rasputin saint or sinner?

[spartacus1984]

rasputin saint or sinner?

 

[Lukaris]

Definitely not a saint. Interestingly, there were 2 major events in his life that might have proven otherwise. He actually journeyed to Mt. Athos to become a monk but witnessed debauchery (Athos is not rife in this) in the cell he was to join & left in disgust. In the summer of 1914, he was out of town from St. Petersburg but learned of Russia drifting into WW I & wanted to beg the Czar to remain neutral. Rasputin's efforts were either interfered with or ignored & from there he seemed to resign himself to the hetero debauchery he had at least previously struggled with.

These accounts are in the book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Life-Times-Grigorii-Rasputin/dp/0881844845


Just another tragedy in our fallen world.

 

[Cappadocious]

Seriously?

 

[ArmyMatt]

not one

 

[Wesley1982]

I don't know enough about Rasputin to determine if he meets the criteria of a saint in the Church.

 

[Mariya116]

Saint or sinner? He was some kind of political figure in Czar Nicholas II's time as far as I know.

 

[Kristos]

Oy!

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Definitely not a saint. Interestingly, there were 2 major events in his life that might have proven otherwise. He actually journeyed to Mt. Athos to become a monk but witnessed debauchery (Athos is not rife in this) in the cell he was to join & left in disgust. In the summer of 1914, he was out of town from St. Petersburg but learned of Russia drifting into WW I & wanted to beg the Czar to remain neutral. Rasputin's efforts were either interfered with or ignored & from there he seemed to resign himself to the hetero debauchery he had at least previously struggled with.

These accounts are in the book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Life-Times-Grigorii-Rasputin/dp/0881844845


Just another tragedy in our fallen world.

I heard he was involved in the Occult as well later on.....and he never seemed to be all there from the descriptions given of him.

 

[jckstraw72]

i think its safe to say that much of what we think about him was made up or exaggerated by the Russian intelligentsia in order to sully the reputation of the Royal Martyrs. We hear all kinds of wild things about him - like that he pretended to be a monk - but he had a family that he would visit and send money to, and the Tsar knew this. I'm not saying he's a Saint, but i dont think he's a human demon like we tend to think. he was probably a good, pious man (St. John of Kronstadt was impressed by him early on) who may have had legitimate gifts from God to heal the Tsarevich, but who did eventually give into the temptations of big city life to some degree. but he was not a debaucherous wretch from day one like we are commonly taught.

 

[gzt]

Whether he is a "saint" or not is up to God's judgment, but he is definitely not and will never be a "Saint".

 

[Protoevangel]

God knows.

All I know are stories, rumors, and gossip.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Definitely not a saint. Interestingly, there were 2 major events in his life that might have proven otherwise. He actually journeyed to Mt. Athos to become a monk but witnessed debauchery (Athos is not rife in this) in the cell he was to join & left in disgust. In the summer of 1914, he was out of town from St. Petersburg but learned of Russia drifting into WW I & wanted to beg the Czar to remain neutral. Rasputin's efforts were either interfered with or ignored & from there he seemed to resign himself to the hetero debauchery he had at least previously struggled with.

These accounts are in the book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Life-Times-Grigorii-Rasputin/dp/0881844845


Just another tragedy in our fallen world.

There was actually another discussion elsewhere which seemed insightful:

• "Truth about Grigori Rasputin
• Orthodox Church Takes On Rasputin - OrthodoxChristianity.net
• MYSTAGOGY: Russian Sects: From Rasputin to the 'Jesus of Siberia'

 

[Nick Moser]

The Real Gregory Rasputin | Orthodox England

 

[Anhelyna]

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