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So many Liberals are so scripturally unsound it's not funny

Discussion in 'Fundamentalist Christians' started by tyronem, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    One of my biggest frustrations with Liberals who call themselves Christians is that when you ask them to justify their position in scripture they cannot do it effectively and have to twist the words of scripture (And add stuff in or take away) to fit their view.

    Case in point, I was debating an Anglican minister who thinks abortion is ok. So I said what's your scriptural justification? He quoted a verse that he said it said if a man hits a woman and she has a miscarriage then its a civil matter (And he claims that this means the Bible is ok with abortion) . It turns out that that verse just says if two men are fighting and one accidentally hurts the woman causing her to go into labor early then there is a fine, and one verse later it says if further mischief then life for life, eye for eye. So if the baby died, that man would be killed.

    So then he said, well abortion is not forbidden in the Bible, to which I replied, oh great let's go back to enslaving african americans because that isn't directly forbidden in the Bible either.

    Even after being shown all the scripture under the sun as opposition to his view he still clung to it like his view is more precious than God's word.

    This is extremely frustrating because having been an atheist I understood my world view had no problem with abortion, divorce, sex outside of marriage et-al, and I also understood when I became a Christian that these and much else had to change to fit the Christian path and the Scriptures.

    Is there anyone else out there who experiences these frustrations? Have you got some good examples if ridiculous interpretations by liberals so they can do what they want....
     
  2. AnnCook

    AnnCook Guest

    I once had an acquaintance who claimed that being thrown out of his church for being in a homosexual relationship was wrong because:

    "The Bible doesn't say anything about homosexuality being wrong, just homosexuality that revolves around lust instead of love".

    He also tried to twist scripture around and claim that David and Saul were homosexuals because 'no straight men have a close relationship like that without sex being involved".

    I chalk it all up to people not wanting to own up to the indecency, sin, accountability, etc in their life.
     
  3. JoJo50

    JoJo50 Trying to do Jehovah's will

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    Do you really believe only the liberals are this way? I know of many Christians who does something against God. Then try to change God’s words in order to fit them. What about the many ministers who lead homosexuals into believe it’s Ok to serve God, yet remaining in the lifestyle they choose to live? And what about the many people who sits up in their place of worship. yet live as fornicators, adulterers, being into what the world is doing?

    It doesn’t matter if you’re into the governments or not. changing God words to justify one’s way of living is wrong. And I can understand your frustrations many of Jehovah God’s people , and Jesus followers have them. No matter how many scriptures one shows , Many will just ignore it.

    A elder told us this story of witnessing to a minister concerning God’s name. The minister said it’s just in our bible, (as with many who refuse to even check theirs). The elder told him that the name was also in his, and asked if he could get his bible. Sad for a minister of “god/Jesus”, he haven’t notice the name. Once they compared the verse at Exo.6:3,noticing the name Jehovah WAS…in the kjb, (many once said we made the name up). He tore out the page, and said ..”NOT ANYMORE”! sad he didn’t want to admit the name being in his bible. But what was even sadder, he wasn’t teaching his many followers the truth. It made me mad, because it showed he didn’t even care to know the truth. So what comes to my mind, …just like in Jesus day. peace :)

     
  4. Sketcher

    Sketcher Born Imperishable

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    Well yeah, that happens. But don't be the one to get angry. Know that the truth is at least as offensive to them as the lies they believe are to you. By simply stating it with no apologies, you'll get them riled up most of the time, and they'll be the ones with egg on their face. All you can do is prove from the Scriptures that you are right. If they don't listen to that, then they are beyond man's convincing, at least for now.
     
  5. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    So true, what amazes me is that they manage to find the manifestation of God's righteousness offensive.
     
  6. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    Have to agree there,

    I almost lol'd at the statement he made about the Bible doesn't say anything about homosexuality being wrong, clearly he'd never read Leviticus 20:13 :)
     
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  7. Lean Forward

    Lean Forward Cultural Christian

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    Regardless, I don't think "God's law" should be any basis as to how a modern country behaves. One has the right to believe abortion is wrong and therefor not chose it for themselves but they should not have the right to take that choice away from someone else. One also has the right, for example, to believe homosexuals are hell bound scum of the earth however institutionalized bigotry should not be tolerated against them.
     
  8. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    Sorry this is a Christian fundamentalist only forum section.
     
  9. Lean Forward

    Lean Forward Cultural Christian

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    so only fundamentalists can post an opinion here ?
     
  10. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    In this forum section fundamentalist Christians yes.

    You are welcome to post your views in the open forums.
     
  11. Lean Forward

    Lean Forward Cultural Christian

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    I don't see that everyone in here is a fundamentalist, though ?
     
  12. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    Define:Christian Fundamentalist

    Takes the Bible Seriously :)

    If you want to debate the points you have brought up you are welcome to pm me.
     
  13. Drayzon

    Drayzon Open-Minded

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    I had a religion class in college and I had a similar argument with a student who claimed to be a Christian, but argued that God is an experience not an actual being.

    I asked her if she read the Bible and she said yes... through and throuh. after talking to her I realized she studied all Eastern religions before becoming a "Christian". She would get extremely mad when I said she could not be a Christian believing this way.

    It made me more sad than upset. She was obviously lost.
     
  14. Sketcher

    Sketcher Born Imperishable

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    Don't believe in slavery? Don't own one, but don't take that choice away from someone else. That's the equivalent to what you're saying.
     
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  15. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    lol, so God in the Flesh was only hypothetical then :)
     
  16. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    nice reflection
     
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    sniperelite7 Junior Member

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    Ah? So your one of those Judaizers i've heard so much about.
     
  18. tyronem

    tyronem Presbyterian Baptist with Pentecostal leanings

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    No I don't ask people to live according to Jewish custom.

    I expect all who call themselves a Christian to test themselves against the scriptures to see if they are in the faith, OT and NT are all relevant because they are all the word of God.
     
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    schpoogie Newbie

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    Abortion is murder, i don't think you have to be a christian to be against it.
    I mean, how would you feel if when you were in the womb that someone would have stopped your birth?

    Is it ok to kill babies?
    When is a fetus considered a baby?
    You should look at a fetus at 6 weeks old, they look remarkabley human already.
    Heart beating, skin and bones.
    And some people have abortions at 3 months!!

    We don't have the right to end the life of the unborn. It is a horrible, unacceptable thing to do.
     
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  20. schpoogie

    schpoogie Newbie

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    To some degree i agree, but I don't expect anyone to fulfill the laws in the OT, Jesus fufilled all the laws for us.
    He just told us to love. Love God and Love thy neighbour