KerrMetric
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Dannager said:I giggled.
I giggle a lot on here.
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Dannager said:I giggled.
oldwiseguy said:Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the polar regions would be tropical. I meant that most of the earth, where people live, would have generally warmer and more pleasant weather. I guess I was addressing extremes of weather caused by orbit and angle.
I'm saying that this isn't the original way earth was oriented in its orbit. A powerful force struck the earth, knocking it out of a perfect orbit, and off it's axis, and caused the destruction to earth that is evident in the geologic record, and in siesmic events still happening.
gluadys said:What makes a circular orbit "perfect" and an elliptical orbit less than perfect? What makes a perpendicular axis "perfect" and a tilted axis less than perfect?
Finally, if God could restore life to a ruined world, why coulld he not restore the original "perfect" orbit and axis while he was at it?
KerrMetric said:He's channelling Aristotle. This is a very Pythagorean and subsequent Greek schools way of thinking.
Actually God cannot have done this by observation.
gluadys said:But why is a Christian exponent of the gap thesis appealing to quintessential Greek thinking when none of this is scriptural? What is the basis of importing this particular extra-biblical philosophy?
Of course, inconsistency, scientific and/or logical is the hallmark of most creationist thinking of whatever school.
KerrMetric said:I think it is truly an example of a mutation that did lead to a decrease of information.
random_guy said:I'm sorry, but this was the funniest thing I've read in a long time. So the rebellion caused caused F=ma? That's what you're saying. The ellipse of the Earth's orbit is due to how forces work. It has nothing to being "knocked" off course by some mysterious force.
Somewhere Kepler is spinning in his grave (non-circular orbit I presume).
random_guy said:Again, let's start with basic physics. The ellipseness of the Earth's orbit has very little effect on weather seasons. Quick thought example, when it's summer in the Northern hemisphere, what season is it in the Southern? If you guess winter, how is that possible if the Earth is closer to the sun in the summer (as you elluded to)?
Next, in this perfect world, in order for the Earth to have a circular orbit, the two foci that the Earth travels around must be one and the same. Right now, the Sun is one, the other is empty space. Please tell me pre-Fall what the 1 focus was that the Earth travelled around?
This is rapidly falling to dad level theorization.
gluadys said:What makes a circular orbit "perfect" and an elliptical orbit less than perfect? What makes a perpendicular axis "perfect" and a tilted axis less than perfect?
What's wrong with having differing climatological zones? What is wrong with having seasons?
Finally, if God could restore life to a ruined world, why coulld he not restore the original "perfect" orbit and axis while he was at it?
oldwiseguy said:So are you saying that God created the earth is its present orbit and tilt?
KerrMetric said:Actually the orbit and tilt vary over time - actually for the same reason it cannot have ever been perfectly circular.
oldwiseguy said:Orbit isn't too important. Tell me about tilt variance over time. Is it substantial? Does that suggest another imperfection, like a wobble? I'll grant that orbit may not have been perfectly circular, too many pulls on it from many directions. But do you think it was created perfect. And is it as perfect as it can be now?
oldwiseguy said:He chose not to.
One thing we are asked to do in these forums is to give scriptural evidence when needed. However I assume that everyone here is well read biblically and immediately recounts scriptures that support not only their position but others as well. Am I assuming too much?
You can only tear so many pages out of the bible, and all you'll have left is the cover.
That's really cool. Could you explain something to me? I've been searching for this, but haven't been able to find information about it. I know the first focus of a 2 body system is the center of mass of the system. In the case of the Earth and Sun, the Sun pretty much is the center of mass.
What is the physical meaning of the second focus (the empty space)? I know you can calculate it by observing the Earth's position relative to the Sun, but exactly what does it mean physically? Or does it have no meaning, and it just falls out from the math?
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the polar regions would be tropical. I meant that most of the earth, where people live, would have generally warmer and more pleasant weather. I guess I was addressing extremes of weather caused by orbit and angle.
I'm saying that this isn't the original way earth was oriented in its orbit. A powerful force struck the earth, knocking it out of a perfect orbit, and off it's axis, and caused the destruction to earth that is evident in the geologic record, and in siesmic events still happening.
random_guy said:That is, unless God created the Earth to have perfect uniform density as a function of radius, and no other planets/stars/objects with mass existed during the perfectly circular orbit stage.