Fellowship Studying the Holy Spirit with Regent College Vancouver DE

[GoldenKingGaze]

Good day, Regent College Vancouver has responded to an email I sent asking about Gordon Fee and his lectures on the Holy Spirit in the Bible. Courses BIBL 509 and THEO 607. Although Gordon has fully retired, Rikk Watts PhD learned under Gordon and is a Pentecostal from Melbourne who still lectures. And the college says a guided study of BIBL 509 under Rikk by distance education is possible. I am interested perhaps beginning this November, probably February or July 2016. There is a course Fee. And to study you must have a degree or be 28 years old or older. It may be helpful for us to study together and keep contact, over the net. Interested?


Here are some relevant links:

http://www.regent-college.edu/


http://www.regent-college.edu/course-listing/course-details/THEO.607


BIBL 509 is about the Holy Spirit in the Pauline letters.


Best regards, GoldenKingGaze.

 

[Biblicist]

Now that's very interesting indeed!

 

[Alithis]

i guess its the whole "college thing" .. but teaching on things of the lord .. at a monetary cost $$$ i will always disagree with .
not saying whats been taught is this or that .. just that anytime money is involved .. then its a NO from me .(but that's a whole other topic )

 

[Biblicist]

i guess its the whole "college thing" .. but teaching on things of the lord .. at a monetary cost $$$ i will always disagree with .
not saying whats been taught is this or that .. just that anytime money is involved .. then its a NO from me .(but that's a whole other topic )

Why!

1Tim 5:18 For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.

So I guess that you are maybe also against giving money to our local church or for that matter paying salaries to church members. Does this mean that you are also against giving money to support missionaries and their families - I mean, shouldn't they be relying on their own resources and not ours?

 

[Alithis]

Why!

1Tim 5:18 For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.

So I guess that you are maybe also against giving money to our local church or for that matter paying salaries to church members. Does this mean that you are also against giving money to support missionaries and their families - I mean, shouldn't they be relying on their own resources and not ours?

..whole other topic ...

 

[Biblicist]

..whole other topic ...

Do you mean to say that those who teach are not labourers in the Word?

 

[Alithis]

Do you mean to say that those who teach are not labourers in the Word?

lol noo, i mean its a whole other topic

 

[Biblicist]

lol noo, i mean its a whole other topic

Now my fine feathered Kiwi brother, do you really think that I am going to let you go on this. How about we forget the Scripture and get back to why you feel that it is wrong to pay money for Christian education.

 

[Biblicist]

To be fair, when it comes to post-graduate courses they are certainly not something that I would suggest for everyone.

In fact, I often wonder about the value of long term under-graduate courses at say diploma level as they can be pretty basic, particularly for those who have had a fair bit of experience both in the Lord and with the Word; where in my view the results can be questioned.

Under-graduate courses have the problem in that they have to cover a lot of subjects which means that unless you have some superb lecturers working from within a great course outline, then for many these diploma courses can be almost counter productive. I really can't see much value in teaching basic Greek to most people as this really only has meaning for those who want to take up a teaching ministry.

But then there's the rather superb (and often expensive) post-graduate style online courses for mature students who want to hone their skills in particular areas. To be able to listen to lecturers from a college such as Regent would be wonderful and Rikki Watts being a protege and a good friend of Gordon Fee is certainly a plus. Rikki is named by Fee as being a research assistant for his book First Corinthians.

As the saying goes "There's horses for different courses" and the same goes for advanced Biblical studies/courses, be they at under-graduate or post-graduate level and then there's the wonderful and very popular option of taking these subjects online.

 

[Biblicist]

I wonder if their online students get full online access to their library resources and to the various offsite scholarly journals; I could happily pay a few hundred dollars per year for this type of priviledge.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

If we hire a brother to lecture us, he eats, and spends more time in the word and meditation than would be if carving wood alone to make a living. It gives us Christians and academic front so we are not speechless and disorganized. But I know Emmaus Bible College Sydney offers free courses but not for credit.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

I wonder if their online students get full online access to their library resources and to the various offsite scholarly journals; I could happily pay a few hundred dollars per year for this type of priviledge.

God and the Multiverse looks interesting and is free:
http://www.regentaudio.com/

 

[Alithis]

Now my fine feathered Kiwi brother, do you really think that I am going to let you go on this. How about we forget the Scripture and get back to why you feel that it is wrong to pay money for Christian education.

my your like a koala on a gum tree with this lol ..
i do not think it is wrong to pay a another christian to educate us ..
but then we would be commissioning them to do so and therefore they would be worthy of their wages .. some institutions are set up for the express purpose of doing so and their motivation is the profit line .. and the folks who mostly need the education can never attend or pay .
so i would agree more with paying the man to travel to an impoverished land and teach them for free at no cost to them .. let us with much aid them with little .

 

[Biblicist]

my your like a koala on a gum tree with this lol ..
i do not think it is wrong to pay a another christian to educate us ..
but then we would be commissioning them to do so and therefore they would be worthy of their wages .. some institutions are set up for the express purpose of doing so and their motivation is the profit line .. and the folks who mostly need the education can never attend or pay .

Hopefully I would be among the first to agree that many Bible "colleges" have been set up for what I would deem to be less than ideal reasons. This certainly occurrs at local church level where some leaders see a local based Bible school as being either a status symbol or a place where they can play out their ego. Over the years I can recall a number of these type of Bible "schools" which seem to come and go.

so i would agree more with paying the man to travel to an impoverished land and teach them for free at no cost to them .. let us with much aid them with little .

Now we could certainly send someone such as Dr. Rikk Watts (Regent) to maybe a semi-literate region where he could maybe try and teach them first and maybe even third year Greek (and Hebrew) along with some specialist hermeneutical tools; but wouldn't it be better to have him sitting in a well designed environment (with online services) where he could each year be involved with teaching many dozens of enthusiastic and reasonably experienced students who themselves could travel to these regions.

Don't forget, Regent and many other advanced colleges of Christian education have many online students from Third World regions (or at least those with good internet services) as students which helps to keep student costs down.

 

[Alithis]

last word is yours .. ..... oh....wait ..

 

[Biblicist]

last word is yours .. ..... oh....wait ..

I'm waiting; I even replaced my old keyboard last night which was a good thing because I was starting to think that it was the joints in my fingers that were playing up!

 

[Alithis]

I'm waiting; I even replaced my old keyboard last night which was a good thing because I was starting to think that it was the joints in my fingers playing up!

lol what are you waiting for ...im giving you the last word .. except if i say that then im doing the last word, so im confused now haha

 

[Biblicist]

lol what are you waiting for ...im giving you the last word .. except if i say that then im doing the last word, so im confused now haha

Hah, you threw me with the " oh wait" as I thought that you had something ready to post. Here I was with my new keyboard raring to go and then I had to sign off.

Though your point certainly had a degree of validity where Craig C. Keener is possibly one of those few theologians who appears to spend a lot of time (so I believe at least) in Africa. He was ordained with the African-American Baptist Church in 1991.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

For Module 509, there are a few books to study from. In module 607 many more. How does one accomplish all that reading?

 

[Biblicist]

For Module 509, here are the readings.
Carson DA Showing the Spirit, A Theological Exposition of 1 Corinthians, 12-14. Grand Rapids Michigan, Baker Book House 1987.
Gordon D Fee, God's Empowering Presence. The Holy Spirit in the Letters of St Paul. Peabody Massachusetts. Hendrickson Publishers 1994.
---------------------Paul the Spirit and the People of God. As above 1996.
Grudem WA, The Gift of Prophecy in 1 Corinthians. Washington DC University of Press of America. 1982.
James DG Dunn. Jesus and the Spirit. Philadelphia. The Westminster Press, 1975.
Martin RP. The Spirit and the congregation. Studies in 1 Corinthians 12-15. Grand Rapids, WB Eerdmans Publishing company 1984.
Swete HB. The Holy Spirit in the NT. Grand Rapids, Michigan Baker Book House. 1976. The Pauline Sections.

Interesting, I have the books that I have greyed out and I am looking for a reason to buy Dunn's important work on the Holy Spirit. Even though they are using some really great books, as they are a bit dated, I'm surprised that they haven't updated the syllabus since who knows when - but it would still be a great course.

Going by the text books that they are referring to, it seems that they are presenting a non-classic Pentecostal position regarding the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, which is the positon held by Carson, Dunn, Fee and Grudem.