Should Christians boycott Mozilla over firing of CEO?

[Profane]

Being against gay marriage isn't being bigotted, why should we have to ignore the teachings of our religious scripture because someone says we have to.

I'm sure he would have been more than happy with "civil unions" being legalized, just don't call it marriage.

You've choosen to continue living in a country with a secular goverment, you can believe whatever you want to believe, but you can't force your beliefs onto others, which sadly, is exactly what trying to deny other peoples rights is. Christanity sadly doesen't have a monopoly over the word 'marriage' either, so you don't get to decide who gets to use the term.

The people that rallied together to try and stop gay marriage are going to be seen in the same light as the KKK is during this generation sooner or later.

 

[Sketcher]

Having bigots representing your company is never a good thing, the same thing would of happened if a leader of the KKK was given a position of power within the company.

Believing that marriage is between one man and one woman is not bigotry. Firing someone for taking that position is. If having bigots represent your company is not a good thing, then it looks like Mozilla will have to fire some more people at the top.

 

[Sketcher]

The people that rallied together to try and stop gay marriage are going to be seen in the same light as the KKK is during this generation sooner or later.

I think they're several cross-burnings, bombings, and lynchings away from that.

 

[Profane]

Believing that marriage is between one man and one woman is not bigotry. Firing someone for taking that position is. If having bigots represent your company is not a good thing, then it looks like Mozilla will have to fire some more people at the top.

As I've said, BELIEVE whatever you want to believe.

But trying to deny rights of others, sadly, is bigotry, regardless of why you're trying to do it, religious or otherwise. Are you being ask to accept sin? Yes, to a degree; and guess what? You're being asked to accept sin every day, that's the cost of living in a country with a secular goverment, if you don't like it, move to Theocracy.

You don't have to indulge in the sin; but other people are free to frolick in it all they like; and you have to accept it, just as they have to accept your Christian beliefs, but not indulge in them.

 

[GarfieldJL]

I think they're several cross-burnings, bombings, and lynchings away from that.

Agreed, the pro-traditional marriage supporters haven't exactly been violent. To compare them to the KKK is more than a little disingenious.

 

[Profane]

Agreed, the pro-traditional marriage supporters haven't exactly been violent. To compare them to the KKK is more than a little disingenious.

Bigotry is bigotry, regardless of how violently one goes about it.

 

[Sketcher]

As I've said, BELIEVE whatever you want to believe.

But trying to deny rights of others, sadly, is bigotry, regardless of why you're trying to do it, religious or otherwise.

Like firing others for their beliefs?

Bigotry is bigotry, regardless of how violently one goes about it.

So I can compare you to the KKK now. OK.

 

[EphesiaNZ]

Think of Brendan Eich's situation like this. If you tithe at your church then you will be deemed by association of being a Christian and supporting the anti-gay movement. If you do not stop your donating and do not renounce your crime then you will be disciplined and/or removed from your position. It's as simple as that, freedom of thought and speech are being threatened.

In a twist of irony the founder Sam Yagan, who's company OKCupid started this hatred, has also made political donations to which would be deemed anti-gay,

Mozilla CEO out over opposition to gay marriage | The Daily Caller

Which really goes to prove that Mozilla have reacted to a publicity stunt by okcupid that have used the gay community as a vehicle as its marketing ploy. If I was gay, I would feel very upset at being used like this.

 

[Profane]

Like firing others for their beliefs?

Lets get this straight, this wasen't over his beliefs, he could of believed whatever he wanted within the privacy of his own home and no one would of cared.

This is a man that who contributed money towards the suppression of his fellow Americans rights, the moment he did that, he made a public statement that he thought forcing his beliefs upon others was acceptable; and sadly, bigotry makes you unpopular in the modern age, ones public image does matter, especially if you're going to represent an entire company.

Bigotry is still alive and well in America, those that endorse it have simply taken up hiding behind the teachings of Jesus Christ to try and justify it.

It's as simple as that, freedom of thought and speech are being threatened.

Its amusing when people seem to think freedom of thought and speech means freedom 'from' consquences.

 

[Sketcher]

Lets get this straight, this wasen't over his beliefs, he could of believed whatever he wanted within the privacy of his own home and no one would of cared.

This is a man that who contributed money towards the suppression of his fellow Americans rights, the moment he did that, he made a public statement that he thought forcing his beliefs upon others was acceptable; and sadly, bigotry makes you unpopular in the modern age, ones public image does matter, especially if you're going to represent an entire company.

Bigotry is still alive and well in America, those that endorse it have simply taken up hiding behind the teachings of Jesus Christ to try and justify it.


Its amusing when people seem to think freedom of thought and speech means freedom of consquences.

What you described is not bigotry.

Bigot - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

He contributed money to a ballot proposition that defined marriage as between one man and one woman. That is not a bigoted belief. That is stating what he believes the definition of marriage is. This does not impede the rights of two consenting adults to do whatever they want.

 

[Profane]

What you described is not bigotry.

Bigot - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

He contributed money to a ballot proposition that defined marriage as between one man and one woman. That is not a bigoted belief. That is stating what he believes the definition of marriage is. This does not impede the rights of two consenting adults to do whatever they want.

Klansman.

Much like how certain organizations and people contributed money to propositions thad defined marriage as between one man and one woman of the same race. This is not a bigoted belief- oh wait, it kinda is.

Bigotry is bigotry regardless of how you take the time to dress it up, its the same vile disregard for the rights of your fellow man that racists show, just presented differently.

 

[Sketcher]

Much like how certain organizations and people contributed money to propositions thad defined marriage as between one man and one woman of the same race. This is not a bigoted belief- oh wait, it kinda is.

Gender != race.

Bigotry is bigotry regardless of how you take the time to dress it up, its the same vile disregard for the rights of your fellow man that racists show, just presented differently.

Like your opinion? Bigot.

 

[Profane]

Gender != race.

Denying peoples rights based on their race.

Denying peoples rights based on their sexual perference.

Little difference in the end. Funny thing, those against interracial marriage used quotes from the Old Testament to support their bigotry as well.

 

[paul1149]

Duck Duck Go search engine.

DDG is good, but it uses Bing (MS) as its engine, which I think is inferior. I use StartPage.com, which also(?) is not in the US, has an equally good privacy policy and which uses google as its engine.

 

[paul1149]

I don't believe Christians would make a fuss if Mozilla fired an employ for being gay.

Had that happened, there would no need to make a fuss. The entire weight of the media and the governmental bureaucracy immediately would have come down on Mozilla like a ton of bricks.

Which points to the real issue here. The nation, founded on Biblical principles, has slipped off its foundation and is headed to destruction. As was said earlier, it may be inexorable. But we can raise a flag and warn people, and we should.

 

[Profane]

The nation, founded on Biblical principles,

The Bible is many things, but its not a supporter of Democracy- that's not to say the Bibles 'against' it, but no where in the Bible is Democracy found or encouraged as a system of goverment followers of Jesus Christ should work towards.

Since America is founded on Democracy; it therefore can't be based on Biblical principles.

 

[Sketcher]

Denying peoples rights based on their race.

Denying peoples rights based on their sexual perference.

Little difference in the end. Funny thing, those against interracial marriage used quotes from the Old Testament to support their bigotry as well.

That's actually irrelevant. Opposition to interracial marriage was part of a belief of racial superiority, and motivated by fear that the white bloodline would be contaminated. Those who may have quoted the Bible to justify it had to twist the meanings of whatever passages they were quoting (though I would challenge you to find a verified source of such a person quoting the Old Testament as justification for their position). You're also assuming that rights in the case of Prop 8 were violated. You have not proven that any were.

 

[Profane]

(though I would challenge you to find a verified source of such a person quoting the Old Testament as justification for their position).

Not very diffecult for anyone that's bothered reading any amount of history on the time period, lets start with a quote by one of the supporters of interacial marriage being illegal shall we?

“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

- Judge Leon M. Bazile, Janurary 6, 1959

Notice how the arguement is religious in nature rather then speaking of racial supriority? Lets continue on from there.

"As Ham is not the father of the negro, and no one asserts that either Shem or Japheth is, then the negro belongs to another race of people, and that he came out of the ark, is a demonstrated fact; and not being of Noah's family, who are white, and Adam and Eve being likewise white, therefore, they could not be the progenitors of the negro; and as neither the name or curse did make Ham a negro, or the father of negroes (and this covers the space of time from now back to the flood and to Noah), and no mesalliance ever having taken place from the flood or Noah, back to Adam and Eve, by which the negro can be accounted for, and Adam and Eve being white, that they could never be the father or mother of the kinky-headed, low forehead, flat nose, thick lip and black-skinned negro; and as Adam and Eve were the last beings created by God on earth, therefore, all beasts, cattle, etc., were consequently made before Adam and Eve were created; and the negro being now here on earth, and not Adam's progeny, it follows, beyond all the reasonings of men on earth to controvert, that he was created before Adam, and with the other beasts or cattle, and being created before Adam, that, like all beasts and cattle, they have no souls."

The Nergo, What is his Ethnological Status? - By Rev.Buckner Payne.

Another example of Old Testament stories being used as an excuse for racial bigotry; tho unlike the first quote, the person in question did believe in racial supriority.


In "Take your Choice: Separation of Mongrelization," written by Sentar Bilbo, he wrote...

"Purity of Race is a gift of God.... and God in his infinite wisdom, has so ordained it that when mans destroys his racial purity, it can never be redeemed."

Another good example of arguements relying on the Christian faith for segregation without relying purely upon racial supriroty to boot. If that's not enough for you, look up a book called Noah's Curse, by Rev. Palmer..... amongst dozens of other similar books, all by different authors that use the exact same biblical-based arguements.

Examples of common bible quotes used by these authors are as follows.

Genesis 28:1: "And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan."

Leviticus 19:19: "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind ..."

Deuteronomy 7:2-3: "And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son."

Honestly, I'm somewhat shocked you diden't know about any of this already, but hey, not everyone cares that much about history or bothers to learn about it, so I'll let it pass without picking on it too much.

The exact same crowd of people that where against racial marriage then is now targeting the gay community, same exact bigotry, different minority to pick on. The arguements used by those that are against gay marriage today are nearly identical to the arguements used by those that where against interacial marriage, back then, they cried out that their religious rights where being stepped on, repackaging their own insecurities and bigotry as religious freedom.

Also, like before, this form of intolerance will fall flat on its face; we're already getting there... and for that? I say God bless America, this country is just getting better and better all the time, so stay on the sinking ship of intolerance and bigotry if you want, enjoy the ride, because you're going to end up belonging to a very small and VERY disliked minority yourself... you're already one step in the right direction, the KKK is against gay marriage you know.

http://www.ksla.com/story/4079010/kkk-endorses-gay-marriage-ban-amendment

 

[Sketcher]

Not very diffecult for anyone that's bothered reading any amount of history on the time period, lets start with a quote by one of the supporters of interacial marriage being illegal shall we?

“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

- Judge Leon M. Bazile, Janurary 6, 1959

Notice how the arguement is religious in nature rather then speaking of racial supriority? Lets continue on from there.

"As Ham is not the father of the negro, and no one asserts that either Shem or Japheth is, then the negro belongs to another race of people, and that he came out of the ark, is a demonstrated fact; and not being of Noah's family, who are white, and Adam and Eve being likewise white, therefore, they could not be the progenitors of the negro; and as neither the name or curse did make Ham a negro, or the father of negroes (and this covers the space of time from now back to the flood and to Noah), and no mesalliance ever having taken place from the flood or Noah, back to Adam and Eve, by which the negro can be accounted for, and Adam and Eve being white, that they could never be the father or mother of the kinky-headed, low forehead, flat nose, thick lip and black-skinned negro; and as Adam and Eve were the last beings created by God on earth, therefore, all beasts, cattle, etc., were consequently made before Adam and Eve were created; and the negro being now here on earth, and not Adam's progeny, it follows, beyond all the reasonings of men on earth to controvert, that he was created before Adam, and with the other beasts or cattle, and being created before Adam, that, like all beasts and cattle, they have no souls."

The Nergo, What is his Ethnological Status? - By Rev.Buckner Payne.

Another example of Old Testament stories being used as an excuse for racial bigotry; tho unlike the first quote, the person in question did believe in racial supriority.


In "Take your Choice: Separation of Mongrelization," written by Sentar Bilbo, he wrote...

"Purity of Race is a gift of God.... and God in his infinite wisdom, has so ordained it that when mans destroys his racial purity, it can never be redeemed."

Another good example of arguements relying on the Christian faith for segregation without relying purely upon racial supriroty to boot. If that's not enough for you, look up a book called Noah's Curse, by Rev. Palmer..... amongst dozens of other similar books, all by different authors that use the exact same biblical-based arguements.

Examples of common bible quotes used by these authors are as follows.

Genesis 28:1: "And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan."

Leviticus 19:19: "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind ..."

Deuteronomy 7:2-3: "And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son."

Honestly, I'm somewhat shocked you diden't know about any of this already, but hey, not everyone cares that much about history or bothers to learn about it, so I'll let it pass without picking on it too much.

Some of these I've heard, all are hogwash interpretations. Ham's other sons did populate Africa, and Africa's close proximity to Israel defeats the notion that separate continents indicate a need for keeping the races separate. Joseph had an Egyptian wife, Moses had a Midianite wife, and Boaz married Ruth who was from Moab. And the New Testament removes any room for racism at all.

The exact same crowd of people that where against racial marriage then is now targeting the gay community, same exact bigotry, different minority to pick on. The arguements used by those that are against gay marriage today are nearly identical to the arguements used by those that where against interacial marriage, back then, they cried out that their religious rights where being stepped on, repackaging their own insecurities and bigotry as religious freedom.

Some who share the racism you describe may also believe in marriage being between only one man and one woman. Then again, so do many black Christians and black Muslims. Very different crowds. But bigots like you don't care about facts. You would rather legislate your morality and punish people who disagree with you, for disagreeing with you. That is bigotry.

 

[Profane]

Some of these I've heard, all are hogwash interpretations. Ham's other sons did populate Africa, and Africa's close proximity to Israel defeats the notion that separate continents indicate a need for keeping the races separate. Joseph had an Egyptian wife, Moses had a Midianite wife, and Boaz married Ruth who was from Moab. And the New Testament removes any room for racism at all.

I'm not sure how you've been sidetracked, we weren't discussing if the claims made by these people where true or not, we where discussing if they had been made in the first place.

Some who share the racism you describe may also believe in marriage being between only one man and one woman. Then again, so do many black Christians and black Muslims. Very different crowds. But bigots like you don't care about facts. You would rather legislate your morality and punish people who disagree with you, for disagreeing with you. That is bigotry.

I've never once suggested legislation against someone for their beliefs; I'm not exactly sure where your reading that, unless you're again trying to twist it around to say "Gay's getting rights takes away my religious freedoms!!"

But sad fact of life, you have to deal with the social consequences, go around saying you want to join the North American Man-Boy Love assiocation? Talk indepth about your love of causing other people pain and suffering? Say you want to deny people rights? You're going to lose friends and respect... if you don't have that, chances are your career is going to suffer also, along with other aspects of your life