Sex offender wins terms challenge

[Billnew]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6923434.stm

A sex offender has successfully challenged in the Court of Appeal the way the government manages indeterminate jail sentences.

While I support some violent offenders getting a sentence that will protect society until they are deemed
no longer a threat, I believe they should have a system to check on them. In the interest of society(I couldn't care less of a rapists rights.), when they are no longer a threat, let them go, get them off the prison budget.

 

[mayfly]

Medical science claims they are incureable... and always a threat.

Better to err on the side of experience with predators than to err on the side of wishful idealism.

 

[JolieHeart]

Agreeing with mayfly

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Medical science claims they are incureable... and always a threat.

Better to err on the side of experience with predators than to err on the side of wishful idealism.

If they should be in prison for life they should be sentenced to life in prison. It is not justice to give an indeterminate sentence that gives hope of freedom but offers no actual possibility.

 

[Billnew]

A quadraplegic wouldn't be harmful to most people...

A feeble old man needing a nursing home to care for him...
But I do agree that it would be a rare case for a typical
sex offender to be safe in society. Not favoring the release of these people, but if they are in prison until deemed safe, then someone has to evaluate the convict. And I believe the person that decides, should be warned that they are liable for damages comitted by
the convict they release. So they error on the side of safe.

 

[dawnsday]

They should be doing something to earn their keep though...none of that free time and television and what not. They should be in chain gangs, or whatever else they can do to pay for the prison, instead of my taxes going to get them three squares a day...when I don't even get that myself.

 

[MadeInOz]

If society expects that sending people to a cage full of other violent people will help make them a better person... who are they trying to kid?

 

[dawnsday]

If society expects that sending people to a cage full of other violent people will help make them a better person... who are they trying to kid?

I didn't think it was about making them a better person, I thought it was about punishing them and removing them from society to keep others safe.

 

[comana]

They should be doing something to earn their keep though...none of that free time and television and what not. They should be in chain gangs, or whatever else they can do to pay for the prison, instead of my taxes going to get them three squares a day...when I don't even get that myself.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I don't think prison is quite the vacation you describe. I have a feeling that having prisoners do anything other than watch TV in a secure area is going to cost taxpayers alot more money.

If society expects that sending people to a cage full of other violent people will help make them a better person... who are they trying to kid?

Exactly. Prison is obviously not about turning bad citizens back into good citizens it is about punishment and retrubution.

 

[comana]

I didn't think it was about making them a better person, I thought it was about punishing them and removing them from society to keep others safe.

Which would go a long way to explaining why the recidivism rate is so high. It doesn't make sense to lock a bunch of violent criminals together for several years and then expect them to be anything but a violent criminal upon release without any sort of rehabilitaion while incarcerated.

 

[dawnsday]

Which would go a long way to explaining why the recidivism rate is so high. It doesn't make sense to lock a bunch of violent criminals together for several years and then expect them to be anything but a violent criminal upon release without any sort of rehabilitaion while incarcerated.

talking about sex offenders here, not theives or drug addicts...

if i had my way, they would all be stuck on an island to rot.

 

[trunks2k]

Medical science claims they are incureable... and always a threat.

Sources? AFAIK, rapists have a lower recidivism rate than other criminals.

Plus you have to define exactly who is incurable. A pedophile? A guy who takes advantage of a drunk girl? A streaker? Someone who has consensual sex with a person who is a year under the age of consent?

 

[comana]

talking about sex offenders here, not theives or drug addicts...

if i had my way, they would all be stuck on an island to rot.

Sex offenders are often viewed as the worst of the worst and some of them I agree are, but it seems that society won't even let the least of the offenders be redeemed.

 

[dawnsday]

Sex offenders are often viewed as the worst of the worst and some of them I agree are, but it seems that society won't even let the least of the offenders be redeemed.

I do agree many of the statutory rape cases are a little ridiculous, and feel for those guys...but sexually violating a person is probably the worst thing you can do outside of torture...actually it is torture in a sense.

 

[Billnew]

They should be doing something to earn their keep though...none of that free time and television and what not. They should be in chain gangs, or whatever else they can do to pay for the prison, instead of my taxes going to get them three squares a day...when I don't even get that myself.

Tent city, pink underwear, bolonga for meals.
For the more trustworthy, prison work release, or chain gangs,
FOr the more dangerous: Working to help the prison run.

Maybe for the non-violent offenders teach them a trade to use on the outside. And everyone should be on a set schedule. Everyone up at 6 or 7 am. and in bed by 9pm. Make punishment show them how to get a schedule and keep it. So they can keep a job after released.

And sex offender in the states is pretty broad term. Don't know how the UK does it.