Quotes on Sabbath

[MamaZ]

The Lords day is everyday.

 

[Gary51]

Jesus celebrated the most important form of worship, the Eucharist which He commanded them to celebrate at the Last Supper, on a Sunday (Luke 24:1, 30). The Church certainly has merit in establishing this tradition, whether or not is explicit in Scripture (a false criteria anyway). Jesus set the precedent for this a number of times in which He "violated" Sabbath rules of the OT (eg. John 5:16)

To violate the Sabbath would be to sin. Jesus was perfect and never sinned.

 

[Gary51]

The Lords day is everyday.

Where does it say that in scripture?

In fact I believe that the Day of the Lord and the Lord's day are the same?

The Day of the Lord or the Lord's day is the coming Millennium.

A thousand years is as one day, and one day is as a thousand years.

 

[Standing Up]

Only God can make a day holy!

The Spirit was poured out many times on different days, were all those days holy? God had a work that needed to be done and it was accomplished. Pentecost wasn't about some expression to show that Sunday was the new sabbath. It was about teaching truth to the multitude in attendance. Remember that the Spirit added to the church daily. So His power was at work daily. Is every day a holy day now? Most certainly not.

Lev. 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it [is] a solemn assembly; [and] ye shall do no servile work [therein].

 

[Standing Up]

Did the Lord not "speak" His commandments first before writing them down? If so, why would anyone fail to heed His voice?

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Ex. 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

Thus the Levitical priesthood was born; things written down.

 

[RND]

Lev. 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it [is] a solemn assembly; [and] ye shall do no servile work [therein].

Context and a desire for understanding are always desired and important.

What you have described here is an element in the feast of Tabernacles or Booths. And just like your birthday or the Fourth of July, and all other feasts and festivals in the Torah the date was always the same but that doesn't mean the day that the feast fell on was always the same.

The feast of Tabernacles was always to start on the fifteenth day of the seventh month. But just as the Fourth of July doesn't always fall on a Saturday or a Tuesday neither did Tabernacles fall always on the exact day. So it is a fallacious assumption to suggest that the "eight day" is in reference to Sunday. All it simply means is that the feast lasted eight days.

 

[RND]

Somehow this doesn't answer my questions. Did the Lord not "speak" His commandments first before writing them down? If so, why would anyone fail to heed His voice?

Ex. 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

The COI promised to perform the words of the Lord - His covenant, which was spoken, before the word was ever written on stone it was spoken by the Lord.

Thus the Levitical priesthood was born; things written down.

The priesthood of Levy was only one aspect of the Mosaic law.

 

[Standing Up]

Sunday is the first and eighth day. It has nothing to do with the seventh day Sabbath. It has nothing to do with resurrection falsely claimed on Sunday morning.

This is what it has to do with:

Lev. 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day [shall be] a sabbath, and on the eighth day [shall be] a sabbath.

Jn. 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.

Jn. 20:26 And after eight days again (counting inclusively is Sunday to Sunday) his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.

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So it is a fallacious assumption to suggest that the "eight day" is in reference to Sunday. All it simply means is that the feast lasted eight days.

Except that is what happened.

The Israelites physically stood ready to advance into the Promised Land, but refused to 'hear His voice' and enter. That's Pentecost. Later Joshua would lead them in, but there still remains a day of rest.

So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. Now some assume that is the seventh day, but they are wrong. They are wrong because there were plenty of seventh days during Joshua's reign. I implore you to enter His Sabbath rest, into the Lord's Day.

 

[Stryder06]

Except that is what happened.

The Israelites physically stood ready to advance into the Promised Land, but refused to 'hear His voice' and enter. That's Pentecost. Later Joshua would lead them in, but there still remains a day of rest.

So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. Now some assume that is the seventh day, but they are wrong. They are wrong because there were plenty of seventh days during Joshua's reign. I implore you to enter His Sabbath rest, into the Lord's Day.

The sabbath rest spoken of in Hebrews isn't talking about the sabbath God established. Again the word has to be understood in context. I myself believe that Millennium that will be spent with Christ in heaven will be a type of sabbath for the earth if you will. That doesn't make it holy, it simply makes it a time of rest. The word isn't important. It means to rest. It's what happened on that one day of rest that is important. God blessed that day. He sanctified it and made it holy. He did this once. This was done before there was a Jew or before sin even. As such the sabbath was and always shall be holy.

Isaiah tells us that we will gather before God to worship from one sabbath to another and from one new moon to another. God asked us in that same book to stop trampling upon His day. The sabbath was commanded in the fourth commandment to be kept holy. He never once tells us that we can forget that.

Scripture does not show any place where the Sunday took the place of Saturday as the sabbath.

 

[RND]

Except that is what happened.

The Israelites physically stood ready to advance into the Promised Land, but refused to 'hear His voice' and enter. That's Pentecost. Later Joshua would lead them in, but there still remains a day of rest.

There is nothing in scripture to suggest that the day the COI were to enter into Canaan was "the day of Pentecost." That is some far out stuff.

So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

A sabbatismos - a "sabbath keeping."

Now some assume that is the seventh day, but they are wrong. They are wrong because there were plenty of seventh days during Joshua's reign. I implore you to enter His Sabbath rest, into the Lord's Day.

The COI didn't enter into "that" rest because of disobedience.

Hbr 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

What were they disobedient too? The word of God? The voice of God? The commands of God?

Hbr 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? Hbr 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

So it stands to figure that when one refuses to hear the voice of the Lord they can be considered to be disobeying the Lord. This is what it means to "harden" one's heart to the Lord.

 

[RND]

Scripture does not show any place where the Sunday took the place of Saturday as the sabbath.

Stryder, doesn't it get frustrating at times to show absolute and conclusive proof of these things - the sanctity of the seventh-day sabbath and how Satan has managed to corrupt the day and make Sunday his day - and still see the wherewithal that people have to hold on to the false sanctity of Sunday?

 

[Standing Up]

Except that is what happened.

The Israelites physically stood ready to advance into the Promised Land, but refused to 'hear His voice' and enter. That's Pentecost. Later Joshua would lead them in, but there still remains a day of rest.

So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. Now some assume that is the seventh day, but they are wrong. They are wrong because there were plenty of seventh days during Joshua's reign. I implore you to enter His Sabbath rest, into the Lord's Day.

There is nothing in scripture to suggest that the day the COI were to enter into Canaan was "the day of Pentecost." That is some far out stuff.


A sabbatismos - a "sabbath keeping."



The COI didn't enter into "that" rest because of disobedience.

Hbr 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

What were they disobedient too? The word of God? The voice of God? The commands of God?

Hbr 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? Hbr 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

So it stands to figure that when one refuses to hear the voice of the Lord they can be considered to be disobeying the Lord. This is what it means to "harden" one's heart to the Lord.

The point was hearing what God had promised--in this context--you may enter the land. They didn't believe it.

What has God promised us because of Christ? Sabbatismos. Believe it.

 

[Standing Up]

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Scripture does not show any place where the Sunday took the place of Saturday as the sabbath.

Stryder, doesn't it get frustrating at times to show absolute and conclusive proof of these things - the sanctity of the seventh-day sabbath and how Satan has managed to corrupt the day and make Sunday his day - and still see the wherewithal that people have to hold on to the false sanctity of Sunday?

Sunday is the first and eighth day. It has nothing to do with the seventh day Sabbath. It has nothing to do with resurrection falsely claimed on Sunday morning.

This is what it has to do with:

Lev. 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day [shall be] a sabbath, and on the eighth day [shall be] a sabbath.

Jn. 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.

Jn. 20:26 And after eight days again (counting inclusively is Sunday to Sunday) his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.

Seventh day or eighth day or first day. They are called Sabbaths in Scripture.

Is one a substitute for another? No.

Was Rome/Alexandria correct in substituting one for the other? No.

Should we follow the 613 OT laws? No.

Did Christ rise Sunday morning? No.

 

[RND]

The point was hearing what God had promised--in this context--you may enter the land. They didn't believe it.

This is where the huge disconnect starts in not understanding why the COI disbelieved God.

Num 32:13 And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.

What has God promised us because of Christ? Sabbatismos. Believe it.

Oh, I certainly believe the promise of the seventh-day sabbath.

 

[RND]

The COI were all set to actually stone Caleb and Joshua which demonstrated the utter disobedience of the COI to the spoken word of God.

Num 14:10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel.

 

[Standing Up]

This is where the huge disconnect starts in not understanding why the COI disbelieved God.
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Totally wrong. It started at Mt. Sinai when they refused to hear God's voice and so God separated out the Levites and called the rest the COI.

This dichotomy lasted through at least Jesus' time (Acts 5).

We, or at least some of us, OTOH, have come to Mt. Zion. Some strangely prefer and support the dichotomy framework with its priesthood, alter, etc. system, carrying it forward into the NT.

 

[RND]

Seventh day or eighth day or first day. They are called Sabbaths in Scripture.

Right, all are called sabbaths. However only one day has been set aside (sanctified) by God. Again, understanding the feast of Tabernacles would be eye opening for you.

 

[Stryder06]

Stryder, doesn't it get frustrating at times to show absolute and conclusive proof of these things - the sanctity of the seventh-day sabbath and how Satan has managed to corrupt the day and make Sunday his day - and still see the wherewithal that people have to hold on to the false sanctity of Sunday?

Frustrating indeed, but understandable at the same time. Christ put the work of the Holy Spirit in perfect context when He compared it to the wind.

We may never know till we get to heaven who listened to what in regards to what is being said here. But truth is truth, and those seeking after Christ shall find it. The time is shortly upon us where there will be no room for doubt, where the subject will be clearly (even more so than now) set forth, and the decision will have to be made. At that time, those who are on the Lords side shall come to Him.