Saudis' role in Iraq insurgency outlined

[dignitized]

I agree. We need to find a way to stop such a heavy reliance on SA, then the monarchy would fall. Sadly, this is not in the cards.

Oh yes - let the monarchy fall. Didn't we learn our lesson from the last time we abandoned an ally to murderous radical elements?

 

[dignitized]

I really don't think anyone is surprised by this news.Most of us know that Saudia Arabia should be on the list of terrorist nations!

OH there is no doubt that plenty of terrorists come from Suadi Arabia - but they are not sanctioned by the government.

 

[dignitized]

The differance would be that hte Syrian and Iranian govts. are backing hte terrorists, where as the Saudi govt is not. Atleast there isnt proof they are.

EXACTLY.

 

[CCGirl]

The Saudi government is a good ally - but they are a minority in that country.

So you like dictatorships? Especially ones who push and promote radical ideologies?

 

[CCGirl]

Oh yes - let the monarchy fall. Didn't we learn our lesson from the last time we abandoned an ally to murderous radical elements?

And who would that be?

 

[CGL]

So you like dictatorships? Especially ones who push and promote radical ideologies?

One word, Stalin.

 

[CCGirl]

One word, Stalin.

Noted as a yes, you like Stalin and dictatorships.

Next.

 

[soblessed53]

OH there is no doubt that plenty of terrorists come from Suadi Arabia - but they are not sanctioned by the government.

Excuse me,but that is quite unbelievable considering how much money they spend building Mosques in non-muslim countries and surprise,surprise when those very Mosques are found to be the training centers for terrorists within our own nations!

 

[WeBe1]

And who would that be?

Iran.
Study the Jimmy Carter years.

 

[CCGirl]

Iran.
Study the Jimmy Carter years.

You are missing an important piece of history when you say Iran.

The USA went in, deposed a democratically elected President, reinstalled the Shaw, and when the people rose up and threw off the imposed dictatorship, you think the USA should have attacked them AGAIN?


No wonder there is still the odd war supporter out there in the US.

 

[WeBe1]

Excuse me,but that is quite unbelievable considering how much money they spend building Mosques in non-muslim countries and surprise,surprise when those very Mosques are found to be the training centers for terrorists within our own nations!

Training centers in our country? What country are you from?

In my country (USA) the majority of the mosques have been peaceful. however, There have been a few radical Islamist-fascists come out of them. I would not call them a training center, but perhaps a recruiting center. There is a difference.

 

[WeBe1]

You are missing an important piece of history when youcalim Iran.

The USA went in, deposed a democratically elected President, reinstalled the Shaw, and when the people rose up and threw off the imposed dictatorship, you think the USA should have attacked them AGAIN?


No wonder there is still the odd war supporter out there in the US.

Iran was formally an ally with Iran until those years.

In speculation; if Jimmy Carter had not withdrawn U.S. support for the Shah there would not have been a hostage crisis that paralyzed this country for 444 days, there would not be an insane Islamic government in Iran today and we would not have this nuclear crisis. Iran was a strong ally during the cold war and would be an ally in the war on terror instead of a supporter of terror. The lives of the average Iranian would be much better, there would still be religious freedom as there was under the Shah, and Jimmy Carter could have used his influence with the Shah to improve the political freedoms in Iran.

 

[CCGirl]

Iran was formally an ally with Iran until those years.

In speculation; if Jimmy Carter had not withdrawn U.S. support for the Shah there would not have been a hostage crisis that paralyzed this country for 444 days, there would not be an insane Islamic government in Iran today and we would not have this nuclear crisis. Iran was a strong ally during the cold war and would be an ally in the war on terror instead of a supporter of terror. The lives of the average Iranian would be much better, there would still be religious freedom as there was under the Shah, and Jimmy Carter could have used his influence with the Shah to improve the political freedoms in Iran.

No, in hindsight, the USA should have never deposed the elected PM Mossaddeq. Then there would have been no revolution, no hostage crisis, etc.

We also would not be seeing the massive "blowback" of Islamic "terrorism" if the USA stopped interfering in other sovereign countries.

 

[BibleMadeMeDoIt]

Excuse me,but that is quite unbelievable considering how much money they spend building Mosques in non-muslim countries and surprise,surprise when those very Mosques are found to be the training centers for terrorists within our own nations!

I see your still having trouble understanding that Mosque + People does not equal terrorist training camp. That would be a dream come true for Al-Qaeda, would make their job a lot cheaper and easier than making all those stupid videos, cd's, posting websites and writing books which are banned in Saudi Arabia.

Saudia Arabia funds religious education, it was be idiotic to fund terrorist training that would lead to them being the target since extremist HATE the kingdom. The Mosque my husband and I attend sometimes was built with Saudi funds but it is NOT a terrorist training center. They have to follow stupid rules like women in one room and men in another to keep funding coming in but there is NO violent teaching going on and nothing evil about the place. The majority of Mosque are very family oriented. The last time I was there a baby girl was learning to walk in the men's section and you would think it was a freaking football game going on, everyone was cheering, so much for the big bad gun tooting, blood thirsty terrorist. Of course I was like how ironic, they are cheering for her now but once she gets her period she is banned from that section.

 

[CGL]

No, in hindsight, the USA should have never deposed the elected PM Mossaddeq. Then there would have been no revolution, no hostage crisis, etc.

We also would not be seeing the massive "blowback" of Islamic "terrorism" if the USA stopped interfering in other sovereign countries.

Is there ANY crisis in the world, you don't blame on the United States?

 

[WeBe1]

No, in hindsight, the USA should have never deposed the elected PM Mossaddeq. Then there would have been no revolution, no hostage crisis, etc.

We also would not be seeing the massive "blowback" of Islamic "terrorism" if the USA stopped interfering in other sovereign countries.

You are wrong.

Islamic terrorist hurass & murder other nations of the world & not solely the US or westernised civilizations.

Who do you think should help bring peace to the world?
Should the US have not gotten involved with WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, ect, ect.

 

[CCGirl]

Is there ANY crisis in the world, you don't blame on the United States?

Noone is personally attacking you, just your govt and foreign policy, yet you are defensive. The USA is only responsible for what it has carried out itself. We dont need a world-supercop.



Once again, I repeat, I am anti-Imperialist, anti colonialism, anti-neo-colonialism. If this was 100 years ago, I would be vocal about British Imperialism.

 

[CCGirl]

You are wrong.

Islamic terrorist hurass & murder other nations of the world & not solely the US or westernised civilizations.

Who do you think should help bring peace to the world?
Should the US have not gotten involved with WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, ect, ect.

THERE WAS NO "ISLAMIC" TERRORISM WHEN THE PM WAS DEPOSED AND THE DICTATOR WAS INSTALLED. The "terrorism" rose in response to the people having their democracy taken away and being forced to live under a foreign-backed dictator. That is the point, and why the term blowback applies so well. We are now seeing the results of 60 years of meddling in other peoples countries.

We dont need any one country to bring peace to the world, this is an outdated notion. Especially "peace" at the end of a rifle. Or peace Iran style in 1953.

As for other wars and armed interventions, the USA has been at war since its inception, and they certainly had no business in Vietnam, or El Salvador, Nicaragua, Columbia, Chile, Argentina, Panama, Haiti, China, Cuba, Dominican Republic, The Middle East as a whole, etc. How many foreign military bases are on US soil vs. US military bases on foreign soil?

 

[BibleMadeMeDoIt]

Islamic terrorist hurass & murder other nations of the world & not solely the US or westernised civilizations.

If you list all the nations that have had terrorism problems and Islamic terrorist are involved, 99% of the time it can be traced back to some US involvement.

Prior to 2003, the region of the world that was responsible for and the target of the majority of terrorist attacks was Columbia. Islamic "terrorism" only became a major problem with Iraq war. Islamic terrorist were responsible for no more than 10 attacks in any given year, prior to the invasion of Iraq.

 

[WeBe1]

THERE WAS NO "ISLAMIC" TERRORISM WHEN THE PM WAS DEPOSED AND THE DICTATOR WAS INSTALLED. The "terrorism" rose in response to the people having their democracy taken away and being forced to live under a foreign-backed dictator. That is the point, and why the term blowback applies so well. We are now seeing the results of 60 years of meddling in other peoples countries.

We dont need any one country to bring peace to the world, this is an outdated notion. Especially "peace" at the end of a rifle. Or peace Iran style in 1953.

As for other wars and armed interventions, the USA has been at war since its inception, and they certainly had no business in Vietnam, or El Salvador, Nicaragua, Columbia, Chile, Argentina, Panama, Haiti, China, Cuba, Dominican Republic, The Middle East as a whole, etc. How many foreign military bases are on US soil vs. US military bases on foreign soil?

Peace comes with a hefty price, without the sword there would be no fear, no peace. These countries have alloud us to set up basis with them, it is for protection when it is needed. If people learned to live in peace with out force, then we wouldn't need the police or a police state. Unfortunately there is way to much evil to prevent that.

There has been Islomic Terrorism for centuries, not just these past few years. The style has changed, the idiology has not.