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Rich Warren & Joel Osteen preach the Daniel Diet!

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by TruthWave7, Dec 4, 2011.

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  1. TruthWave7

    TruthWave7 New Member

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    A few years ago mega church Pastor Joel Osteen preached his blockbuster sermon in Houston, TX regarding what the Bible says about unclean meats, breaking ranks with 99% of the Evangelical, Catholic, and Protestant churches of North America, by basically saying in his sermon that the Old Covenant dietary laws are still valid in the New Covenant.


    Link to Joel Osteen's sermon on unclean meats.

    Joel Osteen teaches Christians about PORK! - YouTube


    This year, another well known mega church pastor Rick Warren, is now preaching a similar message to what Joel Osteen preached, based on the OT prophet Daniel's request to shun unclean meats while in Babylon, as recorded in the OT book of Daniel, chapter 1. Rick calls it the Daniel Plan. Note link below.

    The Daniel Plan - Eat

    This issue is putting Evangelicals in a difficult and confusing position as 99% of Evangelicals have been told by their pastors for many decades that those laws were nailed to the cross, and are irrelevant to NC Christians. As an SDA, I feel our church is being vindicated, after being derided for over a hundred years now, by Evangelicals, Catholics, and Protestants churches for teaching that the dietary laws were not ceremonial and transitory in nature, but were given by God for the spiritual, mental, and physical health of mankind.

    Daniel 1:1-21

    1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. 2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with some of the articles of the house of God, which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the articles into the treasure house of his god.
    3 Then the king instructed Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring some of the children of Israel and some of the king’s descendants and some of the nobles, 4 young men in whom there was no blemish, but good-looking, gifted in all wisdom, possessing knowledge and quick to understand, who had ability to serve in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the language and literature of the Chaldeans. 5 And the king appointed for them a daily provision of the king’s delicacies and of the wine which he drank, and three years of training for them, so that at the end of that time they might serve before the king. 6 Now from among those of the sons of Judah were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. 7 To them the chief of the eunuchs gave names: he gave Daniel the name Belteshazzar; to Hananiah, Shadrach; to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abed-Nego.
    8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank; therefore he requested of the chief of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself. 9 Now God had brought Daniel into the favor and goodwill of the chief of the eunuchs. 10 And the chief of the eunuchs said to Daniel, “I fear my lord the king, who has appointed your food and drink. For why should he see your faces looking worse than the young men who are your age? Then you would endanger my head before the king.”
    11 So Daniel said to the steward[a] whom the chief of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah,
    12 "Please test your servants for ten days, and let them give us vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then let our appearance be examined before you, and the appearance of the young men who eat the portion of the king’s delicacies; and as you see fit, so deal with your servants.” 14 So he consented with them in this matter, and tested them ten days.
    15 And at the end of ten days their features appeared better and fatter in flesh than all the young men who ate the portion of the king’s delicacies. 16 Thus the steward took away their portion of delicacies and the wine that they were to drink, and gave them vegetables.
    17 As for these four young men, God gave them knowledge and skill in all literature and wisdom; and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
    18 Now at the end of the days, when the king had said that they should be brought in, the chief of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar. 19 Then the king interviewed[b] them, and among them all none was found like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah; therefore they served before the king. 20 And in all matters of wisdom and understanding about which the king examined them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers who were in all his realm." 21
     
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  2. Publius

    Publius Guest

    People who preach about "The Daniel Diet" crack me up. Have they never read the text? Daniel doesn't lose weight on this forced diet. He gained weight.

    The whole point of the text was that, rather than wasting away, like Nebuchadnezzar planned, God blessed them and prospered him because of his refusal to eat the pagan food.
     
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  3. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus I AM WHAT I AM

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  4. cesty

    cesty Philippians 4:19

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    It would do us all well to follow such a diet. That which the Bible deems to be "unclean" is very unhealthy, and should not be consumed.

    By the way, I used to eat chicken and turkey until I watched a video on how they manufacture meat. I was so repulsed by this process that I vowed not to eat that stuff again (unless I absolutely had to in order to survive).

    The next thing I need to do is get rid of the pizza. Although, that is going to be very difficult. :) As I am getting older, I'm realizing more and more that I need to give up certain foods. Of course, I could always eat cheese in moderation. The problem, however, is that I have great difficulty doing that. :)
     
  5. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus I AM WHAT I AM

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    I almost quit eating da chiken when I read this thread :)

    http://www.christianforums.com/t7405985/
    Who Eats Chicken?

    [​IMG]
     
  6. God's Word

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    Nearly two thousand years ago, the Apostle Paul penned the following:

    I Timothy 4:1-6

    "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving. For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained."

    ACCORDING TO SPIRIT LED PAUL (IOW, don't anybody bother accusing me of "flaming"...I'm merely repeating what he said), there are two different camps on this issue:

    1. Lying, hypocritical, conscience seared, spiritually seduced, demonic doctrine teachers who have departed from the faith and tell us to abstain from meats.

    2. Good ministers of Jesus Christ who believe and know the truth and who are nourished up in the words of faith and good doctrine who put the brethren in remembrance that EVERY CREATURE of God is good and NOTHING to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

    As for me, I'll stick with those who are part of the latter group and be one myself.

    [​IMG]:yum:
     
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  7. Frogster

    Frogster Galatians is the best!

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    who cares about osteen, he thinks you can have whatever postive confession brings. All he ever talks about is getting rich, and he thinks the angel stuck Zec quiet in Luke, so that Zec could not make a "negative confession", whereby thwarting the whole plan of salvation.

    tell that texan to tell his texas church, they are sinning if they eat pork bbq, and watch how fast his tithe income would fall.:D
     
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    Frogster Galatians is the best!

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    "unclean" lobster has good nutrients.:)
     
  9. Strong in Him

    Strong in Him I can do all things through Christ Supporter

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    Threads like this make me want to go off and have a bacon sandwich.

    None of my questions to Truthwave and other SDAs, from the other threads, have been answered, so he starts another one!

    ALL the big Christian evangelists, writers, Pastors - even the President of the Methodist Conference - could say that abstaining from pork is a good idea for health reasons. JESUS did not say it or demand it of his Gentile followers, and none of you have produced a Scripture to the contrary. End of.

    Now, where are those sausage rolls? :yum:
     
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    Frogster Galatians is the best!

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    try italian hot sausges..:thumbsup::D
     
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    Rick Otto The Dude Abides

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    OT Diet:
    Lots of Fried Frog Legs & obey at least one commandment twice a day.
     
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  12. Sieben

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    I fast 3 times a week, it's much better than the Daniel diet :p

    And clears up any skin problems quickly too.
     
  13. Strong in Him

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    If they're hot because of chili or curry, forget it.
    Why ruin a perfectly good piece of meat with sauces, I always say - with the exception of apple sauce, white sauce or gravy.
     
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  14. cesty

    cesty Philippians 4:19

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    The question that needs to be addressed here is, What did Paul mean by "meats"?

    And if the creatures Paul is referring to as having been created by God "to be received" as food, included unclean things, why did God command His people to refrain from eating them at an earlier time, if they were created to be received as food? (Leviticus 11)
     
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    I believe that the answer to your question is found within the text itself, for we read:

    "For EVERY CREATURE of God is good, and NOTHING to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving."

    Seems pretty obvious to me. Elsewhere, Paul said:

    Romans 14:14

    "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

    Again, NOTHING is unclean in and of itself. It is actually people who "esteem things to be unclean" that make them unclean in their own minds. For such, they ought not to eat, as:

    Romans 14:23

    "...whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

    I believe that the answer to this question is found in Acts chapters 10 and 11. You know, where Peter is thrice given a vision of a great sheet full of "unclean beasts" and told by God to "Rise, kill and eat". Of course, in this account, the "unclean beasts" were SYMBOLIC of the Gentiles to whom God was now sending Peter. With this in mind, I have no problem believing that such "unclean beasts" were always meant to be SYMBOLIC of unclean people, even as certain other foods in the Old Testament were SYMBOLIC of Christ.
     
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    cesty Philippians 4:19

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    I would also like to point out that if a person is telling you it is a sin to eat meat, then that is wrong. However, when a person tells you that it would be best to refrain from eating meat because it is better for your health to be a vegetarian, then I see nothing wrong with that.

    For the most part, meats today are not like they were during Paul's time. If you saw the video I watched, you likely wouldn't want to eat that chicken anymore. Of course, then there is an issue with growth hormones, and a number of other things they're pumping into this stuff.
     
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    growth hormones & lots of anti-biotics to help them survive the increased filthiness of modern production methods
    we started spending the extra for organic & free range, unless we get 'em for dirt cheap from locals. I live in a small town near lots of farmers & county residents that garden & have chickens.
     
  18. cesty

    cesty Philippians 4:19

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    It's good to see that you acknowledge that this vision was given to Peter to inform him that the Gentiles were not to be looked at as "unclean." Most people tend to think it was given to Peter for the purpose of telling him that it's OK to eat unclean things. Hence, they miss the whole point of the vision.

    But I'm not making the connection that God commanded His people not to eat unclean things for symbolical purposes. Keep in mind that even before Leviticus 11 came to be, Noah was commanded to take only two of each unclean beast/animal onto the ark. This suggests that even then it wasn't permissible by God to eat these things. Of course, they were also called "unclean" back then, too (see Gen. 7:2).

    I would need more evidence before accepting the idea that God didn't want His people to eat unclean things for symbolical purposes.
     
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    cesty Philippians 4:19

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    The growth hormone is injected to make them fatter.

    Check this out:

    Growth Hormones in Animals - YouTube

    If you are going to eat meat, go organic. Of course, it is much more expensive to do that. And it still isn't healthier than being a vegetarian. But ultimately, the choice is yours. I don't condemn anyone for eating meat.
     
  20. Aibrean

    Aibrean Honest. Maybe too Honest.

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    It depends where you go for meat. Trader Joes had 96% lean meat for $5 lb.
     
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