STILL no actual evidence FOR creation

[BlueBrown]

Does the Pope know you're here?

Sneeze consol sneeze

 

[AV1611VET]

Sneeze consol sneeze

No doubt in my mind.

(He's getting better at punctuation, but that's probably someone typing for him.)

 

[joshua 1 9]

it is not clear to me where the evidence for a miracle in the picture is.

A miracle is something without flaw or error. It is impossible for there to be a mistake, flaw or error in the beginning. As a carpenter that has done construction work: I know how essential it is to build on a sure foundation. That is why no man can build on any foundation other then the foundation set by Jesus.

 

[SteveB28]

If evolution theory is evidence based, then what I am asking for, (demonstrable evidence of it's factuality) should be an easy thing to produce.

Are you familiar with endogenous retroviruses?

 

[Mark Stacy]

No doubt in my mind.

(He's getting better at punctuation, but that's probably someone typing for him.)

I don't know what you are talking about but there is little doubt in my mind that your mind is completely shot, you are in a world of your own.

 

[Picky Picky]

A miracle is something without flaw or error. It is impossible for there to be a mistake, flaw or error in the beginning. As a carpenter that has done construction work: I know how essential it is to build on a sure foundation. That is why no man can build on any foundation other then the foundation set by Jesus.

It has no kind of fault or flaw, And I, my Lords, embody the Law. Or, perhaps, others might think differently.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It has no kind of fault or flaw, And I, my Lords, embody the Law. Or, perhaps, others might think differently.

We live in a fallen world and the theory of evolution does not take that into consideration.

 

[SteveB28]

We live in a fallen world and the theory of evolution does not take that into consideration.

That's right. It only takes account of those things for which evidence exists. Your claimed "fallen world" doesn't qualify.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We live in a fallen world and the theory of evolution does not take that into consideration.

Fallen from what?

 

[AV1611VET]

Fallen from what?

Grace.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Grace.

And what is this "Grace" thing you speak of?

 

[AV1611VET]

And what is this "Grace" thing you speak of?

Unmerited favor.

Free gift.

God's Riches At Christ's Expense

There are three types of judgments:

1. Justice = getting what you deserve = an eye for an eye
2. Mercy = not getting what you deserve = Hell
3. Grace = getting what you don't deserve = Heaven

 

[TLK Valentine]

Unmerited favor.

Free gift.

God's Riches At Christ's Expense

There are three types of judgments:

1. Justice = getting what you deserve = an eye for an eye
2. Mercy = not getting what you deserve = Hell
3. Grace = getting what you don't deserve = Heaven

Are you saying there's no Grace anymore? All gone? Finito?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying there's no Grace anymore? All gone? Finito?

No.

What gave you that idea?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No.

What gave you that idea?

Someone said we were "fallen" from Grace... that implies that it's gone now...

 

[AV1611VET]

Someone said we were "fallen" from Grace... that implies that it's gone now...

"Fallen from grace" is a Biblical term, taken from:

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Some say it means you can lose your salvation.

Others say it means you have fallen from the concept of grace.

 

[TLK Valentine]

"Fallen from grace" is a Biblical term, taken from:

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Some say it means you can lose your salvation.

Others say it means you have fallen from the concept of grace.

So there was Grace before, and there still is now. Sounds like nothing has changed, actually.

 

[AV1611VET]

So there was Grace before, and there still is now. Sounds like nothing has changed, actually.

People from Adam on have been saved by grace through faith.

Old Testament saints looked forward to the Cross; New Testament saints look back at It.

John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

 

[TLK Valentine]

People from Adam on have been saved by grace through faith.

Old Testament saints looked forward to the Cross; New Testament saints look back at It.

John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Point is, nothing's changed. The world is as it has always been, by your own admission.

 

[Myrtle Stics]

Under the direction of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth. From the scriptures of Phrophet Joseph Smith we know that the Lord made the world out of things that already existed.