Speaking in Tongues
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Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel...
Is this the same "Shambach who in the 1999 the Praise-A-Thon promised if people make the 2000 dollar faith pledge to TBN, not only will God give them the 2000 dollars before the year 2000 but he will also make themtotally debt free and their WHOLE family will be saved before the year 2000?"
Wow...I missed the boat on that one.
Wow...I missed the boat on that one.
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Let’s face it - If the manifestation of speaking in tongues was a halo appeared, - no, that wouldn't be acceptable to some. Or if an angel appeared, oh no, some folks definitely wouldn't like that either. Okay, if there was a manifestation that was accepted to every believer - wonder what that would actually be? Anyway, if that was possible, we weren't have half of these discussions about speaking in tongues.
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I was tempted to reply, "show us some of that and see what we do before you pass judgment," but there is a bigger point to be made. You can sneer, but the reason that good Christian people believe that tongues have ceased is because...
...tongues ceased.
That's right. From the times of the Apostolic Church, when these gifts were apparently widespread in order to fulfill God's purposes until recent years, there were no tongues in evidence except for an occasional and unverified reporting of some stray holy man or other--certainly not anything generally to be witnessed. Tongues ceased. To be a cessationist all one has to do is notice that tongues ceased. It's not a preference among us to be cessationists; it's the observation of a fact.
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I became a Charismatic shortly after I was first saved. Kenneth Hagin had a book on tongues that suggested (in spiritual terms of course) a person should start speaking anything (gibberish) and this would turn into the tongues. I was new to the whole tongue speaking environment (raised Roman Catholic) so I went along with this. Because I had such a hunger for the Lord, the more I studied, the more I listened to teachers like John MacArthur who didn't take phrases out of context and looked at the meaning of the Greek and Aramaic words, the more I started to question what was being taught.
The "words of knowledge" and the "prophecies" interpreted from the tongues spoken by the church leaders did not come to pass. The teaching got so strange (very New Age) that my wife and I left. A different gospel was being taught. I suspect your discomfort is similar to the discomfort my wife and I felt before we left that church. As to your question about who tongues benefit, I can only answer from my own experience. And that is the one doing the interpreting can shape words no one else understands to mean whatever suits their purpose.
I don't know if tongues have totally ceased are not. But would I skeptically receive any "new knowledge" and test it against the proven Word, the Bible, before acting on or accepting it.
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I was reared GARBC - General Association of Registered Baptist Churches - Located up there in Michigan somewhere. When I was a teenager I thought that all Catholics were going to hell and the speaking of tongues was of the devil. I would not touch a Catholic or near Pentecostalism with a ten foot pole!
And then I spent a summer here with my Grandmother in Virginia. Her neighbors were farmers so I fell in with them. As I would dwell with the people they would invite me to the Pentecostal Holiness church. As the summer came to the end I was at the alter after each service falling in with the people. At one particular revival one of the saints of the church came behind me praying for me. As he was praying warm tears were falling from his cheeks and hitting my shoulder. As a guy who didn't like to be touched this was profound. That evening I can only express the sensation using a few lines from John Bunyans Pilgrims Progress..
Now I saw in my dream, that the highway up which Christian was to go, was fenced on either side with a wall, and that wall was called Salvation. Isaiah 26:10. Up this way, therefore, did burdened Christian run, but not without great difficulty, because of the load on his back.
He ran thus till he came at a place somewhat ascending; and upon that place stood a cross, and a little below, in the bottom, a sepulcher. So I saw in my dream, that just as Christian came up with the cross, his burden loosed from off his shoulders, and fell from off his back, and began to tumble, and so continued to do till it came to the mouth of the sepulcher, where it fell in, and I saw it no more.
Then was Christian glad and lightsome, and said with a merry heart, He hath given me rest by his sorrow, and life by his death. Then he stood still a while, to look and wonder; for it was very surprising to him that the sight of the cross should thus ease him of his burden. He looked, therefore, and looked again, even till the springs that were in his head sent the waters down his cheeks. Zech 12:10. Now as he stood looking and weeping, behold, three Shining Ones came to him, and saluted him with, Peace be to thee. So the first said to him, Thy sins be forgiven thee, Mark 2:5; the second stripped him of his rags, and clothed him with change of raiment, Zech 3:4: the third also set a mark on his forehead, Eph 1:13, and gave him a roll with a seal upon it, which he bid him look on as he ran, and that he should give it in at the celestial gate: so they went their way. Then Christian gave three leaps for joy, and went on singing,
After that experience I lay down on my Grandmothers bed. My Grandmother was a very clean and decent woman and I could smell my clothesline fresh surroundings as well as hear the kady dids singing (this night it was as if they were praising the Lord) in the back drop with fire flies coming up our hill. Then for the first time in my life the Holy Spirit began to talk. When I went back to school that year people would want to sit next to me in church so 'a little of that' would rub off on them. I wish I could say that I kept that spiritual experience alive in my own personal life, but as Pentecostals are in and out of revival, have had my challenges.
I find that the reason why many are not as far a long as they should be is because they have too many Uzziah's in them. it's like... How arrogant was that guy!
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. - Isaiah 6:1
To receive the true Baptism in the Holy Ghost the Uzziah must die!
1. Outer Gates - Justification: Everything begins with faith
2. Alter - Salvation: Accepting Jesus in our hearts
3. Laver - Sanctification: Conforming to a righteous believers standard
--- Inner Temple: The work of grace inside our hearts
4. Candlestick - Spiritual E (love, motivation) / c2 (faith, hope , charity, joy)
5. Table of Shewbread - The Word of God
6. Alter of Golden Incense - Prayer and praise
--The veil: The eye of the needle (Matthew 19:24)
7. The Ark of the Covenant - The Baptism in the Holy Ghost: The Shekinah Glory!
Holy Ghost Baptism (w/ Darlene Zschech): Seymour-Azusa Street - YouTube
And then I spent a summer here with my Grandmother in Virginia. Her neighbors were farmers so I fell in with them. As I would dwell with the people they would invite me to the Pentecostal Holiness church. As the summer came to the end I was at the alter after each service falling in with the people. At one particular revival one of the saints of the church came behind me praying for me. As he was praying warm tears were falling from his cheeks and hitting my shoulder. As a guy who didn't like to be touched this was profound. That evening I can only express the sensation using a few lines from John Bunyans Pilgrims Progress..
Now I saw in my dream, that the highway up which Christian was to go, was fenced on either side with a wall, and that wall was called Salvation. Isaiah 26:10. Up this way, therefore, did burdened Christian run, but not without great difficulty, because of the load on his back.
He ran thus till he came at a place somewhat ascending; and upon that place stood a cross, and a little below, in the bottom, a sepulcher. So I saw in my dream, that just as Christian came up with the cross, his burden loosed from off his shoulders, and fell from off his back, and began to tumble, and so continued to do till it came to the mouth of the sepulcher, where it fell in, and I saw it no more.
Then was Christian glad and lightsome, and said with a merry heart, He hath given me rest by his sorrow, and life by his death. Then he stood still a while, to look and wonder; for it was very surprising to him that the sight of the cross should thus ease him of his burden. He looked, therefore, and looked again, even till the springs that were in his head sent the waters down his cheeks. Zech 12:10. Now as he stood looking and weeping, behold, three Shining Ones came to him, and saluted him with, Peace be to thee. So the first said to him, Thy sins be forgiven thee, Mark 2:5; the second stripped him of his rags, and clothed him with change of raiment, Zech 3:4: the third also set a mark on his forehead, Eph 1:13, and gave him a roll with a seal upon it, which he bid him look on as he ran, and that he should give it in at the celestial gate: so they went their way. Then Christian gave three leaps for joy, and went on singing,
After that experience I lay down on my Grandmothers bed. My Grandmother was a very clean and decent woman and I could smell my clothesline fresh surroundings as well as hear the kady dids singing (this night it was as if they were praising the Lord) in the back drop with fire flies coming up our hill. Then for the first time in my life the Holy Spirit began to talk. When I went back to school that year people would want to sit next to me in church so 'a little of that' would rub off on them. I wish I could say that I kept that spiritual experience alive in my own personal life, but as Pentecostals are in and out of revival, have had my challenges.
I find that the reason why many are not as far a long as they should be is because they have too many Uzziah's in them. it's like... How arrogant was that guy!
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. - Isaiah 6:1
To receive the true Baptism in the Holy Ghost the Uzziah must die!
1. Outer Gates - Justification: Everything begins with faith
2. Alter - Salvation: Accepting Jesus in our hearts
3. Laver - Sanctification: Conforming to a righteous believers standard
--- Inner Temple: The work of grace inside our hearts
4. Candlestick - Spiritual E (love, motivation) / c2 (faith, hope , charity, joy)
5. Table of Shewbread - The Word of God
6. Alter of Golden Incense - Prayer and praise
--The veil: The eye of the needle (Matthew 19:24)
7. The Ark of the Covenant - The Baptism in the Holy Ghost: The Shekinah Glory!
Holy Ghost Baptism (w/ Darlene Zschech): Seymour-Azusa Street - YouTube
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God gives Gifts to people the people who are talented in Music, or people have many more than one Gift. Tongues is a Gift, a person who speaks more than one language, such as german, Spanish and other languages.
On the day of pentacost, but he did not give a special language to anyone group or religion. Talking in tongues is indeed a foreign language, but not unknown language as those that you read in the 2nd chapter of Acts. People who were there heard the gospel being preached in their native tongue.
I went to a pentecostal meeting with my mother who was a pentecostal, and I witness a women speaking or I'm not sure what she was saying, but there was no interpreter so what ever she had to say no one understood, that was not the only time.
My mother and I have different opinions and beliefs especially on the special language, that pentecostals claim to have, God did change the language of man at the Tower of Babel, If God wants to talk to you or me he is God and you will understand what he has to say, in the Language you can understand.
God talked to moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob there was no misunderstandings and no where in the Bible does it say there is a special Language or tongue to speak to God. I come from the show me State, please show me?
Before you Judge make sure you have your act together first, and know what you can prove, because I read about gifts but not the interpretation that Pentecostals claim and from what I have read Pentecostal truth, not anything you have said has proven that your claim is right and the other person is wrong. Name calling is real Christian?
On the day of pentacost, but he did not give a special language to anyone group or religion. Talking in tongues is indeed a foreign language, but not unknown language as those that you read in the 2nd chapter of Acts. People who were there heard the gospel being preached in their native tongue.
I went to a pentecostal meeting with my mother who was a pentecostal, and I witness a women speaking or I'm not sure what she was saying, but there was no interpreter so what ever she had to say no one understood, that was not the only time.
My mother and I have different opinions and beliefs especially on the special language, that pentecostals claim to have, God did change the language of man at the Tower of Babel, If God wants to talk to you or me he is God and you will understand what he has to say, in the Language you can understand.
God talked to moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob there was no misunderstandings and no where in the Bible does it say there is a special Language or tongue to speak to God. I come from the show me State, please show me?
Before you Judge make sure you have your act together first, and know what you can prove, because I read about gifts but not the interpretation that Pentecostals claim and from what I have read Pentecostal truth, not anything you have said has proven that your claim is right and the other person is wrong. Name calling is real Christian?
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Wasn't directed at him and my sarcasm was in relation to a false teacher, as done at times in the OT.
Also, when using sarcasm in return, make sure said sarcasm is directed at correct post, poster, postee, etc., for it loses it's effectiveness.
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