School principal bans Santa, Thanksgiving and Pledge of Allegiance

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Santa Claus is banned. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer recited. “Harvest festival” has replaced Thanksgiving, and “winter celebrations” substitute for Christmas parties.
I'm okay with this. Parents can have their kids do holidays on their own time.
In a recent directive to all schools, the city Department of Education said it permits holiday symbols including Christmas trees, kinaras (candleholders for Kwanzaa), dreidels, Hanukkah menorahs and the Islamic star-and-crescent. Displays that “depict images of deities, religious figures or religious texts” are prohibited.
I think it's sad they cant teach about all the different religion. But when certain religion force children to listen about their religion. Even though the child or teen asked the sit in the library or another place. This is what happens.
 
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I think too often we forget what is important.

What is the role of school? Imo, the role of school is to prepare children for the real world. Specifically, for the real world relative to where they live.

In the US, Thanksgiving and X'mas represent multibillion dollar events. They are a part of the fabric of this country. For many business owners, up to 60% of their entire annual sales happen between October and December.

So, Thanksgiving and X'mas are big deals. Forget about the religious implications, think about the commercial implications. So from that stand point, children and students should be taught about all the various aspects of every holiday. Cover all bases, discuss all religions, origins, celebratory practices, etc etc because that is an education that can translate into money in some point in their lives.

And since when did Santa Claus become a religious figure? Seriously??? He is a magical elf that travels the world via magical flying reindeer who climbs down your chimney and gives you presents if you were good for the year.

Not sure where he appears in the Bible or Quran lol...
 
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G. Glurdjidze, a boyhood friend of Stalin's, relates:
"I began to speak of God, Joseph heard me out, and after a moment's silence, said:
"'You know, they are fooling us, there is no God. . . .'
"I was astonished at these words, I had never heard anything like it before.
"'How can you say such things, Soso?' I exclaimed.
"'I'll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense,' Joseph said.
"'What book is that?' I enquired.
"'Darwin. You must read it,' Joseph impressed on me" - E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12.

What brought back the Christian faith to the Soviet Union? The answer is the terror of the unbelieving atheist! I worry that the anti-God philosophy creeping into American society is going to turn us into a terror similar to what was seen in the Soviet Union!
 
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G. Glurdjidze, a boyhood friend of Stalin's, relates:
"I began to speak of God, Joseph heard me out, and after a moment's silence, said:
"'You know, they are fooling us, there is no God. . . .'
"I was astonished at these words, I had never heard anything like it before.
"'How can you say such things, Soso?' I exclaimed.
"'I'll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense,' Joseph said.
"'What book is that?' I enquired.
"'Darwin. You must read it,' Joseph impressed on me" - E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12.

What brought back the Christian faith to the Soviet Union? The answer is the terror of the unbelieving atheist! I worry that the anti-God philosophy creeping into American society is going to turn us into a terror similar to what was seen in the Soviet Union!

Rabid Anti-Theism has led to the outburst of mental and emotional illness in our country. To the point where psychotropic drugs are now taken regularly by over 30% of the US.
 
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I think too often we forget what is important.

What is the role of school? Imo, the role of school is to prepare children for the real world. Specifically, for the real world relative to where they live.

In the US, Thanksgiving and X'mas represent multibillion dollar events. They are a part of the fabric of this country. For many business owners, up to 60% of their entire annual sales happen between October and December.

So, Thanksgiving and X'mas are big deals. Forget about the religious implications, think about the commercial implications. So from that stand point, children and students should be taught about all the various aspects of every holiday. Cover all bases, discuss all religions, origins, celebratory practices, etc etc because that is an education that can translate into money in some point in their lives.

And since when did Santa Claus become a religious figure? Seriously??? He is a magical elf that travels the world via magical flying reindeer who climbs down your chimney and gives you presents if you were good for the year.

Not sure where he appears in the Bible or Quran lol...

Santa Claus? Saint Nicholas?

http://www.biography.com/people/st-nicholas-204635
 
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I think too often we forget what is important.

What is the role of school? Imo, the role of school is to prepare children for the real world. Specifically, for the real world relative to where they live.

In the US, Thanksgiving and X'mas represent multibillion dollar events. They are a part of the fabric of this country. For many business owners, up to 60% of their entire annual sales happen between October and December.

So, Thanksgiving and X'mas are big deals. Forget about the religious implications, think about the commercial implications. So from that stand point, children and students should be taught about all the various aspects of every holiday. Cover all bases, discuss all religions, origins, celebratory practices, etc etc because that is an education that can translate into money in some point in their lives.

And since when did Santa Claus become a religious figure? Seriously??? He is a magical elf that travels the world via magical flying reindeer who climbs down your chimney and gives you presents if you were good for the year.

Not sure where he appears in the Bible or Quran lol...
Wait wait wait. You advocate for christmas in schools so that children are indoctrinated into commercialism?

Why, that's the most sensible thing I've ever heard.
 
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"'Darwin. You must read it,' Joseph impressed on me" - E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12.

What a fascinatingly unlikely anecdote, given that the Soviet Union rejected Darwin in favor of Lysenko.
 
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The pledge is a thing more at home in North Korea than it is in the US. Getting kids to chant how much they love their country every morning is really creepy.
 
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Rabid Anti-Theism has led to the outburst of mental and emotional illness in our country. To the point where psychotropic drugs are now taken regularly by over 30% of the US.
What does this have to do with anti-theism?
 
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Santa Claus and St. Nick have virtually nothing in common. I can give plenty of examples if need be.

My point was there is some threadbare connection with an early church bishop named Nicolas.
 
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Wait wait wait. You advocate for christmas in schools so that children are indoctrinated into commercialism?

Why, that's the most sensible thing I've ever heard.

Oh, I gots more where that came from.

Same argument applies to art and music.

The marketplace spends hundreds of billions of dollars on art and music, there is art and music everywhere, ad copy, commercials, marketing, video games, movies, webpages, everything has an art and music component. So the argument of getting rid of Art and Music programs in schools and treating them like frivolous subjects is a HUGE mistake. You have effectively removed your students from a hundred BILLION dollar pool of Commerce.

On the other hand, how much money is Johnny going to make knowing the history of the Roman Empire? If Johnny knows how to play the Sax because of grade school, Jr high, and High school band, Johnny can actually make money playing in bars, street corners, etc and at the very least feed himself. Same can't be said with him spouting off facts about the Roman Empire...

So yeah, imo, when thinking about "the children" and what is best for them, we should focus on Commerce. Follow the money. How is this subject going to help Johnny get a job and feed his family? Everything we teach needs to be able to somehow answer that question. In this case, like I said above, X'mas and Thanksgiving make up 60% of sales for many industries, so 'nuff said. Celebrate them and educate your students about them...
 
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Oh, I gots more where that came from.

Same argument applies to art and music.

The marketplace spends hundreds of billions of dollars on art and music, there is art and music everywhere, ad copy, commercials, marketing, video games, movies, webpages, everything has an art and music component. So the argument of getting rid of Art and Music programs in schools and treating them like frivolous subjects is a HUGE mistake. You have effectively removed your students from a hundred BILLION dollar pool of Commerce.

On the other hand, how much money is Johnny going to make knowing the history of the Roman Empire? If Johnny knows how to play the Sax because of grade school, Jr high, and High school band, Johnny can actually make money playing in bars, street corners, etc and at the very least feed himself. Same can't be said with him spouting off facts about the Roman Empire...

So yeah, imo, when thinking about "the children" and what is best for them, we should focus on Commerce. Follow the money. How is this subject going to help Johnny get a job and feed his family? Everything we teach needs to be able to somehow answer that question. In this case, like I said above, X'mas and Thanksgiving make up 60% of sales for many industries, so 'nuff said. Celebrate them and educate your students about them...
So anything that can't be used for making money should never be taught and just be forgotten? Philosophy, history, ancient techniques of worksmanship that have become obsolete?
 
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I'm okay with this. Parents can have their kids do holidays on their own time.
I think it's sad they cant teach about all the different religion. But when certain religion force children to listen about their religion. Even though the child or teen asked the sit in the library or another place. This is what happens.
Whatb happens if they teach about various religions BUT require everyone to listen to all the lessons if there will be questions on each on say an exam.
 
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I'm okay with this. Parents can have their kids do holidays on their own time.
I think it's sad they cant teach about all the different religion. But when certain religion force children to listen about their religion. Even though the child or teen asked the sit in the library or another place. This is what happens.
Whatb happens if they teach about various religions BUT require everyone to listen to all the lessons if there will be questions on each on say an exam.
 
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Why ban Santa?

School bullying.

Santa punched Arius during a debate at the Council of Nicaea over a difference of opinion (plus, Santa wanted his lunch money).
 
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