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Dannager said:
You mean the great scientists who were dead before the modern synthesis of the theory of evolution was developed? I'm afraid those don't count.
Just After Darwin
Richard Owen (1804–1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
Matthew Maury (1806–1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Louis Agassiz (1807–1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth compromiser, polygenist*)
Henry Rogers (1808–1866) Geology
James Glaisher (1809–1903) Meteorology
Philip H. Gosse (1810–1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810–1895) Archeologist
James Simpson (1811–1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
James Dana (1813–1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817–1901) Agricultural Chemist
James Joule (1818–1889) Thermodynamics
Thomas Anderson (1819–1874) Chemist
Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900) Astronomy
George Stokes (1819–1903) Fluid Mechanics
John William Dawson (1820–1899) Geology (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Rudolph Virchow (1821–1902) Pathology
Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) (WOH) Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization
Henri Fabre (1823–1915) Entomology of living insects
William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*)
William Huggins (1824–1910) Astral spectrometry
Bernhard Riemann (1826–1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
Joseph Lister (1827–1912) Antiseptic surgery
Balfour Stewart (1828–1887) Ionospheric electricity
James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics
P.G. Tait (1831–1901) Vector analysis
John Bell Pettigrew (1834–1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842–1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases
Sir William Abney (1843–1920) Astronomy
Alexander MacAlister (1844–1919) Anatomy
A.H. Sayce (1845–1933) Archeologist
John Ambrose Fleming (1849–1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
The Modern Period
Dr Clifford Burdick, Geologist
George Washington Carver (1864–1943) Inventor
L. Merson Davies (1890–1960) Geology; Paleontology
Douglas Dewar (1875–1957) Ornithologist
Howard A. Kelly (1858–1943) Gynecology
Paul Lemoine (1878–1940) Geology
Dr Frank Marsh, Biology
Dr John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer
Edward H. Maunder (1851–1928) Astronomy
William Mitchell Ramsay (1851–1939) Archeologist
William Ramsay (1852–1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation
Charles Stine (1882–1954) Organic Chemist
Dr Arthur Rendle-Short (1885–1955) Surgeon
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
Dr Larry Butler, Biochemist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer



I have a list of a few hundered other modern YEC scientists, but they aren't as famous as the ones listed here. If you want I can post them too, however.
 
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RightWingGirl said:
Just After Darwin
Richard Owen (1804–1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
Matthew Maury (1806–1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Louis Agassiz (1807–1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth compromiser, polygenist*)
Henry Rogers (1808–1866) Geology
James Glaisher (1809–1903) Meteorology
Philip H. Gosse (1810–1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810–1895) Archeologist
James Simpson (1811–1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
James Dana (1813–1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817–1901) Agricultural Chemist
James Joule (1818–1889) Thermodynamics
Thomas Anderson (1819–1874) Chemist
Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900) Astronomy
George Stokes (1819–1903) Fluid Mechanics
John William Dawson (1820–1899) Geology (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Rudolph Virchow (1821–1902) Pathology
Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) (WOH) Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization
Henri Fabre (1823–1915) Entomology of living insects
William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*)
William Huggins (1824–1910) Astral spectrometry
Bernhard Riemann (1826–1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
Joseph Lister (1827–1912) Antiseptic surgery
Balfour Stewart (1828–1887) Ionospheric electricity
James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics
P.G. Tait (1831–1901) Vector analysis
John Bell Pettigrew (1834–1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842–1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases
Sir William Abney (1843–1920) Astronomy
Alexander MacAlister (1844–1919) Anatomy
A.H. Sayce (1845–1933) Archeologist
John Ambrose Fleming (1849–1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
The Modern Period
Dr Clifford Burdick, Geologist
George Washington Carver (1864–1943) Inventor
L. Merson Davies (1890–1960) Geology; Paleontology
Douglas Dewar (1875–1957) Ornithologist
Howard A. Kelly (1858–1943) Gynecology
Paul Lemoine (1878–1940) Geology
Dr Frank Marsh, Biology
Dr John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer
Edward H. Maunder (1851–1928) Astronomy
William Mitchell Ramsay (1851–1939) Archeologist
William Ramsay (1852–1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation
Charles Stine (1882–1954) Organic Chemist
Dr Arthur Rendle-Short (1885–1955) Surgeon
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
Dr Larry Butler, Biochemist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer



I have a list of a few hundered other modern YEC scientists, but they aren't as famous as the ones listed here. If you want I can post them too, however.


Are you joking. Notice the dates. Even your modern ones were primarily born 120 - 160 years ago. They were Darwins contemporaries.

Also notice the fact several are surgeons and the like which is NOT science.

Do you want me to spam this board with 100,000+ names of 20th century non YEC's who actually work in scientific research in the applicable disciplines?
 
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RightWingGirl said:
Just After Darwin
Richard Owen (1804–1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
Matthew Maury (1806–1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Louis Agassiz (1807–1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth compromiser, polygenist*)
Henry Rogers (1808–1866) Geology
James Glaisher (1809–1903) Meteorology
Philip H. Gosse (1810–1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810–1895) Archeologist
James Simpson (1811–1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
James Dana (1813–1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817–1901) Agricultural Chemist
James Joule (1818–1889) Thermodynamics
Thomas Anderson (1819–1874) Chemist
Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900) Astronomy
George Stokes (1819–1903) Fluid Mechanics
John William Dawson (1820–1899) Geology (probably believed in an old-earth*)
Rudolph Virchow (1821–1902) Pathology
Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) (WOH) Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization
Henri Fabre (1823–1915) Entomology of living insects
William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*)
William Huggins (1824–1910) Astral spectrometry
Bernhard Riemann (1826–1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
Joseph Lister (1827–1912) Antiseptic surgery
Balfour Stewart (1828–1887) Ionospheric electricity
James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics
P.G. Tait (1831–1901) Vector analysis
John Bell Pettigrew (1834–1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842–1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases
Sir William Abney (1843–1920) Astronomy
Alexander MacAlister (1844–1919) Anatomy
A.H. Sayce (1845–1933) Archeologist
John Ambrose Fleming (1849–1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
Very few of these count. Notice that I said the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory. The modern synthesis was compiled in the 1930s. It is also notable that it takes some time before a theory is widely accepted. Certainly, by now, we have reached that time. Over 99% of scientists in relevant fields accept evolutionary theory as the best explanation we have.
The Modern Period
Dr Clifford Burdick, Geologist
George Washington Carver (1864–1943) Inventor
L. Merson Davies (1890–1960) Geology; Paleontology
Douglas Dewar (1875–1957) Ornithologist
Howard A. Kelly (1858–1943) Gynecology
Paul Lemoine (1878–1940) Geology
Dr Frank Marsh, Biology
Dr John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer
Edward H. Maunder (1851–1928) Astronomy
William Mitchell Ramsay (1851–1939) Archeologist
William Ramsay (1852–1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation
Charles Stine (1882–1954) Organic Chemist
Dr Arthur Rendle-Short (1885–1955) Surgeon
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
Dr Larry Butler, Biochemist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
Again, the ones who died prior to the 30's or 40's don't count because the modern synthesis didn't exist back then. You basically have a list of about a dozen noteworthy scientists who believed in YEC. Since evolution has thousands of noteworthy scientists on its side, bringing this argument does little other than clarifying for the observer exactly how small the support base for YEC actually is in the scientific community.



I have a list of a few hundered other modern YEC scientists, but they aren't as famous as the ones listed here. If you want I can post them too, however.
There is also a list of scientists out there named Steve who support evolutionary theory. The list of Steves alone outnumbers all the creationist scientists the world can muster. Again, your argument is doing nothing but throwing into sharp relief how little support creationism has in the scientific community.

EDIT: Heh, let's take a look at who you actually supported YEC over the modern synthesis of evolution on that list you gave us. I'll bold the ones that support your position.

From the Just After Darwin era, we have a single person who lived to see the modern synthesis: John Ambrose Fleming, an electronics specialist. I can hardly think of a scientific field with less to do with biological evolution. In fact, it doesn't have anything to do with any field that shows the earth to be older than 6,000 years. I wonder if he even read the modern synthesis.

From the "Modern Period" era, we have the following:

George Washington Carver (1864–1943) Inventor - I don't really think inventing has a whole lot to do with biological evolution. Besides, he died in the early 40s. He was probably out of the science community when the modern synthesis came out. Either way, his support is meaningless.
L. Merson Davies (1890–1960) Geology; Paleontology - This one counts, sure.
Douglas Dewar (1875–1957) Ornithologist - This one, too.
Howard A. Kelly (1858–1943) Gynecology - You're kidding, right? A gynecologist? I don't care how noteworthy he is in his field. The oldest specimen he's going to uncover is nine months old.
Paul Lemoine (1878–1940) Geology - Almost certainly retired before the modern synthesis was accepted.
Edward H. Maunder (1851–1928) Astronomy - Sorry, died too early.
William Mitchell Ramsay (1851–1939) Archeologist - Again, was probably retired before the modern synthesis was developed.
William Ramsay (1852–1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation - Dead twenty years too early.
Charles Stine (1882–1954) Organic Chemist - Sure, this one works.
Dr Arthur Rendle-Short (1885–1955) Surgeon - Surgery isn't really a relevant field to evolutionary biology. An immunologist might work.
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon - Another surgeon. See above.Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997) - In other words, an arthritis physician. That's on par with a surgeon, at best.

I left out the ones lacking dates or disciplines for context. Counting up the total, you have three noteworthy scientists with relevant knowledge supporting your position, out of the thousands of noteworthy scientists that have existed. I wouldn't call that a promising support base.
 
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RightWingGirl said:
I know of no examples of Macro-evolution, where new information is actually added in the DNA, to exist. Do you?

Yes you do or you ave conveniently decided to forget them since they get posted upon here quite regularly.

The information argument is a lie.

Define information mathematically for me. Since to make the statement about greater or less information means you have a numerical measure.
 
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RightWingGirl said:
I know of no examples of Macro-evolution, where new information is actually added in the DNA, to exist. Do you?
Could you please define "information" in biological terms, and why you feel that its addition is necessary for macroevolution (which, in the scientific community, simply means speciation)? Where did you get your definition of macroevolution? It certainly wasn't from biologists.
 
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Dannager said:
Could you please define "information" in biological terms, and why you feel that its addition is necessary for macroevolution (which, in the scientific community, simply means speciation)? Where did you get your definition of macroevolution? It certainly wasn't from biologists.

A concise definition can be found here
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v10/i2/information.asp

And as for how information content is measured, here.
 
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RightWingGirl said:
A concise definition can be found here
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v10/i2/information.asp

And as for how information content is measured, here.


The first link is irrelevant to this discussion and also hypothesises things that are not standard science.

The second one screws up biochemistry to make a point. Enzymes do not work this way, so his information measure is wrong. Notice he avoids the general information topic with respect to DNA and mutation and polyploidy and frame shifts etc etc.

Did you read them?
 
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RightWingGirl said:
I know of no examples of Macro-evolution, where new information is actually added in the DNA, to exist. Do you?

you are conflating things.
macroevolution is not defined as new information added to the DNA.

define macroevolution as the change in higher taxonomic orders, above genera/genus
that matches microevolution as a change at the species level.

there is a very obvious addition of information in the HERV-W which is responsible for the adhesion of mother and child cells in the placenta see:
HERV-W review paper http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/1793/343/1/ERV+2.pdf

the nice classical example of the "addition of information" is the nylon bug's frameshift mutations.

remember however that this "addition of no new information" is an AiG redherring and is not standard molecular biology. even though they can not seem to define information at the dna or biological levels, these two examples so counter the idea as to make it unreasonable and untenatible.
 
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RightWingGirl said:
I know of no examples of Macro-evolution, where new information is actually added in the DNA, to exist. Do you?

You notice how evasive the TE's get when you ask them for that kind of info? They all go into evasive action except one that posts a link to a page that can barely be read. Lol, so typical.:p
 
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RightWingGirl said:
I know of no examples of Macro-evolution, where new information is actually added in the DNA, to exist. Do you?

Macro-evolution is not defined by quantity of information. It is scientifically defined as the emergence of a new species. Whether that new species has the same amount of "information" or more or less "information" than its ancestor is irrelevant.

In many cases, particularly the evolution of parasites, the daughter species is much simpler than its ancestor, with fewer organs and sensory apparatus, and, presumably, less "information".


If you wish to use the creationist definition, that macro-evolution = more "information", the first thing you need to do is define "information". What does genetic information consist of? In what units is genetic information measured? How do you tell when more information has been added?


When you have answered these questions, it is likely that we can find examples of new information which was actually added in the DNA.

Would a point insertion be adding information? If so, the nylon bug is macro-evolution by the creationist definition as well as by the scientific definition.
 
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Lion of God said:
You notice how evasive the TE's get when you ask them for that kind of info? They all go into evasive action except one that posts a link to a page that can barely be read. Lol, so typical.:p

i believe you are talking about my posting of:

there is a very obvious addition of information in the HERV-W which is responsible for the adhesion of mother and child cells in the placenta see:
HERV-W review paper http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream...43/1/ERV+2.pdf

and are referring to the small print of the pdf file, not to someone's inability to understand the paper.

the solution to the small print, is to use your pdf reader's magnify function to enlarge the typeface. i'm sorry not to include instructions on reading pdf files with the link, however i thought it unnecessary. i can blow the type face up to about 1/4 of an inch in acroread, i assume your pdf reader operates much the same way.

however, wouldn't it be better* to critize the content of the paper, rather than it's typeface size?

*more productive, more honest, more useful, more considerate, more thoughtful etc.
 
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Lion of God said:
You notice how evasive the TE's get when you ask them for that kind of info? They all go into evasive action except one that posts a link to a page that can barely be read. Lol, so typical.:p
You'll have to forgive us for waiting for clarification before answering a fallacious question. She conflated information change with macroevolution, which is not correct.
 
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rmwilliamsll said:
and are referring to the small print of the pdf file, not to someone's inability to understand the paper.

Actually I was referring to the type of language the article uses. It would have been more more productive, more honest, more useful, more considerate, more thoughtful etc if you had simply answered the question in terminology that could be understood by layman.

From the Summary I see nothing that answers the original question:

This project represents our most recent effort to clone the syncytin gene into an eGFP expression vector for
use in studies directed at defining the role and functions of cytoskeletal elements in normal endogenous
retroviral mediated cellular fusion. This critical differentiation-associated process is very poorly understood
and yet has a number of potential clinical implications. By being able to examine the process in vitro and in
real time using labeled syncytin as described above, we hope to open additional new avenues for future
research in the field of placentology and trophoblast cell biology.

Perhaps you could decipher this for the literacy challenged such as myself.
 
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Lion of God said:
Actually I was referring to the type of language the article uses. It would have been more more productive, more honest, more useful, more considerate, more thoughtful etc if you had simply answered the question in terminology that could be understood by layman.


That's the problem. 99.99% of the YEC's are laypeople and science isn't always written in an accessible form for them. It can't always be dumbed down.
 
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RightWingGirl said:

IMNSHO a twelve page document is not a "concise definition". If a concise definition is buried somewhere in the document, why not cut and paste it?

Furthermore, the document is using Werner Gitt's so-called information theory, which basically says that without an intelligent mind to originate and receive the information, information does not exist. By this theory there is no such thing as genetic information transmissible by inheritance from a gamete to a zygote, since neither the gamete nor the zygote has the capacity to understand what the DNA is "saying". Therefore, there is no message.

And as for how information content is measured, here.

The only math referred to something to do with enzymes and substrates. What does this have to do with measuring genetic information?

There are also some glaring errors.

e.g.

However, just think: if you buy two copies of the newspaper, do you buy twice as much information? Of course not. Duplication of anything does not constitute an increase of information.​

Don Batten may be right about newspapers, but he is dead wrong about duplications in DNA. Plants sometimes duplicate their whole genome--a phenomenon known as polyploidy. The polyploid descendants of plant species are not the same species as their ancestor. Much of the duplicated DNA is just as active as the orignal DNA. When the information for flower formation is doubled, the result is often a doubled flower--something horticulturalists prize, as they are more striking than a simple, single flower.

Random mutations to change the duplicated gene would not add information unless the mutated sequence coded for some new, useful protein (no one has demonstrated such a thing happening; there have only been imaginative scenarios proposed)​

Out of date. New proteins do occur.

http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/05_03/junk.shtml

In fact, genetic engineers are even creating new proteins not seen in nature which function in living organisms.

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/sample.cgi/achre4/2006/39/i01/abs/ar050158u.html

To illustrate: if “superman” were the duplicated “gene”, and mutations in the letters changed it to “sxyxvawtu ”, you have clearly lost information, although you have a new sequence.​

Clearly Batten does not understand the difference between a human language in which most letter sequences are meaningless, and the DNA/RNA code in which all possible triplets or codons are significant.

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/code.html

How can you get a meaningless DNA "word" when every possible DNA sequence is meaningful?
 
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KerrMetric said:
That's the problem. 99.99% of the YEC's are laypeople and science isn't always written in an accessible form for them. It can't always be dumbed down.

Don't take this personally Kerr but it has been my observation that when a poster cannot "dumb it down" it is normally because they don't understand the subject matter enough themselves, to put it into different terms.
 
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Lion of God said:
Don't take this personally Kerr but it has been my observation that when a poster cannot "dumb it down" it is normally because they don't understand the subject matter enough themselves, to put it into different terms.

Funny, my experience is that dealing with YEC's is that it doesn't matter - they just don't get it.
 
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Lion of God said:
Don't take this personally Kerr but it has been my observation that when a poster cannot "dumb it down" it is normally because they don't understand the subject matter enough themselves, to put it into different terms.

Can you provide us a dumbed down defintion of information that we can use to measure increases in this information as it is referred to by creationists?

Can you provide us a dumbed down defintion of 'kind' that we can use to tell if one animal is the same kind as another?

We'll be waiting.
 
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