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so what's with this notion part ll

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by benedictaoo, Feb 16, 2012.

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  1. Blackwater Babe

    Blackwater Babe New Member

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    I wish I could scare people so thoroughly with totally baseless fears. I'm sure I could make money off it.
     
  2. benedictaoo

    benedictaoo Legend

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    they can't enter the seminary but the ones who already are, can stay.
     
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    I didn't know that. Thanks.
     
  4. MikeK

    MikeK The dress is blue and black.

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    Homosexuals are permitted to become Priests, so long as their superiors are convinced that they're chaste and that they will live in a way consistant with the way a Priest should live.

    Persons with "deep seated" (don't report me for vulgarity, that's the language the Church uses!) homosexual tendencies cannot be admitted to the Priesthood...although that isn't explicitely defined, it is pretty much understood to mean no sexual contact with others, no pornography, no masturbation, for a period of a few years. Probably not all that different from what is expected of a heterosexual Priest.
     
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    FranciscanSpirit Newbie

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    Pedophiles are usually not gay. 80% of all pedophiles self-identify as heterosexual.

    Pedophilia is not an orientation, it is a disease and disorder with no known cure.

    gay men like young guys the same way straight men like young women.

    Instead of solving the issue and admitting the problem, the Holy See used gay priests as scapegoats for what was and still is a serious problem of covering up the abuse and deny it's existence. Many pedophiles would join the Priesthood just to get access to children. Getting gay priests out won't help one bit.

    If they'd stop insisting on celibacy we'd stop having a priest shortage and our Catholic culture a lot healthier.
     
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    FranciscanSpirit Newbie

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    There's a good article here: Can Homosexual Men be Ordained to the Priesthood? | Catholic Exchange

    excerpt:

    In order to end any confusion, the Vatican’s Congregation for Catholic Education — which has authority in matters of seminary training — issued a document designed to clarify the Church’s position on the issue of homosexual men studying for the priesthood. The Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders was approved by Pope Benedict for publication in 2005. By its very nature, it is not an infallible pronouncement; but Catholic bishops and administrators of their seminaries throughout the world are to form their own judgments of prospective candidates in light of its interpretation of Church teaching.

    The document reiterates the position of the Catholic Church that homosexuals are to be profoundly respected, as children of God. Nevertheless, it states unequivocally that the Church “cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practice homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called ‘gay culture.’” The document goes on to explain that such people “find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women,” and reiterates several times the need for a candidate for the priesthood to reach “affective maturity,” which “will allow him to relate correctly to both men and women, developing in him a true sense of spiritual fatherhood towards the Church community that will be entrusted to him.”​
     
  7. WarriorAngel

    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    Scape goats?

    The big bad - dont do enough - do too much - Church is at it again. They just cannot win either way.,


    How prevalent is child molestation among homosexuals?

    • The Gay Report, published by homosexual researchers Jay and Young in 1979, revealed that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19 years of age or younger.5 (5. K. Jay and A. Young, The Gay Report (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275. )
    • Although homosexuals account for less than two percent of the population. they constitute about a third of child molesters.6 (6. K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 18 (Spring 1992): 3443, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia," op. cit. Also, K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984): 197, cited in NARTH Fact Sheet. ) Further, as noted by the Encino, Calif.-based National Association for research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), "since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles, it is estimated that approximately 80 percent or pedophile victims are boys who have been molested by adultmales.7 (7. Thomas Schmidt, Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexuality Debate (Downers Grove, IU.: Intervarsity Press), p. 114, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia, op. cit., p. 2. )
    • A nationwide investigation of child molestation in the Boy Scouts from 1971 to 1991 revealed that more than 2,000 boys reported molestations by adult Scout leaders. (Note: The Scouts, who have 150,000 Scoutmasters and assistant Scoutmasters, ban hundreds of men each year from scouting out of concern that they might abuse boys.)8 (8. Patrick Boyle, Scout's Honor (Rocklin, Calif.: Prima Publishing, 1994), p. 3l6. )
    • A study of Canadian pedophiles has shown that 30 percent of those studied admitted to
    • having engaged In homosexual acts as adults, and 91 percent of the molesters of non-familial boys admitted to no lifetime sexual contact other than homosexual.9 (9. W. L. Marshall, et al., "Early onset and deviant sexuality in child molesters," Journal of interpersonal Violence 6 (1991): 323-336, cited in "Pedophilia: The Part of Homosexuality They Don't Want You to see," Colorado for Family Values Report, Vol. 14, March 1994. )
    • Judith A. Reisman, Ph.D., and Charles B. Johnson, Ph.D., conducted a content study of the personal ads in the Advocate, the national gay and lesbian news magazine and discovered that "chickens," a common term for underage boys sought for sex, were widely solicited. Many of the advertisements in the magazine solicited boys and teens from within a larger pool of prostitution ads.10 (10. Judith A. Reisman, Ph.D., "A Content Analysis of 'The Advocate,"' unpublished manuscript p. 18, quoted in "Pedophilia: The Part of Homosexuality They Don't WantYou to See," ibid. ) The authors also note a statement from a book review by homosexual activist Larry Kramer that the work, "like much canonized male homosexual literature, involves sexually predatory white men on the prowl for dark-skinned boys to gratify them.11 (11. From "Lany Kramer's Reading List," The Advocate, January 24, 1995, p. 99, cited in "Status Report," The Reisman & Johnson Report of Partner Solicitation Characteristics as a Reflection of More Sexual Orientation and the Threat to Children, First Principles Press, January l995.)
    In a 1985 study of the rates of molestation among homosexual pederasts compared to heterosexu1 pedophiles, Dr. Paul Cameron found the following:

    • 153 pederasts had sexually molested 22,981 boys over an average period of 22 years.
    • 224 pedophiles had molested 4,435 girls over an average period of 18 years.
    • The average homosexual pederast molested an average of 150 boys, and each heterosexual pedophile molested an average of 20 girls, a ratio of 7.5 to one. 12 (12. Dr. Paul Cameron, “Homosexual Molestation of Children/Sexual Interaction of Teacher and Pupil,” Psychological Reports 57 (1985): 1227-1236.)


    Pedarests who are homosexual and go after same sex children - are far more likely than pedophiles who are hetero and go after opposite sex children.


    Ergo - it behooves the CHURCH - with these findings to avoid letting homosexuals into the priesthood.


    I thought pedarests only went after adolescents - my bad. :wave:

    IN FACT pedarests are the actual term of what occurs in the priesthood and more prevalent in the secular society - because it is man with boy which is not pedophilia - since pedo's focus on the opposite sex but pedaresty and as you see the statistics - are more likely [73% of homosexuals] to do these things.
     
  8. WarriorAngel

    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    I posted link on previous post.

    SO - should the homosexuals - 73% of which will go after young children [male usually]- be de-sexualized - get their hearts put in the right place...or should they just go with the flow cos it is who they are?

    Or is it heresy to want them to avoid this sin altogether and work towards Sainthood?

    Hmmm.
     
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    Antigone The Wrath of Whatever

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    Have you tried spiders?

    I hate spiders. I know they're useful animals, that the vast majority aren't dangerous, that they are more afraid of me than I am of them, that they're useful as pest control...

    Nope. Not buying it. Something with eight legs can only be a megalomaniac.
     
  10. MikeK

    MikeK The dress is blue and black.

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    Umm, I wonder what percentage of heterosexuals have "at some time had sex with a person 16 to 19 years of age or younger".

    :rollseyes:



     
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    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    Let's see 98% of the population is hetero.
    Children molested by pedo's is lower... and the numbers are far lower than homosexuals who make up 2%.

    Did you miss the stats?

    Here they are again - you =can figure it out.




    In a 1985 study of the rates of molestation among homosexual pederasts compared to heterosexu1 pedophiles, Dr. Paul Cameron found the following:

    • 153 pederasts had sexually molested 22,981 boys over an average period of 22 years.
    • 224 pedophiles had molested 4,435 girls over an average period of 18 years.
    • The average homosexual pederast molested an average of 150 boys, and each heterosexual pedophile molested an average of 20 girls, a ratio of 7.5 to one. 12 (12. Dr. Paul Cameron, “Homosexual Molestation of Children/Sexual Interaction of Teacher and Pupil,” Psychological Reports 57 (1985): 1227-1236.)
     
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    MikeK The dress is blue and black.

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    What percentage of heterosexuals do you think ""at some time had sex with a person 16 to 19 years of age or younger". Go ahead, guess...or look it up if you prefer.
     
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    JacktheCatholic Praise be to Jesus Christ. Now and forever.

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    (momentary loss of mind...)
     
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    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    What is Pedophilia and why is it such an epidemic? - RegisteredOffendersList.Org

    4%



    AND:
    Four percent of the population suffers from sexual orientation toward children. In 1999, 93,000 kids were sexually abused. 50% of the abusers were parents of the children. 18% were relatives. This means that almost 70% of children were molested by family members, fathers, uncles, and grandfathers – males they trusted.






    However; this website from what i read did not separate orientation. I came up with a figure by my own calculations of 1.3% hetero OF all known molested children.


    Problem is hetero's are vastly the larger population and fewer girls are molested than boys and 85% of all molestation is done by men.




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    AND one other website said the percentage of heterosexual offenders is unknown.
     
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    Cheesed by stupid massive blocks in people's sigs.

    And quoting obviously biased sources.
     
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    Everyone is biased. Anyone who claims to have no bias is a liar.
     
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    Yet some intentionally misinform. Some, despite bias, attempt to present objective information.
     
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    Sorta like this:

    Some number crunching courtesy of Private Eye:

    Number of US Citizens killed in 9/11 attacks: 2,977

    Number of US Soldiers killed in Iraq: 4,474


    Though I was thinking the 120,000 + civilian deaths were also significant. If we count the number of pregnant women and include the fetuses, I bet we start to get into really impressive numbers!
     
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