in our hearts to believe.

    Further more don't get angry get your bible make your point and move on or continue to post but with a positive attitude. BUT DONT MISQUOTE THE BIBLE!!! I have not one time misquoted the bible nor have I come at anyone in a negative manner so why the hostility towards me? Is that what God put in your heart to relay to me was hostility???
     
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    well here within lay your lies, if Jesus of the scriptures is your Saviour, He forgave you of your sins, then He is God, even the scribes knew that only God can cleanse by forgiving sin, and without the Blood shed there is no remission. If He is your Lord/Lord God then He is God I have already shown you and most everybody else in here has shown you From scriptures that Jesus is God, and yet you deny scriptures and quote the ones you want to quote trying to take away the deity of Your so called lord and saviour, I showed you in Revelation that Jesus said He was the ALMIGHTY, you said that anyone can be almighty. God = ALMIGHTY, you or me can not be ALMIGHTY. You may be mighty but only God is ALMIGHTY! I showed from hebrews where The Father Called the Son. GOD!! as far as My hostility toward a wolf in a sheep skin. Yes, Job hated evil and was right before God. what you have been doing in here in nothing but evil, so word it any way you want, I may hate your ways but still love you by praying that your eyes be open, or you can say that I hate you, for you are not whom you say you are, you are not here to learn, but to turn others to your ways. and in the name of love these moderators may allow you to go on and steal, destory and kill the truth that is suppose to be taught in here and may very well ban me for standing against you, but that is their call.

    I have tried to explain that the verses you use to tear down your so called lord and saviour, are verses while He was with the Flesh. 100% man and 100% God. Man enough to need food, yet God enough to feed the 5 thousand men ( not counting the women and children) He was God enough to die for you and me yet man enough that He needed help to carry the cross. You was God enough (John 1) to create eveything that was created and without Him was nothing made, yet man enough that He didn't know the day nor the hour that it would all end. man enough that He needed to rest in the boat, yet God enough to move to the front and calm the sea.


    Hello, My Lord and Saviour is Jesus Christ, hope you know Him as well. For he cares for you also
    John 1:14
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    John 1:1-3
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    KJV
     
  17. LantanaAnna

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    His Disciple, I hope we are all here to learn and respect others. And I hope we all understand that we don't have the understanding of our Savior in all matters.
     
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    Well I think we have come to a point were its better to agree to disagree. Doesn't mean I believe you are right or wrong just that I don't agree but not making myself right or wrong. But let me show my point WITHOUT MISQUOTING scripture.

    "
    if Jesus of the scriptures is your Saviour, He forgave you of your sins, then He is God"

    Hebrews 7:22-25

    King James Version (KJV)

    22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
    23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
    24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
    25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


    Here in verse 25 it says and I quote " he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him " So He(Jesus) is able ALSO to save. so what does that mean? that there is already One who can save now Jesus ALSO can save. Why can he ALSO save? And I Quote "that come unto God by him" Not because He is God but because they came unto God BY Him(Jesus) 2 separate beings. And how can this be possible? again and I quote "seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them" Jesus is our intercessor. No man get to the father but through Him. That is not to say that God can not forgive sins but that Jesus ALSO can forgive anyone who comes to God through Jesus. So you cant say I believe in Jesus alone and he can save you NO you must Believe in God and come to Him through Believing in Jesus and His sacrifice so that he could be an intercessor for mankind who had fallen away. Because mankind has fallen away we can not go straight to God and ask for forgiveness, we are not worthy therefor Jesus says NO MAN can get to the Father but by Me(Jesus) otherwise what he did was unnecessary.



    (I have already shown you and most everybody else in here has shown you From scriptures that Jesus is God)


    I disagree what you have shown me is your interpretation of scripture to fit your Idea that Jesus is God. I believe Ive shown numerous times by QUOTING scripture, not giving my interpretation were Jesus denies being God and several examples of His separate being.


    (yet you deny scriptures and quote the ones you want to quote trying to take away the deity of Your so called lord and saviour)


    I deny your interpretation of the scripture. How could there be verses in the bible that take away the deity of Jesus??? I quote KJV bible that's it.


    (you said that anyone can be almighty. God = ALMIGHTY, you or me can not be ALMIGHTY. You may be mighty but only God is ALMIGHTY!)


    You are correct here and I admit I was WRONG only God is Almighty by Abrahamic religion.


    (I have tried to explain that the verses you use to tear down your so called lord and saviour, are verses while He was with the Flesh. 100% man and 100% God)


    Show me in the bible were it says Jesus is 100% God 100% human and I will believe the bible depending on who said it. But I dont have to believe your interpretations once again...


    (yet God enough to feed the 5 thousand men ( not counting the women and children))


    I think you are misunderstood here. Jesus may have physically been the one to do this miracle but the miracle came from God.


    John 5:30

    King James Version (KJV)

    30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


    These are Jesus word from His own mouth and I quote "I can of mine own self do nothing". So now I ask you, Who feed 5000 men plus women and children???


    This 100% God 100% man your teaching is NOT in the bible!!! There is only ONE Almighty God and he is 100% God!!!
     
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    Kinda the way that the serpent's story given to Eve - changed the fundamental reality she had been given by God on exactly what happens if she were to eat from the forbidden tree.

    Those annunaki guys have been at it for a while.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    There is nothing in the OT from the Annunaki - unless count their leader's discussion with Eve - in Genesis 3. (And possibly that bit in Job 1 and 2 where their leader again gives his view of life on earth.)

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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