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Socialism - An Evil Concept

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by clirus, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. LightHorseman

    LightHorseman New Member Supporter

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    Comforting to assume so, but post count and consistency of tone and message suggest he's legit. Scary, yes, but so long as such views remain an extreme outlier, we'll all be OK. When such views edge towrds the mainstream, well, I'd say "run for the hills", but I rather suspect thats the direction they'll be coming from.
     
  2. TheReasoner

    TheReasoner Former christian, current teapot agnostic.

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    Yep. I'm thinking a strategy akin to that preferred in many zombie movies might be preferrable: Find a supermarket or mall. Fortify it. Arm yourselves. And wait it out.
     
  3. jgarden

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    1. Despite being the wealthiest, most powerful nation in the history of the world, the 2009 Human Development Index (based on 2007 data) ranks the United States at lucky #13. The vast majority of the top 25 nations, including those ranked 1-12 would be considered "Socialist and Atheistic" by "clirus' " standards.

    2. Warren Buffett, whom "clirus" concludes is "an evil person," (apparently anyone/anything with whom "clirus" disagrees is considered evil) has arranged to give 85% of his wealth to charity, making him the 2nd most generous philanthropist in the world, Both he and Bill Gates (the most generous philanthropist), the "high priests" of "capitalism" (the system "clirus" considers most compatible with Christianity) in America and the world also happen to be "atheists."
     
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  4. jameseb

    jameseb Fighting fatuity one post at a time

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    Christ didn't advocate any system of government. I'm sure if Christ wanted to be a political advocate, he would have spoken against the harsh, imperial Roman rule, but instead told his followers to give unto Caesar what is his.

    Clirus, a system of government cannot inherently be good or evil... no more than a tablespoon could be. You have a lot of passion and feeling about this, but it is misplaced.
     
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    peadar1987 New Member

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    You haven't heard Clirus' explanation of the Caesar quote. She believes... wait for it... that Jesus was being sarcastic when he said that!
     
  6. jameseb

    jameseb Fighting fatuity one post at a time

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    I certainly hope that's not what she/he really believes, and hopefully Clirus will address this.
     
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    jgarden Senior Veteran

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    "I believe Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism is the best system" - The personal wealth of Bill Gates (atheist) alone is equal to 40% of the households of America (approximately 120 million people). When you add the wealth of Warren Buffett and George Soros, both billionaire atheits - so much for "clirus' " Capitalism/Christianity connection.
     
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  8. MacFall

    MacFall Agorist

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    Mandatory school prayer seems to be a popular one. Although I've never found scriptural basis for forcing people to practice Christian rituals. Nor, in fact, for having the rituals in the first place.
     
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    MacFall Agorist

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    Not that I'm completely taking clirus' side here, but that leaves out an awful lot of context. Everyone quotes "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's", but hardly ever do they continue on to the second half: "and unto God, that which is God's".

    Tiberius Caesar (whose portrait was on the coin under discussion) claimed to be a god, and according to him, EVERYTHING was his. The Jews, on the other hand, believed that God was God, and everything was his. It wasn't a sarcastic question, it was a very clear and frank challenge for the listeners to choose their allegiance, to God or to Caesar.

    He never actually said that anyone should pay taxes to any particular ruler or state, because he never defined what, if anything, actually belonged to Caesar. And one can hardly assume that Caesar owns everything that Caesar claims, simply by virtue of his being Caesar and having laid his claws on it.
     
  10. clirus

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    Government is not inherently good or evil, but the government will be controlled by people that are good or evil.

    When the government is controlled by evil people, the government will be evil by advocating evil activities like pornography, abortion and homosexuality.

    If democrats are in control of the government, Atheism and Socialism will be advocated by the government.

    If Republicans are in control of the government, Christianity and Capitalism will be advocated by the government.

    Even with the Republicans in control of the government, I am concerned because Christians do not participate in becoming candidates for office.

    The Atheists would like to see Romney as the Republican presidential candidate, but I would never vote for Romney until he renounced his actions in Mass. that produced homosexual marriage and a state universal health care system. Romney is what I consider to be a Liberal Christian.

    Nothing belongs to Caesar, but I believe in paying taxes when the money is used to protect good people and punish evil people.
     
  11. clirus

    clirus New Member

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    Although I am a member of a Southern Baptist Church, but I refer to myself as being an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist. I believe Southern Baptist are too liberal and too much into the type of social ministry that you seemed to describe.

    I do not believe social ministries nor Socialism work for the following reasons.

    1) Socialism/social ministries is giving a man a fish and Christianity is teaching a man to fish.

    2) Socialism sustains a person, but allows the person to avoid the process of examining them self and removing any sin that could be causing their poverty/problem. Becoming a Christian requires a person renounce the past sinful lifestyle and then God forgives all past sin.

    I define a Christian as a person that accepts Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commits to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.

    3) Socialism requires stealing from the most to give to the few. Which brings up the question of how your social ministry was funded. If it was funded by a church that was great that people were willing to provide personal charity, but not so good if the funding was from a government program.

    Do you believe social ministries work in the sense that people get out of poverty?

    Do you believe illegitimate children are a major problem that produce poverty?

    Would you support an Absolute Paternity Law that would execute a father that failed to provide for his child (under a three strikes and you are out concept)?
     
  12. Archaeopteryx

    Archaeopteryx Wanderer

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    Clirus, I notice you are avoiding my question:

    To verify that there is, in fact, a significant association between two categorical variables, such as Atheism and 'disease, death and destruction', you would need to set a p value (usually 0.05 in behavioural sciences), determine a research paradigm, and then conduct a Chi-square test for independence and relatedness on the data ascertained. And even then, your results and their interpretation would be open to severe scrutiny due to the high possibility of extraneous variables accounting for apparently significant results.

    So I wonder... how much empirical research have you done to conclude that "Atheistic activity does lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty", or in other words, that there is a statistically significant correlation between Atheism and disease, death, destruction and poverty???*

    * Keeping in mind that correlation too does not necessarily imply causation.
    ** Keeping in mind that statical significance testing is an important component of empirical research.

    Until you can prove it substantially and statistically... you're just speculating. And while you're speculating, there is no compelling reason to believe your claim to be true.
     
  13. Alexander Nevsky

    Alexander Nevsky friend of the Huns

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    For every rich person there are thousands, millions and even billions of people who die starving. The rich people consume each as much as a whole city or maybe a whole country in the Third World. Isn’t that robbing? Think about it.

    [FONT=&quot]St. Basil the Great

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    You've stated before that you consider me to be evil. How would I be punished by your Christian Utopia? Death?
     
  15. Drekkan85

    Drekkan85 Immortal until proven otherwise

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    Well I'm Church of England so death is a little extreme... How about some tea and cake?
     
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    Only if I can have it on the Death Star canteen! ;)
     
  17. Greeble

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    "Socialism/social ministries is giving a man a fish and Christianity is teaching a man to fish."

    Uh, no, *your* style of "Christianity" teaches about Christ, and nothing else. Not reading, not fishing, not anything. And the man, who cannot fish, watches his children (whom you care nothing about) starve.


    "Becoming a Christian requires a person renounce the past sinful lifestyle and then God forgives all past sin."


    Why do you insist on denying the existence of poor Christians? Are you making this up or is some "preacher" feeding you this pack of lies?


    "I define a Christian as a person that accepts Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commits to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible."

    Unless they live in poverty, in which case you pronounce them to be atheists. (or maybe it is that aforementioned preacher of lies)

    "Which brings up the question of how your social ministry was funded."

    Oh, so if the United Methodist ChurchBoard of Global ministries does it it is ok to give a man a sandwich when before you said it was bad?

    "Do you believe social ministries work in the sense that people get out of poverty?"

    Hello, I saw it. I have lived in three countries and been through almost every country in the western hemisphere. You get your information from some preacher of lies.

    "Do you believe illegitimate children are a major problem that produce poverty? "

    oh yes, because evil people punish the woman for being single by denying any assistance, thereby forcing all those children to live in poverty.

    But what makes you think most people in poverty have illegitimate children? So many are married and have too many because their religion (Christianity btw) forbids the use of birth control. What about them?

    Oh right, I forget, they are poor and therefore by your definition, not Christian. So it is ok to allow them and their children to live their entire lives in suffering.

    "Would you support an Absolute Paternity Law that would execute a father that failed to provide for his child (under a three strikes and you are out concept)?"

    I don't believe in using the death penalty.

    There are paternity laws. Guess what. If the father lives in poverty he won't be able to pay.

    You want to make poverty a capital crime.

    And I bet you are under the delusion you are "Pro life"


    Typical of proponents of the Heresy of Prosperity (aka "Gospel" of Prosperity)
     
  18. Nathan Poe

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    Not surprising.

    And you're about executing men who can't fish.

    Getting executed under your government doesn't do much for self-examination, either.

    So, which doctrine mentions killing the poor?

    Yo've already mentioned that you don't like the program when it comes from a church either.

    It gives a hand to those who need it most, yes.

    One of many problems.

    No, that's your sickness, nobody else's.
     
  19. explodingboy

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    I'm so very confused..

    socialism is ebil because of communism and death camps, and genocide.

    but you want the government to kill the poor, and bad parents as a Christian principle.

    are you secretly a closet socialist or something?
     
  20. uberd00b

    uberd00b The Emperor has no clothes.

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    You can't get more patriotic than socialism.

    Some people seem to think their country is their private vehicle for personal gain. And screw everyone else.
     
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