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Saddleback Church supports wife batterers

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by Oscarr, May 20, 2011.

  1. visionary

    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

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    Synogogue attendees still get divorced too....

    Variation in divorce rates by religion:

    Religion % have been divorced
    Jews 30%
    Born-again Christians 27%
    Other Christians 24%
    Atheists, Agnostics 21%


    U.S. divorce rates: for various faith groups, age groups and geographical areas
     
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    MichaelMyNameIs, I usually respect you, even when I disagree with you. I strongly disagree with you. I have been free from an abusive wife for decades now, and there are still places that it has a negative effect on my spirit. Persecution and martyrdom from outside sources is not the same as an abusive marriage.

    Unfortunately, separation gives no legal relief, and leaves the victim even more vulnerable in other areas. An abusive spouse can do irreversible financial harm as long as the marriage is legally intact, and during separation the abused spouse is not around to be manage the damage. An experienced abuser can use the separation to actually tighten the control, and assure that the victim will never try to be free again.

    To the victim, like others have said, being forced out of a church that is willing to join with an abuser is not a bad thing. You were in an organization that was more corporation than congregation, and they forcefully gave you the opportunity to find a true church. They did you a favor and I hope you took advantage of it.
     
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    Sorry I meant SCOAN Synagogue Church of all Nations from T. B. Joshua. I saw a movie: wife beats me up, marriage from hell. Wish we had gone there. They can't help with the real hard cases here.
     
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    Names, dates, results, and numbers were kept confidential, but generalities about the use of the "House of Ruth" were released at times that it couldn't be traced to particular people. The "House of Ruth" was also used by the church's ministry to the Honolulu prostitutes as a place to take a woman immediately off the street and into care and treatment (and away from her pimp) when she gave her life to Christ.
     
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    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

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    Hard core cases are often the worse without any salvageable answers.
     
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    May you all enjoy a wonderful Thanksgiving for those living in the States. For those living elsewhere have an inspired week. I want to thank every single one of you who took time to converse on this subject. It can be a very hot topic and it can trigger a lot of unhealed wounds. My hope is that each of you would take a half a step back and realize we are all on the same team, we play different positions but we all ultimately want the same thing. At the end of the day, may we see that our differences are small and our love and compassion is great.

    I truly with all of my heart thank you for taking the time to have an opinion here even though it was skewed to your own personal experiences. Keep in mind. my husband and I separated after 1 altercation. Not all persons are that fortunate. If you suspect there is anything like this going on...it is our duty to reach out and help the family heal, however the Holy Spirit leads. Not according to pride on anyone's part.

    and for those who have PM'd me. I am unable to respond until I reach the threshold of 15 posts or so. I am not intentionally ignoring you.
     
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    Alithis argue all you can-JESUS is STILL LORD

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    then sadly you have simply missed what i said.. everyone ,bar one,(who has been most gracious),read into it from a emotional and carnal legal political worldview stance.

    not a a spiritual biblical stance of faith,, the west does appear to believe words like .. i called unto the lord in my distress and he delivered me or call unto me and i will answer thee... and because it does not believe god is able to help,heal, restore ,deliver..it teaches them, not scripture ,but worldly philosophy..and in this the church is failing them .
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    and my ex (shes remarried) and i are now brother and sister in our lord and get on wonderfully being restored to peace in our heavenly fathers house..with God all things are possible.. restoring marriage is not the end game..restoring right standing in God through christ jesus ,who, while we were yet dead in sin- ,haters,malicious,murderers,spiteful,lovers of self ,violent and base..- laid down his life for us.. is the end game .(being in a happy marriage does not save ones soul)
    you see i'm simply promoting a love that exceeds worldly concept ..a love that desires nothing but that all be saved...

    folks must not add things ,by assumption, that i did not say.
     
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    Marriage does not save one's soul, but an abusive enough marriage can destroy one's faith.

    I've had 20 years to look back on my first marriage, and I the only times I regretted the divorce were times that I was listening to the lies of The Accuser. My ex-wife almost killed me once. Letting that continue to escalate would have served only Satan.

    To her credit, my first wife is not that same person now, but I would never have seen that if we had stayed married.
     
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    Alithis argue all you can-JESUS is STILL LORD

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    i long to find words so gentle to point out that this type of thinking is the very crux of what im saying in regard to love and faith and the western error.
    it ,the sentiment, opposes scripture ..nothing can separate us, ..
    note i have not ever suggested a person remain in a position to be cruelly beaten ..our god given common sense seeks to avoid such blows..im not really addressing that aspect of the topic at all,but rather the spiritual precepts of godly love which sees the offender as demonically imprisoned in self hate shame and sin and desires their salvation at any cost..even death on a cross .
    all else is minor in comparison.scripture says so..our present sufferings being not comparable to the glories to come..,and we must note the setting this was written was a time where being dragged off and put to death was a reality.yey we are taught to pray for our captives.. the same adversary who inspired men to so beat and murder works today in the sinful hearts of men who wickedly bash others.
    some inferred i was trying to encourage a victim become a martyr.. on the contrary..because of the spiritual evil attacking them i honor them with the recognition that..they already are.. and agree with the holy script that their escape is into God .. for with him ..all things are possible ..BELIEVE only BELIEVE..

    i will leave it at that because expounding more risks perceptional misunderstanding..
    and these words summarize it well enough Love Hope faith.. ..Only believe
     
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    I know what you mean.
    If some devils had been kicked out instead of my ex and me fighting each other we would still be married. He hit me physically and I did it verbally. Oh well we're good friends now and the demons are gone and we can help others now in that situation.
     
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