Pastors attack Cohen on bill

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Why is that liberals want free speech only for themselves. The right to criticize and condemn is protected free speech.

This is a losely-veiled attempt to censor Godly Christians who preach the Bible. In fact similar laws in Canada have been used to try to silence Christians preaching against the homosexual agenda in religious meetings!

Oh the agony of being a political liberal and seeing this stuff done in the cause of liberalism. It is enough to make you write the ACLU. Oh wait, the CCLU is silent about the Canadian censorship scandal. Hmmm...

Maybe political liberals have a double standard? Do you suppose...?
 
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Maybe political liberals have a double standard? Do you suppose...?

Maybe Christians are told to be proud of their persecution for His name? Do you really think God is pleased by His children using worldly things like the secular law (you remember, He doesn't look kindly on Christians filing lawsuits) to spread His word?
 
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Maybe Christians are told to be proud of their persecution for His name? Do you really think God is pleased by His children using worldly things like the secular law (you remember, He doesn't look kindly on Christians filing lawsuits) to spread His word?
Yes, I am sure of it. God says so. God says where the right-living ones rule, the people rejoice. God also says that right-living exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

Here is a quote from an email from the FRC:

In Tennessee, Rep. Steve Cohen (D) is finding out the hard way that pastors aren't buying the liberal line on H.R. 1592, the federal "hate crimes" bill. A growing number of ministers are sensing that the wave of support for applying "hate crimes" to sexual orientation spells trouble for religious leaders and their ability to speak freely from the pulpit.

Although Cohen is doing his best to reassure Tennessee's churches that they'll be unaffected, the state's faithful are challenging his vote in favor of the bill. Together with a powerful alliance of black and white pastors, congregations have ignited a firestorm across the Volunteer State that has resulted in a massive letter-writing and phone campaign. Cohen said his office fielded about 400 calls on the issue after local Memphis churches distributed thousands of fliers about where the bill could lead.

Yesterday, the congressman proved the churches' effectiveness by unleashing his anger on the House floor, accusing "right-wing, evangelical" groups of "misleading pastors." His accusation missed the mark; it is Cohen and his liberal leadership that are misleading the American public. Both have said that the bill, which is still pending in the Senate, would not trample on Americans' First Amendment rights.

Pastors like Chester Berryhill know better, saying that he and his colleagues understand that the purpose of the bill is to silence moral opposition. "If you get up in a pulpit now, and if you say homosexuality is a sin, you have 'attacked homosexuality.' ...We want absolutely no restrictions on what a preacher can preach..." We're encouraged that these Tennessee pastors have taken such a principled stand and reached a level of engagement that FRC is working to help all states imitate.
 
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Ah, the often repeated liberals only want free speech for themselves. You have a great talent for painting with a broad brush, and willfully ignoring any examples to the contrary.

And once again you have mananged to inject something about the ACLU into a post that has nothing to do with them.
 
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Yes, I am sure of it. God says so. God says where the right-living ones rule, the people rejoice. God also says that right-living exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

Here is a quote from an email from the FRC:

So as a Christian, I'm supposed to be proud that we are using tactics that are worldly, and usually evil, to spread the Gospel? I guess we really can do the job better than God's Holy Spirit.
 
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Why is that liberals want free speech only for themselves. The right to criticize and condemn is protected free speech.
This law has nothing to do with speech. It only affects felony convictions such as murder, beatings, rape, and kidnapping.

Suggesting it is anything else is demonstrated ignorance of the law itself. Suggesting it is similar to the Canadian laws is a lie. The Candadian law specifically criminalizes speech. The US law specifically PROTECTS speech.

You have read the bill, right? Did you miss that part?

Suggesting that it is only 'liberals' that support this law is another distortion that shows how weak your argument is.

You really should get some new talking points and actually try to understand the topics you bring up.

The ACLU has nothing to do with this and that is understandable. Nobodies first amendment rights are threatened by this law.

These ministers can still preach their hate just like the KKK can still preach their hate.

Existing hate crime laws don't stop the KKK from preaching hate. This law does not create any new class of crime nor does it change anything related to the freedom of speech that is already protected under existing hate crime laws.

And you fell for their distortions.
 
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One of the tools of the Jim Crow south was the underpunishment of racial crimes, such that blacks felt that violence against them was tacitly supported by the community.

I suspect that these pastors don't want that tool to be deprived them in their fight against gays.
 
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This law has nothing to do with speech. It only affects felony convictions such as murder, beatings, rape, and kidnapping.

Suggesting it is anything else is demonstrated ignorance of the law itself. Suggesting it is similar to the Canadian laws is a lie. The Candadian law specifically criminalizes speech. The US law specifically PROTECTS speech.

You have read the bill, right? Did you miss that part?

Suggesting that it is only 'liberals' that support this law is another distortion that shows how weak your argument is.

You really should get some new talking points and actually try to understand the topics you bring up.

The ACLU has nothing to do with this and that is understandable. Nobodies first amendment rights are threatened by this law.

These ministers can still preach their hate just like the KKK can still preach their hate.

Existing hate crime laws don't stop the KKK from preaching hate. This law does not create any new class of crime nor does it change anything related to the freedom of speech that is already protected under existing hate crime laws.

And you fell for their distortions.
I would support a law of that sort. However, I think we Christians can be a bit more tactful in our approach to these people-hate the sin, not the sinner, remember? We should speak out against such things, yes, but don't do so in a hateful manner.
 
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Why is that liberals want free speech only for themselves. The right to criticize and condemn is protected free speech.

This is a losely-veiled attempt to censor Godly Christians who preach the Bible. In fact similar laws in Canada have been used to try to silence Christians preaching against the homosexual agenda in religious meetings!

Oh the agony of being a political liberal and seeing this stuff done in the cause of liberalism. It is enough to make you write the ACLU. Oh wait, the CCLU is silent about the Canadian censorship scandal. Hmmm...

Maybe political liberals have a double standard? Do you suppose...?
Why is that liberals want free speech only for themselves.

You throw assertions like that around a lot. If you spent half the time proving your claims instead of simply making assertions like that, you would have more respect among your CF peers.

This is a losely-veiled attempt to censor Godly Christians who preach the Bible.

Please. You are always posting news stories like this that make it seem as though the boogeyman is after Christians. There is very little truth in that belief, and that has been proven over and over on these forums. Rather than complain because Christians don't have full reign over the government in this country, why not be thankful for the freedoms you have?

Oh the agony of being a political liberal and seeing this stuff done in the cause of liberalism.

Strawman. What "cause of liberalism"? What "agony" about being a liberal?

Maybe political liberals have a double standard? Do you suppose...?

No I don't. This news story says that pastors believe restricts them from preaching against homosexuality. There's often a huge difference between your perception and reality. Hasn't this very bill already been shown to not restrict free speech from pastors here? If so, why do you continue to post propaganda that you know is misleading and wrong?
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SEC. 8. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.


Mayfly, you need to stop with the habitual lying.
 
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SEC. 8. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.


Mayfly, you need to stop with the habitual lying.
There you go. This act in no way abridges the right of free speech for anyone. Thank you, Invisible, for exposing untruthfulness.
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SEC. 8. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Research ftw.
 
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