Pope "infallible only in rare situations"

[Rochir]

Interesting statement by Benedict XVI.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050728/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_pope_s_lament

However, I would contradict the following assessment, namely that the West is "a world that has arrived at a time in which there's no more evidence of the need for God, much less Christ, and in which it seems that man alone can make himself."

If ones looks to the USA, religion is very well alife there today (I specifically don't say "God is alife there" for I do not feel that to be true).

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Ok, you can contradict it, but you are wrong.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Interesting statement by Benedict XVI.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050728/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_pope_s_lament

However, I would contradict the following assessment, namely that the West is "a world that has arrived at a time in which there's no more evidence of the need for God, much less Christ, and in which it seems that man alone can make himself."

If ones looks to the USA, religion is very well alife there today (I specifically don't say "God is alife there" for I do not feel that to be true).

Everybody's infallible in some situations. For example I didn't fail to sleep through the night last night. Pretty good, if you ask me.

 

[Rochir]

Ok, you can contradict it, but you are wrong.

Says who???

 

[invisible trousers]

i'm down but only if "rare situations" means "never in his life"

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Says who???

Me! See, my opinion is worth as much as yours.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

More from Papa Ratzi on this topic...

The Western world is in the process of self-destruction, “tired of its own culture,” and overcome by a stale rationalism that makes it difficult to appreciate the evidence of God's existence and love for mankind, said the Pope. The Christian faith is largely misunderstood as “a subjective, arbitrary choice” and as an “antique” with no practical value to modern man.

In this moment in history, particularly in Europe and Australia, “the great churches seem to be dying" and new religious sects are growing, putting traditional religions, particularly mainstream Protestant denominations, “in a very deep crisis,” the Pope said.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=4505

 

[Rochir]

Me! See, my opinion is worth as much as yours.

Don't have a problem with that ... as long as my opinions are as much worth as yours !

 

[sidiousmax225]

More from Papa Ratzi on this topic...

The Western world is in the process of self-destruction, “tired of its own culture,” and overcome by a stale rationalism that makes it difficult to appreciate the evidence of God's existence and love for mankind, said the Pope. The Christian faith is largely misunderstood as “a subjective, arbitrary choice” and as an “antique” with no practical value to modern man.

In this moment in history, particularly in Europe and Australia, “the great churches seem to be dying" and new religious sects are growing, putting traditional religions, particularly mainstream Protestant denominations, “in a very deep crisis,” the Pope said.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=4505

Bah, cursed rational thinking and intelligent skepticism!!!!

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Bah, cursed rational thinking and intelligent skepticism!!!!

Yep, the world is full of Einsteins.

 

[Rochir]

Yep, the world is full of Einsteins.

One doesn't need to be an Einstein to see the shortcomings of any religion. War, for example!

And in my mind, tolerance towards each person's choice of believe or non-believe is a far greater sign of civilization than numbers of baptized or religiously active people!

 

[TwinCrier]

Aww, and I was really liking this pope before he started the America bashing.

 

[MadeInOz]

I thought it only counted if he was sitting on the Infallability chair, wearing the Hat of Incorruptability and Wielding the Mace of I'mneverwrongedness...

bleh.

 

[murron]

MOD HAT ON

Before this gets ugly ...let's all please remember CF Rule 2.3:

2.3 You will not post anything that puts down or belittles any Christian group or denomination.

We may not all agree on doctrinal issues between the various denominations, but we must all respect each other and the choice we each make to be a part of any specific denomination.

Please, everyone, remember to have respect for the faith of others.

MOD HAT OFF

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I thought it only counted if he was sitting on the Infallability chair, wearing the Hat of Incorruptability and Wielding the Mace of I'mneverwrongedness...

bleh.

When Jesus promised to guide His Church into all truth He didn't require magical items, just His Spirit.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Aww, and I was really liking this pope before he started the America bashing.

Really? What do you like about it, as a Christian?

 

[Quantos]

One question.

Was he speaking infallible when saying there only infallible in rare situations ?
If not, can he be wrong about being infallible ?

 

[loribee59]

I do not consider the Pope "occasionally" infallible. For him to make that statement is arrogance in itself. ALL of us are fallible; including the Pope. And it's dangerous to put faith in a Pope who claimed to be infallible.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

I thought it only counted if he was sitting on the Infallability chair, wearing the Hat of Incorruptability and Wielding the Mace of I'mneverwrongedness...

bleh.

You forget... he was also wearing his +2 gloves of truthfulness.

 

[JPPT1974]

Only God is infalliable as people shouldn't put their faith and trust in the Pope that's vulnerable and does make mistakes.