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Something I didn't know about black holes that blew my mind!

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by DontTreadOnMike, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. DontTreadOnMike

    DontTreadOnMike Eddaic Literalist

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    I thought we could all use a break from the debating and just talking about something that almost everybody can get interested in: the weirdness of black holes!

    A physicist posted the following thing on Reddit the other day. He was answering a question about if it would be possible to escape a black hole if you could travel faster than the speed of light.

    *Guitar Solo!*
     
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  2. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    Black holes do not exist.

    "...in the present state of our experimental knowledge, nothing entitles us to suppose that singular points (in four dimensions) may exist in the Universe." -- Marcel Brillouin, mathematician, January 1923

    "... the 'Schwarzschild singularities' do not exist in physical reality." -- Albert Einstein, mathematician, 1939

    "Even mainstream scientists admit that at singularities the ‘laws of physics’ break down. It would be more accurate to say that their own theories break down." -- David Pratt, natural philosopher, 2005

    "Physics is first and foremost the study of objects. Without objects, we can have no Physics. The black hole does not belong in Physics because it is not a physical object. It is, rather, an irrational concept and as such does not even belong in Philosophy. The astronomers should not be pointing their telescopes to the skies in search of black holes. They should be reading the definition of the word object." -- Bil Gaede, physicist, April 2009
     
  3. DontTreadOnMike

    DontTreadOnMike Eddaic Literalist

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    Notice the date of this quote. How many things have been discovered since then?


    Albert Einstein refused to accept quantum mechanics all together. He was wrong. Period.

    So what? WHo is this guy? What in the world is a "natural philosopher" and how does that qualify him to comment on physics? We don't yet understand exactly what happens at the point of singularity. If you read the quote above (which I doubt you did), he covered that already.

    Particles are object. And that's the cool thing about science. It doesn't matter WHO says what, only what is said. Einstein's theories on general relativity were a great contribution to science, but he was wrong about quantum mechanics. And that's ok. Appeals to authority don't carry any weight, only what is said. The scientific consensus is that black holes exist. Some scientists might disagree, but it's up to them to give a better explanation for the things we see happening in the universe. Oh that's right, you probably haven't heard, there is actually physical evidence that seems to point to the existence of black holes. They're not just equations on blackboards anymore.



    ALL OF THAT SAID, I didn't really want this to be a debate thread.
     
  4. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    Like what?

    Since then, it's been rediscovered that black holes do not exist in physical reality.

    I agree that Albert Einstein was wrong about gravitation and General Relativity. However, Albert Einstein was very right about black holes. They are a figment of your imagination. Black holes exist only in the minds of their creators such as yourself.

    Who are you?

    Black holes do not exist.

    I suggest you look it up in the dictionary.

    LOL.

    Natural philosophers study nature -- thus no one is more qualified to speak on physics.

    FYI: Physics means nature in Greek.

    Singularities do not exist in physical reality.
     
  5. Shemjaza

    Shemjaza Regular Member

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    So what do we see out in the void when massive gravity lenses distort the stars?

    Cutting edge science from 1923... why didn't I think of that?

    Ah yes... care to offer a better explanation? Perhaps Vishnu and Zeus were running an experiment on their star ship on a mission from Space Emperor Jesus?

    Begs the question.
     
  6. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    I can tell you what we don't see and that's void.

    There is no void.

    "It is evident, then, that it is easy to refute the arguments by which they prove the existence of the void." -- Aristotle, Physics, Book IV

    "...there is no void...." -- Aristotle, Physics, Book IV

    It doesn't.

    Gravitation is a myth and gravitational lensing is an even bigger myth.

    Please show me the gravitational lensing in this photograph.

    [​IMG]

    Dowdye, E.H. Jr., Profound Fundamentals of Mathematical Physics Seriously Misapplied to Gravitational Lensing, Dec 2008

    Since it is alleged photons have no mass by f=ma it is impossible for gravitation to act on light.

    Gravitation is from the 17th century and General Relativity from around 1923 (1915 to be precise). I agree they are outdated.

    Jupiter is a star ship i.e. planet.
     
  7. Doveaman

    Doveaman Created, not Evolved

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    Black holes are weird because they are make belief science fiction. Better know as "Fairie Dust" [Fabricated Ad hoc Inventions Repeatedly Invoked in Efforts to Defend Untenable Scientific Theories].

    More Fairie Dust - Dark Energy and Dark Matter.
     
  8. DontTreadOnMike

    DontTreadOnMike Eddaic Literalist

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    Can you explain what a blackhole is and why it can't exist without copypasta?
     
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    KIYX Junior Member

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    Of course not.
     
  10. DontTreadOnMike

    DontTreadOnMike Eddaic Literalist

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    Well then, back to the topic at hand...


    ISN'T THAT AWESOME?! (did you read the OP?)
     
  11. Cute Tink

    Cute Tink Whatever

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    Show me where China is in this photograph or you have to agree that it doesn't exist...

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Ar Cosc

    Ar Cosc I only exist on the internet

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    Aristotle disagrees with you:

    "...that which was white becomes black...by a process of change"

    Clearly a reference to light being trapped by the gravity of a black hole.
     
  13. DontTreadOnMike

    DontTreadOnMike Eddaic Literalist

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    Ar Cosc I only exist on the internet

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    "we try to see the lens through which we look, we can see...the future." Alan Dundes, folklorist, 1984

    A reference to gravitational lensing and time dilation. AoS, the greatest minds of the generation, as well as the ancient Greeks you revere so much, are against you.
     
  15. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    LOL...^_^
     
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    Tielec Organisational Psychologist

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    Wow, OP has some very evocative imagery. I'm not very good at physics so some parts of it don't make alot of sense, but it is still a hauntingly beautiful piece of prose - all the better because it is true.
     
  18. KIYX

    KIYX Junior Member

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    Indeed, very very impressive.

    I'd love to see a animation of it.
     
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    Neze Newbie

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    Is it not somewhat pointless to debate about topics that largely exist of theories instead of facts anyway? :)
    Could it be possible that the whole concept of black holes are too complex to be fully understood - limited to this dimension? Just wondering :)
     
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