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Spilling the seed (semen) questions....

Discussion in 'Questions From Singles About Marriage' started by CounselorForChrist, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. CounselorForChrist

    CounselorForChrist Senior Veteran

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    I am engaged to someone and this question is being asked for when we are married. I want to ask now because its seems very confusing. I apologize if I am blunt about this. Theres really no other way to ask. And yes I am very serious about this. I want to make sure everything I do is correct!

    I was always taught a man should not spill his seed (semen). Which might I add confuses me when it comes to masturbation, buts thats another topic. My question(s) are/is am I taken the line about spilling the seed out of context?

    A few examples are when I am married and I use a condom, am I sinning by letting the sperm be in the condom and die off?

    Another thing along the same lines is I don't want to get my wife pregnant because of issues I don't wish to discuss. So if I pull out and let the semon spill is that a sin to?

    Lastly what about when it comes to, um... your wife using her mouth? Is this also considered a sin? Someone told me (again I apologize for the bluntness) that its a sin if she spits it out. But if she swallows then its not a sin because somewhere in the Songs of Samson (?) it talks about her eating his fruit or something.


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    I might as well ask while I have the topic up. If for some reason she gets pregant and we use the morning after pill, is that considered abortion and a sin? My health is very complex and I fear having a child as sick as me because not only will the childs life be rough, but I get SSI and cannot afford to have a child. Theres also the issue of because of my disabilities I may not be able to raise them properly. I guess I could have the dotor do that thing where the cut me so I can't have children.
     
  2. Luther073082

    Luther073082 κύριε ἐλέησον χριστὲ ἐλέησον

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    Yes, the line about spilling the seed in context was a man in the OT who had to marry, I think it was his brother's wife because his brother died. And because of that it was his responsibility to have a child with her in his brother's place so someone can inherit for his brother.

    This was a command from God that things be done like that at the time. The man apparently didn't want to do it, perhaps so he could take his brother's things for himself, perhaps because he didn't want to raise a child in his brother's name.

    Either way he slept with his brother's wife, but instead of trying to get her pregnant, he pulled out and . . . spilled his seed.

    His sin wasn't the pulling out. . . it was disobeying God.

    Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are against this based on tradition that their church teaches. Most protestant churchs arn't against this in the context of marriage. So you are fine using a condom with you wife IMO. Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox would disagree.

    No

    No problems with that.


    You might have to get more help in this regard. There are several different types of Morning after pills and I don't think they all have a drug that could cause an abortion but some do. Many work by attempting to prevent ovulation.

    In any case though a morning after pill is considered emergency contraception. For someone who's married but not wanting to have children, the regular contraception should be figured out ahead of time. So you shouldn't need it.

    Emergency contraception is not as reliable as other forms of contraception anyways.
     
  3. CounselorForChrist

    CounselorForChrist Senior Veteran

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    iambren Newbie

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    Yeah, Luther. Good work!
     
  5. Niffer

    Niffer Hook, Line and Sinker

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    The morning after pill, stops a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall.
    My belief is that life begins once an egg is fertilized, therefore taking something too effectively destroy that egg, or keep it from implanting to me is abortion.
    If you don't think condoms are a good enough resistance against pregnancy, then perhaps a vasectomy is the way to go.
    Here's some info on the pill. :)
    How Does it Work? - Morning After Pill

    Peace,
    Niff
     
  6. CounselorForChrist

    CounselorForChrist Senior Veteran

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    I could always (and probably will) just get my self snipped so I can't have kids! Although more then likley my fiance will have to get it down because my doctor is unsure of it with the stuff I have wrong. Which really sucks because I know its much more damaging for a woman to get it done. I'd much rather have it done then her.
     
  7. Bella Vita

    Bella Vita Sailor in the U.S.N

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    I personally am not against birth control methods my husband and I use the pill and condoms...

    You are fine to use a condom, pull out method, or even the pill it is not abortion or a sin. You can try to wait and have children if God wants you to have one you will no matter what method you are using. The morning after pill or Plan B is fine it will not terminate an already existing pregnancy read the fine print it will not cause an abortion.

    The man in the Bible who was in trouble for this was because in the OT you had to marry your brothers widow it was the law. He only wanted sex and no responsibility so God struck him dead for disobeying his commandment to have a family with his dead brothers wife. totally different situation from today.

    If you don;t ever want children of your own you should get snipped and be done with it.
     
  8. LinkH

    LinkH Regular Member

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    Another poster dealt with this. I agree that the sin of Onan was in not raising up seed to his brother. It was a pretty sleazy thing to do, to take as his own his his late brother's wife and sleep with her, something he was to do to have a child with her---and then engage in coitus interruptus to avoid having the child. It sounds like he just wanted the sex without the responsibility. A lot of fornicators have the same kind of attitude.

    Roman Catholics and certain Orthodox Jews believe a man should finish in the birth canal (can you use the other words on this forum?) My guess is Orthodox Jews might allow for exceptions if there were health concerns, but I am not sure. There are numerous opinions on every topic in that religion.

    Masturbation has been termed 'onanism' after Onan based on Roman Catholic interpretations that the sin was in spilling the seed. But a lot of Protestants don't think it is a sin to waste seed. There are a variety of opinions on everything. Birth control is not specifically forbidden in the Bible and Protestants tend to believe in faith and practice coming from scripture and not tradition. Roman Catholics place some weight on holy tradition in addition to scripture.

    There are special names for men and women who use this technique of birth control: Mommy and Daddy. Some experts believe that preseminal fluid can cause pregnancy.

    I don't recall that particular passage in the Song of Solomon. I would think a reference to eating fruit meaning swallowing that particular fluid would be a big stretch of interpretation. The only possible reference to this sort of oral activity in the book I have read about is the verse that talks about the woman's naval being like a goblet that never lacks mixed wine. I can understand the argument, but he could be talking about a perfect 'inny' belly-button, especially if Solomon liked their women a little chunky back then. :) The argument is based on the idea that a related word for 'naval' in Arabic was a euphemism for female private parts. To assume that is true of the cognate in Hebrew seems a huge leap in my opinion.

    I am of the opinion that once the egg cell is fertilized, we should do our best to protect human life. Many zygotes, fertilized egg cells, are lost naturally, miscarriages that no one is aware of. Luke 1 indicates that John was a human being, a baby, inside the womb. I don't have a verse for when life should be protected, but I don't think we should play around with that.

    There are several types of birth control that do or can cause abortion. here are some of them.

    The morning after pill can cause an abortion
    The pill can cause an abortion

    It can either prevent ovulation or prevent the baby from attaching to the uteral wall and therefore cause him or her to be aborted.

    The IUD in all it's various forms causes abortion

    It prevents babies from attaching to the wall of the uterus.

    Btw, I am not a doctor, but I played one on TV.
     
  9. jinksto

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    That's an awesome quote. Thanks for making me chuckle.

    I think everyone is pretty much right here. However, I don't agree with the use of PlanB or other "morning after" solutions. As I (personally) believe them to be an early form of abortion.

    Condoms are fine for a while (IMHO) but get to be a pain to use after a few years. Definitely seek long term solutions since you have medical disabilities as even condoms aren't 100% safe and if having a child will put you in dire straights you need to be very careful. If possible "getting snipped" is probably the easiest on both of you and is (I think) the most easily reversible if He gives you cause to doubt that decision later. Still, you've noted that physical ailments might cause this to be dangerous... follow your doctors guidance here.

    In the case of oral... um... solutions, I don't think it matters either way. Once the deed is done it doesn't matter what you do with it. Swallowing won't make the act more or less holy.

    The core argument against any form of birth control is generally Genesis 1:28 and Genesis chapter 38 which discuss the acts of Onan mentioned earlier. As others have suggested I believe Onan's sin to be disobedience rather than the act itself. Further, under new covenants this requirement doesn't exist.

    The Genesis 1:28 command (God's first command to us) is a little harder to argue but is a little less direct as well. It's up to you to decide how this applies to your faith.
     
  10. cutie76

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    I was going to ask you about having a vasectomy since it sounds like you're both very sure you do not want to have children naturally due to your illness.

    Has your fiancee talked to her OBGyn about all of the contraceptive options for her? Getting her tubes tied is very invasive and perhaps there is something else she can choose. There are implants that last for several years that may be an option too.

    Just a thought.
     
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