Patheos: Institutional Racism is a Reality

[SummerMadness]

Institutional Racism is a Reality
October 25, 2016 by John O'Keefe

It seems silly to say, but institutional racism is a reality. It's alive and well in our politics, our churches, our businesses, and in every part of our culture. If institutional racism is not a reality, why would white America fear being a minority? Besides, institutional racism goes deeper than color of skin. It is center on color, gender, sexuality, religion, and more. To claim otherwise would indicate we're either blind, ignorant, or just happy we're not the ones being discriminated against

 

[Blondepudding]

I wonder how many dollars were spent on that study.
I was back home in the states for awhile and it's apparent that racism is ever present in television advertising there.

It will always be an issue in my view. Simply because of the human ego that is at its heart self-centered.

 

[Chesterton]

Nice bit of comedy there. Repeated throughout the article: it's real if you think it's real.

"Invisible unicorns are a reality. You see, to truly grasp the reality of invisible unicorns, and how they're deeply embedded in our culture, we must first admit there are invisible unicorns. This is hard for many."

Yes it is hard for many.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Racism is only one small aspect of all the evil of society.
Murder, theft, immorality, idolatry, oppression,
violation of others in every way conceivable,
violent slavery, unwilling population control,
widespread plagues/ illness/ malnutrution/
as
the enemy - the prince of the power of the air -
comes only to kill, to steal and to destroy
and
the
only solution that's not hypocritical or fake
is
salvation YHWH'S WAY. In Y'SHUA(JESUS).

The solution to all the troubles of this society we are all in.

 

[SummerMadness]

Nice bit of comedy there. Repeated throughout the article: it's real if you think it's real.

"Invisible unicorns are a reality. You see, to truly grasp the reality of invisible unicorns, and how they're deeply embedded in our culture, we must first admit there are invisible unicorns. This is hard for many."

Yes it is hard for many.

The problem with this statement racism != unicorns. It's statistically demonstrable, even when controlling for factors like economics, income, education, etc. But I guess you can say it's a unicorn if you ignore facts.

 

[Chesterton]

The problem with this statement racism != unicorns. It's statistically demonstrable, even when controlling for factors like economics, income, education, etc. But I guess you can say it's a unicorn if you ignore facts.

If it were statistically demonstrable the author wouldn't have to keep saying "you can only see it by first admitting it's there".

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Institutional Racism is a Reality
October 25, 2016 by John O'Keefe

Good article.

The fact is America has been racist and has oppressed people who are not WASPs since before its inception.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Racism is only one small aspect of all the evil of society.
Murder, theft, immorality, idolatry, oppression,
violation of others in every way conceivable,
violent slavery, unwilling population control,
widespread plagues/ illness/ malnutrution/
as
the enemy - the prince of the power of the air -
comes only to kill, to steal and to destroy
and
the
only solution that's not hypocritical or fake
is
salvation YHWH'S WAY. In Y'SHUA(JESUS).

The solution to all the troubles of this society we are all in.

It should be pointed out that a lot of that was done in the past at the hands of Christians.

And please No True Scotsman nonsense.

 

[SummerMadness]

If it were statistically demonstrable the author wouldn't have to keep saying "you can only see it by first admitting it's there".

Perhaps you should re-read the article, your quote does not appear in the article. And if you believe you're paraphrasing the statement, you may want to re-read the article...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It should be pointed out that a lot of that was done in the past at the hands of Christians.

And please No True Scotsman nonsense.

I saw that phrase "no true scotsman" before on this forum,
but still don't have any idea why or what it means.

Yes - a lot of evil, the worse possible, was done TODAY and in the past at the hands of "christendom". (i.e. not true followers of Y'SHUA, at least not nearly so much).

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I saw that phrase "no true scotsman" before on this forum,
but still don't have any idea why or what it means.

Basically it means claiming that a Christian who does evil is not a true Christian in the first place.

It is seen as a cop out and an excuse to discard any evil act committed by a Christian.

Yes - a lot of evil, the worse possible, was done TODAY and in the past at the hands of "christendom". (i.e. not true followers of Y'SHUA, at least not nearly so much).

And that is what you have done here by claiming that the Christians who committed evil were not true followers of Jesus.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Basically it means claiming that a Christian who does evil is not a true Christian in the first place.

It is seen as a cop out and an excuse to discard the evil committed by a Christian.



And that is what you have done here by claiming that the Christians who committed evil were not true followers of Jesus.

Not at all.
They were identified many times in the past as not true followers of Jesus due to their lives contradicting YHWH'S WORD in basically every way, not because of the harm they did.

Whenever the ecclesia sinned, like when Israel did,
they admitted it openly and repented of it.

The false ones did not admit it, but covered it up instead, and continued sinning willfully.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Not at all.
They were identified many times in the past as not true followers of Jesus due to their lives contradicting YHWH'S WORD in basically every way, not because of the harm they did.

Maybe we should just agree to disagree, because we are going off topic and starting to derail the thread.

 

[SummerMadness]

Those that commit evil acts can still be Christian, you can simply say they do not emulate Christ. But they are still Christian, warts and all.

 

[Tallguy88]

Those that commit evil acts can still be Christian, you can simply say they do not emulate Christ. But they are still Christian, warts and all.

No, they are not saved. They might claim to be Christians. They might belong to churches. But come Judgment Day, they will be told "I do not know you" and cast into eternal hellfire.

 

[Tallguy88]

"No true scotsman" doesn't apply when there is an objecyive standard to judge whether someone is a member of a group or not. CF has an objective standard for who is and isn't a Christian (belief in the Nicene Creed). Many churches and denominations have other standards.

Self-identification is the broadest standard and the one that tends to be in contention in the cases that "no true scotsman" is brought up.

 

[Rhamiel]

from the article

"If institutional racism is not a reality, why would white America fear being a minority?"

this seems to state that white people have a real threat posed to them by becoming a minority

it is refreshing to see this, normally any concern about becoming a minority is brushed off as a silly thing to be concerned about.

 

[SummerMadness]

from the article

"If institutional racism is not a reality, why would white America fear being a minority?"

this seems to state that white people have a real threat posed to them by becoming a minority

it is refreshing to see this, normally any concern about becoming a minority is brushed off as a silly thing to be concerned about.

Fear of not being the majority suggests that you know things are unequal. Their fear clearly demonstrates they understand the current racist power dynamic and are fearful if it changes. If there were no institutional racism, then there should be no fear.

 

[Rhamiel]

Fear of not being the majority suggests that you know things are unequal. Their fear clearly demonstrates they understand the current racist power dynamic and are fearful if it changes. If there were no institutional racism, then there should be no fear.

arguable
some might think that there is no institutional racism in our culture as it is now, but that such a thing might form if Latinos and African-Americans become the majority?

lots of people have different thoughts and beliefs

 

[SummerMadness]

arguable
some might think that there is no institutional racism in our culture as it is now, but that such a thing might form if Latinos and African-Americans become the majority?

lots of people have different thoughts and beliefs

How do you argue against two applicants with the same resume, but if the name is considered "black-sounding," it receives less calls for interviews? How do you argue against disparities in policing and criminal justice even when controlling for factors like economics, education, crime, etc.? How do you argue against housing discrimination that shows differences in types of loans received despite similar economic backgrounds? You say arguable, yet we know that racism was a major factor in the past; what evidence is there that this racism no longer is a factor? How can you look at the remaining disparities and argue that there is no institutional racism (despite all the evidence to the contrary)?