Pope: sometimes divorce morally necessary

[Rhamiel]

not all abuse is physical abuse

there is emotional/psychological abuse, there is even economic abuse (people with spending addictions or drug addictions who use up the family income)

NO ONE should be forced to stay in an abusive environment

we have an obligation to protect ourselves and any children from abuse

as stated before, even if a civil divorce is needed to protect a person from abuse, that does not necessarily mean that the marriage is annulled
if there is no annulment then you are not free to remarry

 

[concretecamper]

I don't think anyone downplays whay the Pope says. In fact, I think it is quite the opposite.

 

[St_Barnabus]

How it should've been formulated by the Holy Father is that sometimes married couples for the sake of their children has to live separately.

This is a false connotation, for every Tribunal in the Church does permit divorce for extenuating circumstance such as abuse. In fact, before an annulment can be filed, they require evidence that the petitioner has obtained a civil divorce. To label the pope's wording as heresy, is in itself a heresy.

 

[Hetta]

It is “morally necessary” to break up bad marriages when the safety of women and children is at stake, Pope Francis said Wednesday, marking a massive shift in tone in the Catholic view about matrimony.

“There are cases in which separation is inevitable,” he told his weekly audience.

“Sometimes, it can even be morally necessary, when it’s about shielding the weaker spouse or young children from the more serious wounds caused by intimidation and violence, humiliation and exploitation.”....
http://nypost.com/2015/06/25/pope-francis-divorce-can-be-morally-necessary/

And also when the safety of men is at stake, right? Because men can be abused too.

 

[Hetta]

hmmm, the pope said it is ok to divorce for the protection of women and children.... why did he choose to leave out men?

many men are stuck in abusive marriages and can not get help because society does not take it seriously when the man is the victim

we talk a lot about equality, but we keep falling back into these Victorian mindsets

I agree with you Rhamiel, but more men should be saying this. Too many men mock those who "can't control their wives" and call them wimps for not standing up to an abusive woman. We all have to stand up for the abused, whether it is a child or an adult, whether they are male or female. All abuse is evil.

 

[Hetta]

The terminology divorce doesn't exist in the church and to change that would be to invent doctrine which should be considered heresy.

I don't know whether divorce is in "the church" or not, but it's definitely in the Bible.

 

[WarriorAngel]

not all abuse is physical abuse

there is emotional/psychological abuse, there is even economic abuse (people with spending addictions or drug addictions who use up the family income)

NO ONE should be forced to stay in an abusive environment

we have an obligation to protect ourselves and any children from abuse

as stated before, even if a civil divorce is needed to protect a person from abuse, that does not necessarily mean that the marriage is annulled
if there is no annulment then you are not free to remarry

I had it all.
I even asked him to seek counseling with me - but he said not for me.

However; we had an oral pre-nup.
I was pregnant...and felt i had to marry him.
I told my dad before i did it that i didnt want to - but he grabbed my arm and kind of pulled me down the aisle.
I had a bad feeling... even tho - even tho - he acted all nice until after the wedding.
Plus i still loved someone else...
I had escaped a physically abusive stalker/ex bf and thats why i ended up with him.

Basically - he was a rebound and a form of escape.
I cared but was not in love with him.
etc etc etc

The emotional abuse is just as bad as the physical and the financial abuse can ruin you for getting out.

 

[Rhamiel]

WA I was not talking about you specifically
God bless you, and I am so sorry for what you had to go through

a lot of people are not getting proper formation, a lot of people feel forced into marriage, these things are grounds for an annulment

 

[WarriorAngel]

WA I was not talking about you specifically
God bless you, and I am so sorry for what you had to go through

a lot of people are not getting proper formation, a lot of people feel forced into marriage, these things are grounds for an annulment

I used to hide this - but now i think - what benefit does that do?

Truth be told - i had just begun my reversion to the Church and i told him i had no interest in fornication - well we went out to a Christmas party - i had a few - came home - didnt want to - but he did anyway.
Was told recently - it was rape and thats why i was pregnant.

I didnt 'think' it was because he let me live there..and i guess i was too tipsy to stop it. But i said i didnt want to.

NOW i speak because women [or men] need to know the signs.

 

[EddieRu]

I am Catholic and divorced. There are many like me in Europe. The church here is losing laity at a rapid rate not because of the validity of the Christian message it preaches but because of scandal and dogmatics. I am close to becoming an Anglo-Catholic.
Only Pope Francis keeps me still faithful to Peter's Church

 

[LivingWordUnity]

WarriorAngel,

Have you been considering applying for a Church annulment to see if the Church views the marriage as valid or not?

 

[benedictaoo]

This isn't Francis's words. It's the teaching of the Church that he's just doing his job, teaching us the faith that's always been.

 

[WarriorAngel]

WarriorAngel,

Have you been considering applying for a Church annulment to see if the Church views the marriage as valid or not?

It's in the process now.

 

[paulm50]

How did the Jews and Christian in the first Century handle marriage and divorce?

Anything after that is a man made rule.

 

[WarriorAngel]

How did the Jews and Christian in the first Century handle marriage and divorce?

Anything after that is a man made rule.

I'm sure filled with fear of the Lord's return [they felt was in their time] - no one Christian had the desire for divorce.
They were all pretty much awe filled and waiting.
They were a community and helped one another - and hid from persecution.
Divorce, arguing [etc] was likely last thing on the list.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

How did the Jews and Christian in the first Century handle marriage and divorce?

Anything after that is a man made rule.

The Christians of the first century took seriously what Jesus said about marriage and divorce, and they followed the guidance of their local bishop.

 

[Open Heart]

And also when the safety of men is at stake, right? Because men can be abused too.

I think that goes without saying.

 

[Hetta]

I think that goes without saying.

But why specifically say women and children, and not men.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

But why specifically say women and children, and not men.

Perhaps because abuse, at least physical abuse, happens more often to women and children.

 

[stray bullet]

I don't know why one would say WOMAN and not MAN.