MJ Only Pope Francis and the Jews

[Hoshiyya]

I think "angel" of the abyss might just be our first clue, that the antichrist is not human.

Yes...
how would a human being tame an army of demonic locusts and fallen angels anyway, you know ?

In brief, my view is the Azazel interpretation. A fallen angel mentioned in 1 Enoch and Numbers is the angel who was locked in the abyss, called Tartarus in the New Testament, and referred to as the angel of the abyss in the book of revelation, per this interpretation.

 

[visionary]

Satan wants to be worshiped.
Satan wants the whole world to recognize Him as King of the World.
Satan can't have that unless He appears and receives this recognition.

 

[Open Heart]

From what I have read regarding CERN and the dimension it is trying to enter, the four dimensions you mention are in our dimension... who knows what is in the other dimension.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I see, you mean like another universe.

 

[Open Heart]

In one universe I'm a pirate, though.

That thought encourages me, yarrr


I can compare them.

Hitler killed way more people than did the "antichrist". He killed more of the people of Israel than did the "destroyer".

Look, in a sense, they were both antichrists, but I do not think either corresponds to the "angel of the abyss", "Abaddon", described in the Revelation of John.

Yes, they were both antichrists with a small c. But Nero was THE AntiChrist of Revelation. That's the Preterists view, which I share.

 

[Open Heart]

In one universe I'm a pirate, though.

That thought encourages me, yarrr

You're a cute pirate.

 

[Hoshiyya]

You're a cute pirate.

According to the multiverse theory, in one universe I am the Hebrew Catholic, and you're the non-trinitarian Messianic ; )

 

[Open Heart]

According to the multiverse theory, in one universe I am the Hebrew Catholic, and you're the non-trinitarian Messianic ; )

LOL you are so cute.

 

[Lulav]

Yes, they were both antichrists with a small c. But Nero was THE AntiChrist of Revelation. That's the Preterists view, which I share.

I was wondering about that, are you saying you hold the view that Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of the Temple in 70ce?

 

[Open Heart]

I was wondering about that, are you saying you hold the view that Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of the Temple in 70ce?

Israel has its own covenant which is ongoing. It is beloved for the sake of the patriarchs, quite independent of the church. It's gifts and callings are irrevocable. It continues to be a people of God... always will be.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[Open Heart]

I found a supurb five part article by Stuart Dauermann on the Catholic Church and the Jews. It's long but worth the read. Stuart is the Rabbi Emeritus of Ahavat Zion and a member of the Messianic Jewish Rabbinical Council.

From Part 1: [Pope St. John Paul II] said the relationship between the Church and the Jewish people goes to the very essence of Christian faith itself, and that “to deny it is to deny something essential to the teaching of the Church.”[7] The spiritual bond with Jews, for John Paul, is to be properly understood as a “sacred one, stemming as it does from the mysterious will of God.”

Part 1 http://www.messianicjudaism.me/agen...atholic-church-the-jewish-people-and-zionism/
Part 2 http://www.messianicjudaism.me/agen...hurch-the-jewish-people-and-zionism-part-two/
Part 3 http://www.messianicjudaism.me/agen...rch-the-jewish-people-and-zionism-part-three/
Part 4 http://www.messianicjudaism.me/agen...urch-the-jewish-people-and-zionism-part-four/
Part 5 http://www.messianicjudaism.me/agen...urch-the-jewish-people-and-zionism-part-five/

 

[Dave-W]

According to the multiverse theory

Is that like "Second verse - same as the first;
could get better but its gonna get worse.....?"

 

[Dave-W]

As far as "multi-verse" goes - isn't that a contradiction in terms?
After all, as originally described, the universe would include all of these different realms and dimensions and time-branches.

 

[Hoshiyya]

As far as "multi-verse" goes - isn't that a contradiction in terms?
After all, as originally described, the universe would include all of these different realms and dimensions and time-branches.

I didn't invent the term, but I think the idea is:

that this is one physical universe, where we have this conversation.
In another physical universe we might the same conversation, but possibly with variations.
The multiverse includes all these universes and parallel (or variant) histories.

 

[Dave-W]

that one physical universe is this, were we have this conversation.

I though that would be one realm within the universe which also held all those other realms. UNI- (only one) verse.

Perhaps this is a function of the sad american trend to misuse terms due to lack of vocabulary. Not unlike saying some date is the "3 month anniversary;" rather than the third mensiversary. Anniversary comes from the Latin Annus meaning "year" and versus for "turning." Mensiversary substitutes the Latin for "month;" mensis. That word has been in (very) limited use for about 200 years.

 

[Open Heart]

Multiverse means there is another universe where Captain Kirk is evil.

 

[Hoshiyya]

I get your point about anniversary.
However universe, realm, world, these are more abstract.
The terminology of the multiverse theory is the least relevant aspect of it.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Multiverse means there is another universe where Captain Kirk is evil.

Depending on which version of the theory we're talking about, this is also a possible definition:
there's an infitie amount of universes/timelines where Kirk is good,
an infinite amount of universes/timelines where Kirk is bad,
an infinite amount of universes/timelines where he is neutral,
an infinite amount of universes/timelines where he doesn't exist,
and an infinite amount of universes/timelines where Kirk is a Wood Grouse.

 

[Open Heart]

Depending on which version of the theory we're talking about, this is also a possible definition:
there's an infitie amount of universes/timelines where Kirk is good,
an infinite amount of universes/timelines where Kirk is bad,
an infinite amount of universes/timelines where he is neutral,
an infinite amount of universes/timelines where he doesn't exist,
and an infinite amount of universes/timelines where Kirk is a Wood Grouse.

LOL I love you Hoshiyya