Predestination, All Things are Determined by God, Even the Outcome of a Roll of a Dice

[Goatee]

You sidestepped it to protect something .....

The answer might be neither one is right, eh?

But we all agree that Jesus is God!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

YHWH'S WORD says JESUS IS GOD.
No problem there for any child of GOD.

The whole world rejects this. BIG problem for them.

 

[Goatee]

What I mean is that, if two people read Bible verses, and each person comes to a different conclusion, how can it be known which person is rightly getting understanding from God and who isn't? If both people have contrasting views, they can't both be right.

Exactly!

They may both say that they have been told by God!

 

[Goatee]

YHWH'S WORD says JESUS IS GOD.
No problem there for any child of GOD.

The whole world rejects this. BIG problem for them.

For them yes. We know Jesus is God though

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So, everything you read in the Bible, you know 100% what the right interpretation is for that passage etc as God has told that?

WHO KNOWS what GOD MEANS?

There is no "right interpretation" since GOD SAYS not to interpret HIS WORD.
JUST believe what HE SAYS.

"interpretation" is used by ol nick all the time, every day to keep people enslaved to sin.

GOD'S WORD is used and active every day, all the time, to set people free from sin.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Exactly!

They may both say that they have been told by God!

Does GOD disagree with HIMSELF ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

For them yes. We know Jesus is God though

GOOD !

Same with everything else GOD REVEALS -
everyone immersed in Y'SHUA sharing in HIS LIFE
as HIS WORD says through and through,
agrees with what GOD REVEALS - and TESTS IT by HIS WORD.

IF there is a disagreement, they let it rest and take it to prayer ongoing until GOD REVEALS the answer.

ONE ANSWER.

 

[Goatee]

WHO KNOWS what GOD MEANS?

There is no "right interpretation" since GOD SAYS not to interpret HIS WORD.
JUST believe what HE SAYS.

"interpretation" is used by ol nick all the time, every day to keep people enslaved to sin.

GOD'S WORD is used and active every day, all the time, to set people free from sin.

God, is 'interpreting' His word to you when you read though! Interpreting is understanding too. God is helping you understand. How do you know it is God?

 

[Goatee]

Does GOD disagree with HIMSELF ?

5 people, read same passage. All come out with totally different meanings to those passages. All 5 say God guided them. Which one is right?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

5 people, read same passage. All come out with totally different meanings to those passages. All 5 say God guided them. Which one is right?

GOOD QUESTION !

I asked GOD this same question when I ran into this.
Everybody - catholics, lutherans, protestants, charismatic all said they were right.

You will not accept HIS answer until you ask HIM (honestly, you have to hear the SHEPHERDS ANSWER or you will never accept it or agree).

Since the SHEPHERD JESUS HIMSELF SAYS HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE.....
I recommend you ask the SHEPHERD JESUS.

HE will not lie to you, nor let the wolves get to you, IF YOU TRUST HIM and not men.

HE says HE curses anyone who trusts men though.

EVEN PAUL said do not trust ME(the APOSTLE!) but TEST everything, yes test every message,
and IF IT IS DIFFERENT from GOD'S WORD do not accept it.

NOW HOW COULD JESUS AND PAUL SAY THIS,
unless
GOD HIMSELF IS ABLE to accomplish this ???

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God, is 'interpreting' His word to you when you read though! Interpreting is understanding too. God is helping you understand. How do you know it is God?

It is apparent you and I have a different interpretation of the word interpretation.

Simply then, to understand.

When GOD SAYS TRUST GOD.
When GOD SAYS TRUST JESUS.

Do you trust GOD ? Do you trust JESUS ? OF COURSE YES !

Next step ? Ask GOD and JESUS why men are not trustworthy.

 

[Goatee]

GOOD QUESTION !

I asked GOD this same question when I ran into this.
Everybody - catholics, lutherans, protestants, charismatic all said they were right.

You will not accept HIS answer until you ask HIM (honestly, you have to hear the SHEPHERDS ANSWER or you will never accept it or agree).

Since the SHEPHERD JESUS HIMSELF SAYS HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE.....
I recommend you ask the SHEPHERD JESUS.

HE will not lie to you, nor let the wolves get to you, IF YOU TRUST HIM and not men.

HE says HE curses anyone who trusts men though.

EVEN PAUL said do not trust ME(the APOSTLE!) but TEST everything, yes test every message,
and IF IT IS DIFFERENT from GOD'S WORD do not accept it.

NOW HOW COULD JESUS AND PAUL SAY THIS,
unless
GOD HIMSELF IS ABLE to accomplish this ???

Still, how would you know that what you say is correct? Test and you could be deceived!

Which of the 5 is being directed by God when they all say 100% that God has directed them?

 

[Goatee]

It is apparent you and I have a different interpretation of the word interpretation.

Simply then, to understand.

When GOD SAYS TRUST GOD.
When GOD SAYS TRUST JESUS.

Do you trust GOD ? Do you trust JESUS ? OF COURSE YES !

Next step ? Ask GOD and JESUS why men are not trustworthy.

But, you are a man. Why should i believe or trust you when you say what you say? What makes what you say correct?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But, you are a man. Why should i believe or trust you when you say what you say? What makes what you say correct?

VERY VERY GOOD !

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But, you are a man. Why should i believe or trust you when you say what you say? What makes what you say correct?

REMEMBER, the APOSTLES SAID< do not trust us - if we bring ANY message other than what has already been delivered, DO NOT ACCEPT IT....

 

[Goatee]

VERY VERY GOOD !

Exactly!

You see? You are telling me that you know the truth but you are just a man! How do i know that God is guiding you?

Jesus said beware of false prophets!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So, honestly, simply, all men are liars.

Do not trust men.

Especially liars.

Do not trust any man, even APOSTLES.

 

[Goatee]

REMEMBER, the APOSTLES SAID< do not trust us - if we bring ANY message other than what has already been delivered, DO NOT ACCEPT IT....

The message is in the Gospels. Its how one understands (interprets) those messages that is important!

 

[redblue22]

Through use of bible, reason, tradition, and experience, one can come to high percentage. 100% is not required. If belief A is 90% and not-A is 10%, I'm quite happy to go with belief A.

 

[Goatee]

So, honestly, simply, all men are liars.

Do not trust men.

Especially liars.

Do not trust any man, even APOSTLES.

Which can mean that every post you have made is completely wrong! (No disrespect to you)