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First off, please do not let this question offend anyone. I'm not meaning to be disrespectful in anyway, I'm just curious. But I am sorry if this upsets ANYONE.

Why do Catholics pray to Mary when it says in the 10 commandments that you should not have any god's/idols before the Lord?

Also, what makes Mary so special? Yes the lord CHOSE her to give birth to Jesus Christ, but does that make her any better then the other chosen ones? Noah, Moses, etc?

I'm just curious. :confused:
 

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Heya. You wouldn't believe how many people ask this question. :) It's cool though.

Firstly we do not worship Mary, at all. No matter what any non-Catholic might tell you. We worship only God eg. the 3 Persons that make Him.

We only revere and honour Mary, as we do the other Saints. We do this because the Church has declared that by their good works they have entered Heaven definately. And so they are worthy to be honoured and respected.

We pray to Saints, in particular Mary, because we believe that after death a person is technically still alive, and so the Saints that have entered Heaven are still alive. Therefore we pray to the Saints (who are still alive and can hear us) to pray to Jesus Christ who then, being the only mediator to the Father, passes the prayer on to Him.

Does that make sense. Let me know if it doesnt. :)
 
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In the Catholic doctrine, it states that they dont pray to Mary, they pray WITH Mary as well as the Saints to pray to Jesus Christ for the well-being of people, nations, struggles, etc.

more of a traditional stance, but makes perfect sense if looked in that aspect. therefore catholicism is still a monotheistic belief system (the belief and worship of God -[in Trinity fashion, 3 in one] -).

God bless you.
 
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First off, please do not let this question offend anyone. I'm not meaning to be disrespectful in anyway, I'm just curious. But I am sorry if this upsets ANYONE.

Why do Catholics pray to Mary when it says in the 10 commandments that you should not have any god's/idols before the Lord?

Why do Protestants assume that Catholics believe Mary is God?

Also, what makes Mary so special? Yes the lord CHOSE her to give birth to Jesus Christ, but does that make her any better then the other chosen ones? Noah, Moses, etc?

Jesus spoke of least and greatest. He himself did not regard everyone's contribution to the work of his Father as being of equal worth.

Neither does Scripture which states that Mary stands out amongst all women in the ares of blessedness.The Angel Garbiel specifically states that she is special here.
Noah gave us the Ark and Moses gave us the Torah. Mary gave us Jesus. I think that that would make her pretty darn special myself.

What about yourself? Do you value the Torah or the Ark over Jesus?

I'm just curious. :confused:
Me too. Why do so many Protestants not think that Mary is pretty darn special? It is in the Bible.
 
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First off, please do not let this question offend anyone. I'm not meaning to be disrespectful in anyway, I'm just curious. But I am sorry if this upsets ANYONE.

Why do Catholics pray to Mary when it says in the 10 commandments that you should not have any god's/idols before the Lord?

Also, what makes Mary so special? Yes the lord CHOSE her to give birth to Jesus Christ, but does that make her any better then the other chosen ones? Noah, Moses, etc?

I'm just curious. :confused:
Hi Lirpa! It's good to see another newbie like me on here and no offense taken at all. I used to ask the same sort of questions back in my Baptist days and thankfully there were faithful folks who patiently answered my questions.

Q1 Response: Catholics do not consider Mary to be Divine and we do not worship her.

Q2 Response: Our Bible makes it very clear that Mary is special. First, the angel Gabriel informs us that she found favor with God and is blessed among women. Next her cousin Elizabeth rightly said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb". Catholics just recognize the truth of scripture which says that all generations shall call her blessed.

I hope that helps a bit. If not, just let us know my friend.

ETA: Sorry about the newbie comment. Must have been scanning down the page to quickly! Apologies.
 
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First off, please do not let this question offend anyone. I'm not meaning to be disrespectful in anyway, I'm just curious. But I am sorry if this upsets ANYONE.

Why do Catholics pray to Mary when it says in the 10 commandments that you should not have any god's/idols before the Lord?

Also, what makes Mary so special? Yes the lord CHOSE her to give birth to Jesus Christ, but does that make her any better then the other chosen ones? Noah, Moses, etc?

I'm just curious. :confused:

Once someone asked the question:

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=46848249#post46848249
Ok so two different sections of Scripture:

Luke 11:27-28

As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out. She shouted, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."
He replied, "Instead, blessed are those who hear God's word and obey it."

Luke 7:28

I tell you, among those born of women no one is greater than John, but the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."
When I answered it struck me how important these verse are to reinforce Catholic teaching on Mary.

These two verses, often used to question why Mary is important...are actually vital to understanding why she is so very important.

We must reflect on several different parts of Catholic Teaching to see the proper role of Mary as the Catholic Church teaches it.

These verses are vital to understanding that and they reinforce our teaching. They are a caution against excess and an instruction to how and why Mary is important. A real Marian lesson that fits totally in line with Paul VI: Apostolic Exhortation for the Right Ordering and Development of Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary


In this Pope Paul VI said:
When the children of the Church unite their voices with the voice of the unknown woman in the Gospel and glorify the Mother of Jesus by saying to Him: "Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breasts that you sucked" (Lk. 11:27), they will be led to ponder the Divine Master's serious reply: "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!" (Lk. 11:28) While it is true that this reply is in itself lively praise of Mary, as various Fathers of the Church interpreted it and the Second Vatican Council has confirmed, it is also an admonition to us to live our lives in accordance with God's commandments.

It is also an echo of other words of the Savior: "Not every one who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" (Mt. 7:21); and again: "You are my friends if you do what I command you" (Jn. 15:14).​
In both of these Our blessed Lord is saying the same thing. He says, do not think that the claim of closeness to me, the claim of salvation, the claim of greatness is given by anything other than love and obedience to God. By acceptance of the Divine will.

When we see that we also see that Mary exceeds all others. First, is there something special about her as our Lord's mother? Absolutely. Because she accepted the will of God and with it that motherhood. Her motherhood was not accidental. It was not by her motherhood that she followed the will of the Lord...but by her total donation of self to the will of God that she was chosen from all people of all times to be the Mother of our Lord.

So Christ is showing that in the love and obedience to Him and The Father...that is where great gifts are given. And one of the greatest is the gift of motherhood to Mary.

The second verse mirrors the first. If Mary gave her will to God and stayed by Christ to the end and beyond...would not her place in the kingdom be great? The verses give the resounding cry...look not to the things of this world. Look to Me. Look to the Light of the world.

And Mary is an example of how to do this.

The verses can not be taken in the total literal way or else Christ is saying that John is even greater than our Lord...because Christ was born of woman. The Lord is using strong poetic language to get a point across. The meaning of His words are clear. It is not their (Mary and John) relationship to me in the worlds eyes that brings greatness...but their lives...their love of Me. And He calls us to love Him in that same way.

This brings about a necessary mention of Mary's role in Catholic life, and I think at the core of your question Lirpa. Her role is to bring us closer to Christ.

I have always thought of the Rosary as Mary taking us by the hand and saying: "Come with me, let me show you the life of my Son. See Him and love Him as I do."

When I was young I saw my relationship with Mary in this light. We often see a mother with a baby and we are young. The baby is offered to us to hold, to know....to love. But we are young...like children and afraid. We do not know how to hold the child. The mother often, as Mary does, says: "Here, let me show you how to hold Him."

As I grew up and life gets complex. I have a personal relationship with Christ. And as the world throws us it's curve balls and trials...we falter. Sometimes, even with a wonderful personal relationship with Our blessed Lord...we lose our way. He seems so great and we so small. And in trial and darkness...we need help. He comes to help us...but so does Mary. Because she wants us to love Him so deeply.

When there is trial I think of the young girl of Nazareth. How an angel came and gave her such news. How she gave her total will to the plan of the Lord. And the Joy at the Birth of Christ. The joy of watching Him grow in wisdom as He aged. And then I think of the mother at the foot of the cross. The woman given news by an angel is watching her Son die.

If anyone in all of human history could have cursed God and said: "I was lied to...is this Your promise?" It was her at that moment and the moment later when she held Her Son who gave His life for the world. The first to hold Him to her heart in this world and also the last. A mother and child. One saved and the savior. And at that moment she did not abandon Him as her child or her Savior. Can I, in my life...do any less with that example? With that guidance?

How to hold the Lord at Christmas is easy.
The wonderful Child foretold.

How to hold Him at Easter is easy.
Savior and Victor over death.

But to hold Him on Good Friday is hard.
The seemingly dead promise, but in reality the victory of God Himself over Sin and Death. But the eyes to see that in our own daily suffering are dim. Does Easter ever seem as distant as on Good Friday. Surely it is closer in the Joy of Christmas. It would have been so easy for Mary to have left the cross as a broken promise.


But she did not. We know she stayed strong and stayed with the Apostles, just as she stood with Him to the foot of the Cross. From His birth, though His ministry, To the Cross, to Pentecost and beyond. And that is the example we follow...devotion to our Blessed Lord until the end and beyond.

That is how I view the verses as well as how they reinforce the proper Catholic relationship with Mary and why she is so important to us. Yes, we have the Lord. And He helps us know Him better. But we also have Mary and the Saints to show us how to grow and build that relationship with Him. Because our blessed Lord knows...we often need more help than is necessary because we are human and capable of such love...but also such a fall. So He shares with us His own mother and her example. The verses are not a condemnation of her but an exultation of how she lives with Him in her heart. A life that Scripture shows to the foot of the Cross and beyond.
 
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welcome to OBOB, feel free to ask all the questions you want. I think the other posters have answered it well, all the Saints in heaven are connected to the saints on earth, we are all part of the Body of Christ, Saint Paul describes it as "we are all one body but many parts" in his letter to the Corinthians, so even though they are in heaven we are still connected to them throught the Holy Spirit.
We feel a special connection with Mary, but we pray to other saints as well, we see that there is a differance between praying to Saints and the worship that we only give to God, I do not know anyone who just prays to Saints, everyone prays to God, the Mass, the central act of worship for Catholics is devoted to Jesus and His sacrifice and His love for us
 
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Thank you all so much. Now I understand.
But I really happy that you guys gave me a clear anwser without yelling at me. Haha. Right now I'm not sure where I belong. I've been church hopping, and trying to understand each and every church... Most of my family is Catholic so I have much respect for the Catholic church, I was just left with unanwsered questions. But thank you all so much!
 
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Thank you all so much. Now I understand.
But I really happy that you guys gave me a clear anwser without yelling at me. Haha. Right now I'm not sure where I belong. I've been church hopping, and trying to understand each and every church... Most of my family is Catholic so I have much respect for the Catholic church, I was just left with unanwsered questions. But thank you all so much!

Ask anything you want. We are usually nice :)
 
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Peace be with you!

Everything happens for a reason in God's glory. Remember that. You are led here to ask and to learn for a reason. Pray on it and ask the Saints that are in God's glory to pray for you also. We will here too.

The fullness of the church cannot be replaced by any other faith out there. Remember, your church and your community is there to raise you up in Hos glory, not the entertain you or tear you down. Through the study of the church, scriptures and His way, you can have this too.

A lot of great information above and still out there for your taking if you wish.
 
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I think in order to explain this further, perhaps its best to first define the term "pray". To Pray theologically means, to ask, or beckon.

In other words, praying isn't necessarily worship.

When we pray to Mary, we are asking, for her intercession, i.e. for her to pray for us.

We ask others to pray for us, so why not Mary, who is the mother of God, who stands in His presence ?

We also honor Mary, because Jesus honors her, and so we imitate Him.

In Christ
Jim
 
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