Pro life = pro gun

[CabVet]

To me the fact that every single "pro life" person that I know (or see on TV) is against regulating guns (that kill thousands every year) is absolute proof that the entire "pro life" movement has nothing to do with life.

It is undeniable that people kill people, guns don't kill people. It is also undeniable that guns make it a lot easier for people to kill people. It is also undeniable (by looking at places like Australia) that more gun regulations bring down the number of gun deaths without stopping any good citizen from getting a gun.

So next time a "pro life" person talks to me, if that person also happens to be "pro guns" to everyone (including those that shouldn't be carrying them) I will dismiss every single one of their arguments because they are really not "pro life", but rather, "pro whatever their favorite politician says".

 

[Vylo]

Being pro-life and pro-gun is not a contradiction. In most cases, if people can't use guns to kill people, they will simply find another way. It will stop most mass shootings, but that is about it.

 

[Armoured]

I'm pro-life, and pro-gun. I'm also Australian, and strongly pro-sensible firearm regulation.

So make of that what you will.

 

[The Antigrrrl]

I'm pro choice and pro gun. Cause if someone is breaking into my house when I am at home with my kids, I respect their right to choose to be shot in the head. Who am I to judge a suicidal person?

 

[super animator]

Your act like that being pro-gun must mean pro-killing.

 

[ecco]

Being pro-life and pro-gun is not a contradiction. In most cases, if people can't use guns to kill people, they will simply find another way. It will stop most mass shootings, but that is about it.

A lot more people die daily in one on one killings than in "mass shootings".
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...o-weekend-shooting-totals-20150921-story.html

Chicago Tribune staff
Eight people were killed and at least 45 people were wounded in shootings between Friday evening and early Monday, making it the second most violent weekend in Chicago this year.

The only weekend that was worse was July 3-6, when 57 people were shot, seven fatally, according to an analysis of Chicago Tribune data on shootings and homicides.

When compared with non-holiday weekends, this past weekend was the worst with 53 people shot. The next highest weekends were Aug. 8-10 with 48, May 15-18 with 46, and Aug. 21-24 with 43.

Forty or more people were shot every weekend from July 24 to 27 to Aug. 28-31.
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Do you really believe all these shooters would have been equally successful using knives or clubs?

 

[CabVet]

Being pro-life and pro-gun is not a contradiction. In most cases, if people can't use guns to kill people, they will simply find another way. It will stop most mass shootings, but that is about it.

A lot harder to kill people in other ways. "Pro life" to me means someone who is pro... life. Period. And more gun regulations save lives, this is a simple fact.

 

[CabVet]

Your act like that being pro-gun must mean pro-killing.

No, I act like being pro-gun means being pro-death (as in the opposite of pro life). Guns in the hands of bad people makes it a whole lot easier for them to kill. Making it harder for guns to get to the hands of those people is not impossible. The only thing stopping this from happening is the "pro life" crowd.

 

[seashale76]

I'm pro-gun (even though I think a reasonable effort should be made to keep them from criminals and the mentally ill). I also consider myself pro-life (even though I think abortion should be a necessary evil we keep legal because when it's illegal things are much worse- which I suppose technically makes me pro-choice). I'm not for killing people.

 

[CabVet]

I'm pro choice and pro gun. Cause if someone is breaking into my house when I am at home with my kids, I respect their right to choose to be shot in the head. Who am I to judge a suicidal person?

At least you are consistent.

 

[CabVet]

I'm pro-gun (even though I think they should a reasonable effort should be made to keep them from criminals and the mentally ill). I also consider myself pro-life (even though I think abortion should be a necessary evil we keep legal because when it's illegal things are much worse- which I suppose technically makes me pro-choice). I'm not for killing people.

You, mam, are one in a million. I think it should be as hard to get and use a gun as it is to get and drive a car. Most "pro life" people don't agree with me.

P.S.: I have a shotgun, a gun dog and hunt pheasant.

EDIT: I read your post more carefully and will move you back to the "pro-choice" category, haha! So only one in this thread that is pro-life and pro-gun regulations (which in my dictionary means consistently pro-life).

 

[CabVet]

I'm pro-life, and pro-gun. I'm also Australian, and strongly pro-sensible firearm regulation.

So make of that what you will.

That makes it one in this thread (not American)! Let's see how many more we get.

 

[Vylo]

A lot harder to kill people in other ways. "Pro life" to me means someone who is pro... life. Period. And more gun regulations save lives, this is a simple fact.

Can you actively demonstrate that? Australia, for example, banned most guns. While massacres dropped off, the murder rate was virtually untouched. It didn't appear to save a significant amount of lifes.

Also by this logic you have to be pro-prohibition, since alcohol takes many more lives than guns.

 

[CabVet]

Can you actively demonstrate that?

Sure, I will use your words:

Australia, for example, banned most guns... massacres dropped off

In other words, lives were saved in Australia. Period.

Also this:

Every country in the list above has more regulations for gun ownership than the US.

 

[CabVet]

Also by this logic you have to be pro-prohibition, since alcohol takes many more lives than guns.

Not by my logic. By yours. Your logic is that every life has to be saved (pro-life). Or does that only apply to fetuses?

 

[ecco]

ecco post #6 to Vylo:

Do you really believe all these shooters would have been equally successful using knives or clubs?

Unanswered

Also by this logic you have to be pro-prohibition, since alcohol takes many more lives than guns.

Would you care to compare the murder rate from the time during prohibition to times when alcohol was legal for crimes related to booze?
Would you care to compare the number of deaths due to alcohol poisoning during prohibition to times when alcohol was legal?

There are many reasons to have drinks. There is one reason to have a gun - shoot something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

In 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries and 11,208 deaths by homicide 21,175 by suicide with a firearm, 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5]for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention)​

http://www.cdc.gov/media/dpk/2015/dpk-vs-alcohol-poisoning.html

There are more than 2,200 alcohol poisoning deaths in the U.S. each year – an average of 6 alcohol poisoning deaths every day.


Above I stated "There is one reason to have a gun - shoot something." That was incorrect. The real reason to have a gun is to have "A well regulated Militia".​

 

[Vylo]

Sure, I will use your words:



In other words, lives were saved in Australia. Period.

Also this:

Every country in the list above has more regulations for gun ownership than the US.

Meaningless chart. You have to compare the change in murder rates between countries which did and didn't change their gun laws and take into account outside factors.

Of course a country with more guns with have more gun murder, but that' doesn't mean a country with more guns will have more or less murders. Premeditated murder will not be deterred by a lack of firearms.

Do you really believe all these shooters would have been equally successful using knives or clubs?

Yes. People murder each other all the time without guns in countries where they are difficult to obtain, case in point:

http://www.mining.com/fifty-killed-in-a-knife-attack-at-a-chinese-colliery/

Would you care to compare the murder rate from the time during prohibition to times when alcohol was legal for crimes related to booze?
Would you care to compare the number of deaths due to alcohol poisoning during prohibition to times when alcohol was legal?

Would you like to compare the number of people killed by guns to the number slaughtered defenselessly against socialist regimes? How about against nations that were unable to deter invasion?

 

[CabVet]

Meaningless chart. You have to compare the change in murder rates between countries which did and didn't change their gun laws and take into account outside factors.

Not meaningless, the chart compares between countries that have strict gun regulations and those that don't. You can't get any more meaningful than that.

Of course a country with more guns with have more gun murder, but that' doesn't mean a country with more guns will have more or less murders. Premeditated murder will not be deterred by a lack of firearms.

And guess what is the reason for the US to have more guns?

Yes. People murder each other all the time without guns in countries where they are difficult to obtain, case in point:

http://www.mining.com/fifty-killed-in-a-knife-attack-at-a-chinese-colliery/

I can post 100 examples of mass murders using guns in the US alone, and I assure you that those scrawny or insane people wouldn't be able to do it if they had no guns. And I bet you can't post more than a handful of mass murders using knives. As I said in my opening post, guns make it a lot easier to kill people than anything else. We require all kinds of things for people to buy and drive cars, why not do the same for weapons?

Would you like to compare the number of people killed by guns to the number slaughtered defenselessly against socialist regimes? How about against nations that were unable to deter invasion?

Sure, let's do that if you are in favor of those regimes. I don't care if elephant stampedes kill more (or less) than guns. What I care about is the hypocrisy of someone saying that they are "pro life" but at the same time being in favor of allowing anybody (including the insane) to walk into a store and buy a deadly weapon with minimal regulation. Could you answer a simple question honestly? Do you think that making guns as hard to obtain and operate as cars would decrease the number of guns sold in the US?

 

[OGM]

The formula could be written:

PG + PD = PL
Pro-Gun + Pro-Death Penalty=Pro-Life

 

[sahjimira]

I know there r plenty of people that shouldn't have guns. I live alone in the country and have guns. I don't think the police could make it here fast enough if I'm getting killed or any place else for that matter... If the good man of the house new what time the thief was coming he wouldn't suffer his house to b broken into...I k know Jesus didn't say shoot the guy but as in my situation it's nice to know I have back up. If I'm going to b a statistic
id rather b a live one. It's something I hope I'll never b faced with. I don't relish the thought of taking a life