Please pray that the next Pope will do the consecration

[Lepanto]

Please pray that the next Pope will consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady. Otherwise there won't be peace in the world.

I know this is impossible to happen under natural circumstances because the evil force won't allow this to happen. But this can happen if enough people pray the Rosary and do penances. And the evil force have no power to stop us from praying and doing penances.

"If my requests are not fulfilled, Russia will spread her errors throughout the world...the holy father will have much to suffer...But in the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph... the holy father will consecrate Russia to My Immaculate Heart ... there will be peace."

Either the Pope do the consecration now or he will do it after the Great Chastisement !

 

[Fantine]

Please note: Communism fell in 1989.

Russia is now a number of independent states who have joined in a voluntary commonwealth.

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania
Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova
Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan
Chechnya
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan

 

[Rhamiel]

Please note: Communism fell in 1989.

Russia is now a number of independent states who have joined in a voluntary commonwealth.

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania
Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova
Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan
Chechnya
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan

The Blessed Mother warned us that Russia would spread its errors to the nations

I do not believe that the "errors" talked about were economic systems. Why would God care what economic system we are under?

I think the error talked about was the dehumanization that we have seen. Reducing people to nothing more then a number, the ignoring of our God given rights and human dignity
this can be done under Socialism or Capitalism...

I believe that we did not listen to the Blessed mother and that the chastisement of the nations have come to pass

 

[Fantine]

I know a Polish priest who has ministered in several US states. He was here for about two years. He told me that when Poland was under Communist rule Catholicism was very strong because Catholics lived under persecution.

He said that after Communism fell in Poland, the people became like other people in western Europe, moral relativists with little interest in organized religion. He said that abortion has grown quite a bit since Communism fell.

So go figure...it's possible that the fall of Communism was worse for Catholicism than Communism was.

And I don't see what consecrating Russia (or the thirteen or so states that have formed a loose commonwealth that replaced "Russia") would do, and I have no idea what the great chastisement is.

What would the act of consecrating a defunct country do? If Russia (or the confederation of states formerly known as Russia) was consecrated, what difference would it make?

Wouldn't it be like awarding someone a posthumous Oscar?

 

[TheOtherHockeyMom]

Aren't a majority of the people who make up the Russian federation Orthodox? Is that really the biggest threat to Catholicism out there? I would think that atheists, agnostics, pagans or members of non-Christian faiths might be bigger concerns.

 

[Basil the Great]

This is a most interesting topic. For starters, I believe that the Vatican claims that the consecration for Russia was done, when the entire world was consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Obviously, some disagree with this interpretation. Secondly, rumor has it that John Paul did not consecrate Russia specifically, as he did not wish to offend the Eastern Orthodox and such a move might be intepreted by some as an intent to convert Russia to Catholicism.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

This is a VERY nasty sticking point for we Orthodox. I must say plainly that it is an insult to say that Russia needs to be consecrated to the Theotokos. Russia for centuries was the shining light of Orthodoxy and dedicated advocate for Marian devotion. Today, Russia has an intense devotion to the Mother of God. To say that Russia needs a consecration that she has already had for centuries, it's insulting.

When people say, "Boy, I think the Orthodox are going to merge with Rome someday soon!" and then turn around and insult Holy Orthodoxy with statements like this, it's ironic indeed....

 

[thereselittleflower]

This is a VERY nasty sticking point for we Orthodox. I must say plainly that it is an insult to say that Russia needs to be consecrated to the Theotokos. Russia for centuries was the shining light of Orthodoxy and dedicated advocate for Marian devotion. Today, Russia has an intense devotion to the Mother of God. To say that Russia needs a consecration that she has already had for centuries, it's insulting.

When people say, "Boy, I think the Orthodox are going to merge with Rome someday soon!" and then turn around and insult Holy Orthodoxy with statements like this, it's ironic indeed....

No one has insulted you or the EO here. If you feel insulted then this is something you are bringing with you here into our home.

This may be how you feel, but you must realize there are going to be those points of disagreement between the EO and the Catholic Church. But that doens't give either the right to go into the other's forum and insult or upbraid the other Church by saying how insulting their actions or beliefs are, etc.

This is not the place to attack our belief.

In our point of view, the Pope is over the entire Church and the entire world is under his care and it is most appropriate and right for him to do as our Lady has requested and consecrate Russia to Her especially when Russia was an atheistic nation governed by atheistic laws. It is with a pastors' heart it was done, not to lord it over the EO.

We are not in agreement and we understand you don't like some of what we believe or do. But this is OBOB - please respect our feelings in our own living room, especially during Lent.

IMHO, if anything one would think in Christian charity the EO should welcome our prayers as we would welcome theirs. This is not a competition, and that anyone would attempt to make it so must deeply grieve the Holy Spirit and The Theotokos.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Please pray that the next Pope will consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mother Mary. Otherwise there won't be peace in the world.

I know this is impossible to happen under natural circumstances because the evil force won't allow this to happen. But this can happen if enough people pray the Rosary and do penances. And the evil force have no power to stop us from praying and doing penances.

"If my requests are not fulfilled, Russia will spread her errors throughout the world...the holy father will have much to suffer...But in the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph... the holy father will consecrate Russia to My Immaculate Heart ... there will be peace."

Either the Pope do the consecration now or he will do it after the Great Chastisement !

Lepanto, you are aware that Sister Lucia has siad herself that the consecration has been done according to Our Lady's instruction?

We have

...the testimony of Sr. Lucia, in 1989, in a hand-written letter to the Fatima Family Messenger, a Fatima magazine edited by Fr. Robert Fox, which apparently does confirm that the consecration made in 1984 was valid. In this letter she points out that previous consecrations were not fully efficacious, because they had not been made in union with the bishops of the world.[10]

Sr. Lucia produced another signed note, dated 3 July 1990, in response to a specific question from Fr Fox, of which the following excerpt is a translation from the Portuguese:

"I come to answer your question, 'If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on March 25, 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the conversion of Russia, according to the request of Our Lady in Tuy on June 13 of 1929'? Yes it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made. And I say that no other person responds for me, it is I who receive and open all letters and respond to them."[11]

[10] Martins & Fox, Documents on Fatima, pp. 84-85.
[11] Martins & Fox, Documents on Fatima, p. 86. Sr Lucia also wrote three letters to the journal 30 Days in which she confirmed that the collegial consecration had been accomplished, cf. Tindal-Robertson, Fatima, Russia & Pope John Paul II, p. 27.

Pope John Paul II and the Collegial Consecration of 1984

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Why do you question Sister Lucia's words on the matter?

 

[Lepanto]

Lepanto, you are aware that Sister Lucia has siad herself that the consecration has been done according to Our Lady's instruction?

We have

...the testimony of Sr. Lucia, in 1989, in a hand-written letter to the Fatima Family Messenger, a Fatima magazine edited by Fr. Robert Fox, which apparently does confirm that the consecration made in 1984 was valid. In this letter she points out that previous consecrations were not fully efficacious, because they had not been made in union with the bishops of the world.[10]

Sr. Lucia produced another signed note, dated 3 July 1990, in response to a specific question from Fr Fox, of which the following excerpt is a translation from the Portuguese:

"I come to answer your question, 'If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on March 25, 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the conversion of Russia, according to the request of Our Lady in Tuy on June 13 of 1929'? Yes it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made. And I say that no other person responds for me, it is I who receive and open all letters and respond to them."[11]

[10] Martins & Fox, Documents on Fatima, pp. 84-85.
[11] Martins & Fox, Documents on Fatima, p. 86. Sr Lucia also wrote three letters to the journal 30 Days in which she confirmed that the collegial consecration had been accomplished, cf. Tindal-Robertson, Fatima, Russia & Pope John Paul II, p. 27.

Pope John Paul II and the Collegial Consecration of 1984

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Why do you question Sister Lucia's words on the matter?

It's up to you to believe me or not. The consecration asked by Our Lady has not been done satisfactorily. Otherwise
- there would be peace in the world
- Obama won't be doing his anti-Christian campaign
- there won't be anymore gun shootings
- communist China won't be persecuting Christians anymore.

Don't be so gullible, just compare sister Lucia's photos before and after 1947. Are they really the same person ??

 

[Angeldove97]

It's up to you to believe me or not. The consecration asked by Our Lady has not been done satisfactorily. Otherwise
- there would be peace in the world
- Obama won't be doing his anti-Christian campaign
- there won't be anymore gun shootings
- communist China won't be persecuting Christians anymore.

Don't be so gullible, just compare sister Lucia's photos before and after 1947. Are they really the same person ??

I wasn't sure either for a long time but I believe- as the Church upholds- that the Consecration was done. I would suggest that you learn more from resources that support the Consecration done by Pope John Paul II before deciding.

I don't believe our Blessed Mother promised us that we wouldn't have gun shootings, pain, or suffering. Not even Christ promised that to us when He was on earth and changing people into believers. There will be suffering until He comes again, but there was a time of peace after the Consecration took place and considering how terrible things were during the World Wars, while there is still fighting going on, at least we're not at WWIII yet.

 

[Lepanto]

I wasn't sure either for a long time but I believe- as the Church upholds- that the Consecration was done. I would suggest that you learn more from resources that support the Consecration done by Pope John Paul II before deciding.

I don't believe our Blessed Mother promised us that we wouldn't have gun shootings, pain, or suffering. Not even Christ promised that to us when He was on earth and changing people into believers. There will be suffering until He comes again, but there was a time of peace after the Consecration took place and considering how terrible things were during the World Wars, while there is still fighting going on, at least we're not at WWIII yet.

It's definitely up to you to believe me or not. But I am sure the consecration has not been done satisfactorily.

Falsehood can deceive people for a while, but it definitely leave people feeling confused and without peace. You just cannot understand the present world and will feel confused if you believe the consecration is done. Just the third secret as disclosed by Vatican in 2000 is enough to make you scratch your head.

Moreover, in 2010, Pope Benedict contradicted himself by saying that the Fatima message
has NOT been fulfilled. If the consecration is done, why the message is not fulfilled ???

Also, look at what communist China is doing with its military... enough to get us worried.

I am preparing myself and my family according to what I believe. In the future, when the message is fulfilled, remember what I said today.

 

[Antigone]

Also, look at what communist China is doing with its military... enough to get us worried.

China, unlike the west, has no drive to expand itself beyond what it considers its own borders. If they ever do use their army against another country it'll be Tibet or maybe India's northern regions, or to slap down North Korea if they get too worked up. If they choose to punish America in some way it'll be economically and trust me, their economy is anything but communist these days.

 

[thereselittleflower]

It's definitely up to you to believe me or not. But I am sure the consecration has not been done satisfactorily.

Falsehood can deceive people for a while, but it definitely leave people feeling confused and without peace. You just cannot understand the present world and will feel confused if you believe the consecration is done. Just the third secret as disclosed by Vatican in 2000 is enough to make you scratch your head.

Moreover, in 2010, Pope Benedict contradicted himself by saying that the Fatima message
has NOT been fulfilled. If the consecration is done, why the message is not fulfilled ???

Also, look at what communist China is doing with its military... enough to get us worried.

I am preparing myself and my family according to what I believe. In the future, when the message is fulfilled, remember what I said today.

Umm excuse me but...

Moreover, in 2010, Pope Benedict contradicted himself by saying that the Fatima message
has NOT been fulfilled. If the consecration is done, why the message is not fulfilled ???
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Pope Benedict did not say that. Did you actually read what he said or just take someone else's word for it? That was not the language used. And even if he did say that, the Fatima message was not limited to the consecration.

What he said was:

"We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is complete.."

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That's not the same thing at all as you claimed.

 

[Angeldove97]

That's not the same thing at all as you claimed.

 

[thereselittleflower]

It's up to you to believe me or not. The consecration asked by Our Lady has not been done satisfactorily. Otherwise
- there would be peace in the world
- Obama won't be doing his anti-Christian campaign
- there won't be anymore gun shootings
- communist China won't be persecuting Christians anymore.

Don't be so gullible, just compare sister Lucia's photos before and after 1947. Are they really the same person ??

So you believe in a conspiracy. Why should we believe you over the Church?

I'm sorry.

First of all, this revelation is not part of Divine Revelation and so there is no requirement that anyone believe it with faith.

This is not a matter of Catholic faith. It is private revelation. To hold it up as somehow trumping the Church is a misuse of private revelatioin.

I have no need to believe anyone who tries to make a conspiracy out of a private revelation.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Moreover, in 2010, Pope Benedict contradicted himself by saying that the Fatima message
has NOT been fulfilled. If the consecration is done, why the message is not fulfilled ???

Again, as I said, those were not the word of Pope Benedict - he said Fatima's "prophetic mission" has not been completed - he didn't use the word "fulfilled."

The prophetic mission of Fatima is much bigger than the consecration of Russia. There were three secrets.

Has the prophetic mission of the third secret been completed?

 

[Eretria90]

I have noticed that among more "traditional" Catholics (at least on some internet forums) there has been talk of hoping that the [next?] pope consecrates Russia. I'm wondering, where is this coming from all of a sudden? I know Russia was consecrated in the past.

I believe at least it has to do with the meteor that exploded over Russia recently. Why all of a sudden this should prompt a [re-]consecration is beyond me. People act like meteors hitting (or not hitting) the Earth is quite a rarity, when in fact it is not. Why not have the pope consecrate the whole Earth in this case? Better to be safe than sorry.

Meteor: Well, Russia is consecrated so I can't land there. How about Canada instead? On second thought, maybe I should visit my old friend in the Yucatan.

 

[Miserere]

Please note: Communism fell in 1989.

Russia is now a number of independent states who have joined in a voluntary commonwealth.

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania
Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova
Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan
Chechnya
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan

Communism is in no way, shape, or form, dead. Russia is still spreading her errors throughout the world. Pope John Paul II consecrated the world to Mary, and that is not what she asked. She specifically requested a consecration to RUSSIA. Until that specific consecration of Russia is performed, there will be no peace in the world. Sorry to have to bring you out of whatever fantasy land you're living in.

 

[ebia]

I have noticed that among more "traditional" Catholics ...

The ones that disagree with the Popes, you mean?