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Stoning of Stephen

Discussion in 'History & Genealogy' started by narrowway, Oct 7, 2003.

  1. narrowway

    narrowway N the power of the Spirit

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    Can someone help me prove that Stephen was stoned in 34 A.D.?
    I need some historical evidence of this for a Bible study I am doing.
    Know of any good reference material?
    Please help!
    blessings!
     
  2. SonWorshipper

    SonWorshipper Old Timer

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    What is proof? No one can agree on the death of the Savior so that seems to be in conflict with this proof of a specific date of 34 AD that you want.

    Stephan was sentanced and stoned shortly after the resurection and Pentecost. Before Paul's conversion. But the proof of the year is tricky as the calendars differ on this in many camps.

    Picking that date can mean he was stoned 1 year after Yeshua's crucifixion or 3-4, depending on when you set the crucifixion date. I prefer 30AD.

    You might want to check out the works of Josephus to get a rough date from an outside the Bible resource.
     
  3. Islander

    Islander New Member

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    I agree with Sonworshipper that don't know a precise year. We know it was around the AD 30's.
     
  4. Goldstein

    Goldstein Gatherer.Of.Data

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    Stephen may have never existed, if so, his death is probably a revision of James the brother of Jesus's death.

     
  5. Goldstein

    Goldstein Gatherer.Of.Data

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    Try visiting the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem where the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) ascended to heaven. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Risen Tree

    Risen Tree previously Rising Tree

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    Was he standing on his head when he ascended?
     
  7. ps139

    ps139 Ab omni malo, libera nos, Domine!

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    ahahahahaha!!

    I normally dont bother posting laughter but this was was too funny :)
     
  8. TScott

    TScott Curmudgeon

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    An interesting possibility has been advanced that the stoning of Stephen and the stoning of James, the brother of Jesus are actually the same event. In Acts the stoning of Stephen follows a riot that is started by a man named Saul (Saulos). In Antiquities, Josephus describes the stoning of James following a riot started by Saulus. The dates, of course don't match, the stoning of Stephen taking place in the late thirties to early forties and the stoning of James taking place in the sixties, but it wouldn't be so unbelievable that the dates could have been superimposed with one another by 20 years when one considers that the authors were both recounting events in the past and that the earliest manuscripts of either piece we have today was penned hundreds of years after the original.
     
  9. cbk

    cbk Guest

    The date will not be proven. Exactly right, without the date of the crucifixion, it would be impossible to derive the date of the stoning.
     
  10. Goldstein

    Goldstein Gatherer.Of.Data

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    Doubt Stephen existed.
     
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  11. Goldstein

    Goldstein Gatherer.Of.Data

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    Acts seems to be a "based-on-a-true-story" book, only the stories that it's based on have nothing to do with the story Luke is trying to tell.
     
  12. crazyfingers

    crazyfingers New Member

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    St. Stephen

    Saint Stephen with a rose
    In and out of the garden he goes
    Country garden in the wind and the rain
    Wherever he goes the people all complain

    Stephen prosper in his time
    Well he may and he may decline
    Did it matter, does it now
    Stephen would answer if he only knew how

    Wishing well with a golden bell
    Bucket hanging clear to hell
    Hell halfway twixt now and then
    Stephen fill it up and lower down and lower down again

    Lady finger, dipped in moonlight
    Writing "What for?" across the morning sky
    Sunlight splatters, dawn with answer
    Darkness shrugs and bids the day goodbye

    Speeding arrow, sharp and narrow
    What a lot of fleeting matters you have spurned
    Several seasons with their treasons
    Wrap the babe in scarlet colors, call it your own

    Did he doubt or did he try
    Answers aplenty in the bye and bye
    Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills
    One man gathers what another man spills

    Saint Stephen will remain
    All he's lost he shall regain
    Seashore walk by the suds and the foam
    Been here so long, he's got to calling it home

    Fortune comes a drawlin', calliope woman
    Spinning that curious sense of your own
    Can you answer? Yes I can
    But what would be the answer to the answer-man

    Source: Grateful Dead
     
  13. ps139

    ps139 Ab omni malo, libera nos, Domine!

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    crazy fingers, do you have an interpretation of that song. I love the song but frankly I have no idea what its about. Any thoughts would be most appreciated.
     
  14. Godzman

    Godzman Peace

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    well there is no reason to doubt it, I mean it is up to people to not prove the existance of something, because if you can't prove it existed, there very well may be the possibility that it did.

    another subject though.

    I am not for probably in the mid 30's AD
     
  15. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus I AM WHAT I AM

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    Greetings. I am of the view the sames ones that stoned Stephen are also the ones shown in Revelation being stoned with Hailstones. Still working on this.

    http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7270970
    Acts 1 and Revelation 11 Ascending in cloud

    Acts 6:10 And not they were strong/iscuon <2480> (5707) to withstand to the wisdom and to the Spirit to which he talked.
    Acts 7:1 And the high-priest said, Are these things so?
    54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.
    59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [the Lord], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit

    Reve 12:8 and not He is strong/iscusan <2480> (5656), neither Place found of Them still in the Heaven. [Matt 21:43/Reve 20:11]

    Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb-kin" [Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]
     
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  16. Dale

    Dale Senior Veteran

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    Would Luke have known about Stephen's death as a martyr by stoning, if it occurred? Luke was a traveling companion of Paul and closely associated with Paul. If a young Saul/Paul witnessed the death of Stephen, Luke would certainly have heard about it.

    For evidence of Luke's association with Paul:

    "Our dear friend Luke, the doctor, and Demas send greetings."
    --Colossians 4:14 NIV

    "Epaphras, my fellow prisoner in Christ Jesus, sends you greetings. And so do Mark, Aristarchus, Demas and Luke, my fellow workers."
    --Philemon 24

    2 Timothy 4:11 opens, "Only Luke is with me."
    Second Timothy was written as Paul was a prisoner in Rome awaiting execution by beheading. It looks like Luke was in place to take Paul's final confession, if he needed one.


    I don't see any doubt that Luke had access to the best information he could possibly have had, next to being an eyewitness. Luke had no need to make up any stories on this subject.

    In addition, the stoning of Stephen was part of the persecution the early Christians in Jerusalem. This persecution caused many Christians to flee to other places, other Jewish communities, in the Roman world. This, in turn, helped to spread Christianity, and we know that this spreading of Christianity did happen.

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  17. Dale

    Dale Senior Veteran

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    Harper's Bible Dictionary says, on the Gospel of Luke, "This Gospel, together with the Acts of the Apostles, originally formed a two-volume teatise . . ." which were only later separated.
    Further, "Their original close connection, however, is proved by their similarity of vocabulary, style, and outlook, and by their common dedication to Theophilus (Luke 1:3; Acts 1:1)".


    In short, the Acts of the Apostles was not an afterthought but was composed about the same time as the Gospel of Luke.
     
  18. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus I AM WHAT I AM

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    Just the opposite of Judaism it seems. I view those who stoned "stephen" as the ones in Revelation who were instigated by the Judean rulers. Thoughts?

    Matthew 21:43 Therefore I am saying to ye, that shall be being taken-away from Ye the Kingdom of the God, and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the fruits of it.

    Acts 6:10 And not they were strong/iscuon <2480> (5707) to withstand to the wisdom and to the Spirit to which he talked.

    Reve 12:8 and not He is strong/iscusan <2480> (5656), neither Place found of Them still in the Heaven. [Matt 21:43/Reve 20:11]
     
  19. Dale

    Dale Senior Veteran

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    LittleLambofJesus:
    " I view those who stoned "stephen" as the ones in Revelation who were instigated by the Judean rulers. Thoughts?"

    Are you referring to the two witnesses who are killed? And then rise?
    I don't see any connection with Stephen.
     
  20. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus I AM WHAT I AM

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