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"Pro-Choice" or "Pro-Life"

Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by NDNgirl4ever, Aug 4, 2009.

Which one applies to you?

  1. Pro-choice

  2. Pro-life-with exceptions for things like rape,health,ect.

  3. Pro-life-no exceptions

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  1. Phinehas2

    Phinehas2 Guest

    To EnemyPartyII,
    Are you sure? My apologies please repeat them if that’s the case.


    For someone who doesn’t even know the dictionary definition of human as human being, I hardly think you are in a position to make that claim.


    But if its me and I am a person then it is a person. Your point contradicts itself. Its not a case of potential for the foetus to develop, the potential is it won’t develop and abortion is one of the dangers. Naturally the person develops from zygote to foetus, to baby to child to adult. That is develops sentience at one stage and puberty at another is no reason for some to suggest one criteria determines how viable a person is.


    You see the problem is if it wasn’t me who would have been aborted who was it. Your view is merely based on your arbitrary criteria of sentience, but no even those who hold your view can agree when that happens. So regardless of the pro-life position which has no doubt about when a life and person begins, the pro-choice abortion position cant even agree when the person begins.



    so what was added?


    literally millions of things had to be added to the foetus that became you for it to become "you". Not to mention all the water and nutrients, your intelect, experience, personality, and sense of self awareness all had to be added, since none of these things were present in the foetus in the womb. [/quote] Sorry but the water and nutrients have to be added to all life, my intellect wasn’t added, how was it added? Who added it? Do you understand the distinction between ‘add’ and ‘develop’

    Ok so even on your basis you were partly wrong.




    Sorry but you said
    is said why terminate the life of human beings by abortion and you replied
    As you see from the dictionary definition a human is a member of the species homo sapiens: a human being, so your claim it isn’t, is evidently wrong according to the dictionary!!


    Pro-life means no abortion by choice.


    So how does the pro-choice abortion lobby know they aren’t licensing the killing of people if they can’t decide when they become people?


    Because its not arbitrary. Do you understand what arbitrary means? Its having only relative application or relevance; not absolute. Unless you can tell me how life naturally begins apart from conception of sperm and egg, it is not arbitrary.


    On the contrary, as to the issue, if you are suggesting life does naturally begin other that the conception of sperm and egg and gestation then you don’t have scientific support or Biblical support. I cant see why one would put their trust in bad science than God who was supposed to be a believer in God.


    Besides a well qualified professor or surgeon who amputates a leg instead of an arm because he can’t tell the difference is in my view, if not in his and others views, in error. and I would be leaving such a hospital.
     
  2. Phinehas2

    Phinehas2 Guest

  3. EnemyPartyII

    EnemyPartyII New Member

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    *throws hands up* Can't cope. Out.
     
  4. Phinehas2

    Phinehas2 Guest

    To EnemyPartyII,

    Thanks for the debate.
     
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  5. Phinehas2

    Phinehas2 Guest

    I think pro-choice abortion has been exposed as contraditctory and fatally flawed.
    We can see life starts at conception and gestation, its observable. The life develops from zygote stage to foetus, born baby, child, adult. Its obviously as person all the way, how could it not be, what is conceived develops.
    The pro-choice abortion argument doesnt think the aborted foetus is a person because they have decided in their wisdom that sentience is a criteria to distinguish between a development of life that is viable and one that isnt, though they cant agree when it is.
    Therefore those that see viability at 10 weeks must see abortions up to 24 weeks as terminating the life of a person.
     
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  6. lux et lex

    lux et lex light and law

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    No, I think it's just been exposed that it's impossible to have an intelligent debate with you.
     
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  7. Phinehas2

    Phinehas2 Guest

    Lux et lex,
    Of course not, you would need an intelligent argument to be able to match mine to do so. That has been my whole point. If you dont agree you might like to address my post #473
     
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    JT912 Newbie

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    What nonsense is this I'm hearing about pro-choice? Abortion is the fruit of sexual immorality in our American culture. It is the serious circumstance that occurs from sex outside of marriage. Over 50 Million babies have been aborted since Roe V Wade and scripture is very clear on this issue.

    Isaiah 49:1, 5 "The Lord hath called me from the womb, from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name... to be his servant, to bring Jacob again unto him..."
    Galatians 1:15 Paul said he was "called from my mother's womb."
    Psalms 139:13-16 The psalmist wrote of his being "formed in secret," in his mother's womb, referring to himself in such a state, "yet imperfect (incomplete)," as "I" – that is, a person (Psalm 139:13-16).
    Any person claiming to be a "Christ like" must understand that he/she has transferred over from darkness to light into the Kingdom of God-Col 1:13
    he/she must recognize that the Word of God is flawless and God inspired 2 Tim 3:16, Thirdly he/she must recognize that he/she is now operating in a Kingdom and not a democracy, he/she serves one King, Jesus Christ and His decrees are what matters He runs the show and not us. We must be willing to give up our individualistic and humanistic mentalities if he/she truly wants to grow in the truth.
     
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  9. lux et lex

    lux et lex light and law

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    Alright, then why if the fetus/embryo/zygote is a person, do we not endow it with legal rights? That's part of personhood, isn't it?

    It's not a person...think of this mess for example if it was...

    The father of a fetus that is, say, 4 months in gestation, dies with a will that leaves "property to all my children in equal shares". Does the fetus take a share of the property? If it's a person, it would because it's considered an child of the father. Let's take it one step further. One month later the property owning fetus is miscarried. Where does that property go? Perhaps you'll say to the fetus's mother because she would be an heir because the fetus would obviously die intestate (without a will). Okay, that's probably true because the mother is an heir. Let's go one further. Let's take a fetus that is 1 month in gestation, so early in the pregnancy the woman is not yet aware she is with child. Father of the fetus dies with the same will as before "property to all my children in equal shares". Property is divided among the known heirs. A few months later the woman finds out she's pregnant with the deceased man's child. Can the fetus, who was a person, but an unknown person, at the time its father died sue for its property rights? If so when? Pre birth or post birth?
     
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    How demonizing.
     
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    What an excellent, intelligent post. What a blessing when the Holy Spirit helps one to write in this manner. God's continued blessings.
     
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    Jaws13 Urban Nomad. Literally.

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