Our Lady Of Good Success

[Dolorosa]

The Prophetic Mission
of Mother Mariana

An interview with Dr. Marian T. Horvat


[FONT=arial,helvetica]In the 17th century Our Lady appeared to a Spanish Conceptionist nun, Ven. Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres, one of the Founding Mothers of the Convent of the Immaculate Conception in Quito, Ecuador. During her life of 72 years, Mother Mariana received many apparitions and favors from Our Lady, who revealed important facts in the History of the Church. The Virgin Mary also told her to have a statue of Our Lady of Good Success made to be a protection for the whole world in the turbulent times to come.

Our Lady told Mother Mariana a great crisis in the Church would begin in the 20th century, and that only then would the devotion to Our Lady of Good Success become known because it would be the remedy for that crisis. To atone for the many profanations, blasphemies, and abuses and to hasten the day of the triumphant restoration of the Catholic Church, Mother Mariana was asked to become an expiatory victim for those times which are ours. It is not difficult to figure out that the crisis predicted for the 20th century was Council Vatican II and its consequences.

It is truly extraordinary. Our Lady set out the whole panorama of the present day calamity to a simple nun in Quito in the early 1600s. Mother Mariana saw the grievous situation, and almost died from the violence of the shock. One can only imagine how a vision of the shriveled post-Vatican II Church would distress a nun living in the healthy climate of the Counter-Reformation in the Church, which had one of its highest points in Spain, her homeland.

In particular, she suffered from seeing the impurity and corruption of the clergy in this crisis. The depraved priests of those times, she predicted, would so scandalize the Christian people that their vile actions would raise the general indignation of bad Catholics and the enemies of the Church against all priests. It is a very strong statement; nonetheless it has come to pass. Today Catholics world-over have had to face the torrent of homosexuality and pedophilia that has unfortunately inundated the Catholic clergy and hierarchy. Sadly and undeniably, this prophetic message of Mother Mariana has been fulfilled in our days.


Question: Your mention the prophetic messages of Mother Mariana. What were some of these prophecies, and have they been realized?

Answer: Volume I of that was published last year is important because it shows how her early sufferings and penances in the Conceptionist Convent prepared her for grand favors and her prophetic mission. The newly released Volume II is the book many persons were waiting for because it relates the majority of the prophecies, many that have come to pass, and others still reserved for the future.


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[SaintGeorge]

It sounds fishy. The Church was by no means prestine or ideal in those days (There were two antiPopes at once, for crying out loud), and the Second Vatican Council was an ecumenical council guided by the Holy Spirit, and thus it builds the Church up, not tears it down. Does the Church endorse this apparition? Anything that refers to an Ecumenical council as a "crisis" and claims that the Church needs to be restored, thus implying it was destroyed or defiled, seems demonic to me. This does not sound like the Holy Mother I know and love.

 

[D'Ann]

The OBOB is in FULL COMMUNION WITH ROME AND VAT II AND POPE BENEDICT THE XVI - Any links that goes against Rome/VatII and the Popes of Vat II will be removed.

 

[QuantaCura]

Wow, if she didn't like the Church now, what did she think of the 10x more depraved and corrupted (and more prevalent) priests that Pope St. Leo IX had to deal with in the 11th century with St. Peter Damian (ever read his book "City of Gommorrah"?). Or what about that bitter schism of the "Old Catholics" caused by the First Vatican Council (the SSPX schism is quite insignificant compared to that one)? Or those militantily liberal priests and bishops of the 1800s who rejected papal authority and wanted each individual nation-state to rule the Church and who claimed that dogma could change and that man was not morally obligated to profess the Catholic faith? What about those concillarists in the 1400s who said that local bishops conferences had more authority than the pope and who held a robber council without the pope affirming their erroneous doctrine? What about the two anti-popes during that same era and no one coould agree which of the three was the real pope? What about the robber council that St. Leo the Great had to deal with? What about the corruption and abuses concerning indulgences preceeding the Reformation? What bout the era of the Borgia popes? What about the violent times of the Reformation itself? What about the violent and militant liberalism of the 1700s where the Pope Pius VII was literally imprsoned and formerly Catholic nations were apostizing from the faith? What about the Arian heresy in the first few centuries of the Church where almost all of the bsihops denied the very divinity of Jesus? What about the middle ages when Masses were held that resembled burlesque shows and where donkeys in the sanctuary and the priest and people brayed like donkeys (read in the Catholic Encyclopedia about the Mass of Fools and the Mass of Asses)?

I hate to break to everyone, but our era may not be the best era of the Church (or maybe it is--we have had more saints than any era ever) but it is BY FAR not the worst.

The fact tha our Church even exists today is proof of it's divine origin an protection.

 

[Dolorosa]

Our Lady of Good Success has been approved by the church and the Bishops in Quito, Ecuador.

 

[QuantaCura]

Our Lady of Good Success has been approved by the church and the Bishops in Quito, Ecuador.

I don't doubt the apparitition, but I do doubt the Vatican II interpretation it has been given. The overall laxity of many Catholics and priests would have happened regardless. It was happening in the 1700s and 1800s. The First Vatican Council tried to stop it and the backlash actually accelerated the process. The evils of the 20th century have more to do with nationalism/unconditional patriotism, Individualism, and the godless systems of Fascism, Socialism, Communism (and the resulting World Wars) and the godless variety of republicanism/democracy as well as the rise in materialism and the disregard for the value of life--none of which is a result of Vatican II which happened to teach against all of these things.

The great evils of the 20th century have more to do with human society in general, not the Catholic Church specifically. In that regard, the 20th century may have been one of the worst for human civilization, but for the Church herself, it definitely was not.

 

[Markh]

I would say the whole Church militant that is the- laity, priests and bishops is in a greater crises than ever before.

In the past there have been simply bad popes and problematic cases where the very wealthy got involved with the Church.

Never have the majority of the laity (as well as others) fallen in the way they have today. The Church has failed to respond to the change in society properly and is still struggling greatly.

 

[SaintGeorge]

Dude, the minority has always been faithful, and the majority unfaithful. That is what we call fallen human nature.

 

[QuantaCura]

Dude, the minority has always been faithful, and the majority unfaithful. That is what we call fallen human nature.

Very true. To say the Church was some idyllic paradise of devoutness in the past is naive.

 

[plainswolf]

I don't doubt the apparitition, but I do doubt the Vatican II interpretation it has been given. The overall laxity of many Catholics and priests would have happened regardless. It was happening in the 1700s and 1800s. The First Vatican Council tried to stop it and the backlash actually accelerated the process. The evils of the 20th century have more to do with nationalism/unconditional patriotism, Individualism, and the godless systems of Fascism, Socialism, Communism (and the resulting World Wars) and the godless variety of republicanism/democracy as well as the rise in materialism and the disregard for the value of life--none of which is a result of Vatican II which happened to teach against all of these things.

I agree there were problems before, but the council seemed to greatly exacerbate them. But insofar as as the errors of the time, there where no conciliar condemnations of these things. And speaking of Communism, over 450 council bishops specifically asked for a condemantion of Communism - after the request was submitted, the request got "lost".. go figure.. The preconciliar popes condemned these things, but the council made no specific condemnations, that was not its purpose as Pope John XXII stated in his opening address: "often errors vanish as quickly as they arise, like fog before the sun The Church has always opposed these errors. Frequently she has condemned them with the greatest severity. Nowadays however, the Spouse of Christ prefers to make use of the medicine of mercy rather than that of severity. She consider that she meets the needs of the present day by demonstrating the validity of her teaching rather than by condemnations.."

The great evils of the 20th century have more to do with human society in general, not the Catholic Church specifically. In that regard, the 20th century may have been one of the worst for human civilization, but for the Church herself, it definitely was not.

This is true, liberalism, modernism and neo-modernism were rearing their ulgy heads again, and the council could have done much indeed to stem the spread of these, but it chose not to, but instead to "open its windows to the world" - and the crisis and problems of the world blew right in.

But insofar as Our Lady of Good Success is concerned, irreagrdless of how one wants to interpret it, this is a very legitimate and fully approved Marian event. And our Lady specifically warned and told of the ubelievable crisis that would befall the Church in the 20th century, so much so that a victim soul was chosen to expiate and offer herself for the Church of the 20th century and beyond. We may hate to hear this but many others have said the same thing, people such as Dietrich von Hildebrand who was very well educated in Church history - and who stressed that people simply do not realize the magnitude of this crisis in the Church. The question isn't so much what caused it, but realizing the crisis itself and guarding against it, by growing in Faith, Hope and Charity and reforming our lives, by living our faith more intensely.


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[plainswolf]

I would say the whole Church militant that is the- laity, priests and bishops is in a greater crises than ever before.

In the past there have been simply bad popes and problematic cases where the very wealthy got involved with the Church.

Never have the majority of the laity (as well as others) fallen in the way they have today. The Church has failed to respond to the change in society properly and is still struggling greatly.

I completely agree, this is an excellent analysis. I've heard St. Bonaventure made a prophecy of a future upheaval in the Church and that the Church would be restored by more orthodox and traditional priestly orders - and the same of the laity (as in the Church militant), a two-fold movement, sacerdotal and ordinary.

Dietrich von Hildrbrand gave some excellent advice for us:

"We have to realize that our time is like the time of Arianism, so we have to be extremely careful lest we be poisoned ourselves without noticing it. We must not underestimate the power of those ideas which fill the intellectual atmosphere of our time, nor the danger of being infected byt them when we are daily breathing this same atmosphere. Nor should we underestimate the dangers of getting used to the evils of the times, and then becoming insenstive to them. At first perhaps many people see the devastation in the vineyard, and react in the right way. But gutta cavat lapidem (dripping water slowly erodes the stone) - after awhile one becomes accustomed to it. Then, too, there is this to consider, that the devastation of the vineyard is an increasing process, and so certain evils of which belong to the earlier stages, seem harmless in light of the latter stages. And so we are in danger of becoming insensitive, on the one hand, because the devastation progresses, and it's beginnings seem insignificant in light of its advanced forms.

But it is still worse to become infected than to be insensitive. The first thing to be done in order to avoid both dangers is to realize completely how how extraordinary is the situation in which we live today. St. Peter tells us, "Brethren, be watchful, be sober, for your adversary the devil goes about like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour" (1 Peter 5:8). Just fifty years ago this watchfulness mainly referred to ur temptations to sin, the danger of offending God by sins of impurity, pharisaism, pride, greed, ambition, lack of charity, disobedience to the commands of God. Of course, even then there was the danger of being tempted by those intellectual and spiritual trends of the time which were incompatible with the revelation of Christ - but those dangers were outside the Church, and the danger for a Catholic was to fall away from the Church under their influence (and this happened enough).

But today these trends are able to develop within the Church. We can clearly discern them in sermons, in pastoral letters, and in books by well known theologians. Since these bad trends encounter so little resistance within the Church, it has become much more difficult for the simple faithful to grasp their incompatibility with the Deposit of Faith. Thus St. Peter's exhortation to watchfulness applies today in a special way to watchfulness with respect to heresies within the Church. We must constantly determine whether sermons, or the new books of Catholic theologians, do not contain something heretical, or same basically false emphasis. Th Imprimatur used to be a great garauntee, and especially the Index. But today we have to develop in ourselves a special awareness, a holy mistrust, for we not only live in a poisoned world, but in a devastated Church. In our present trial God requires of us this watchfulness, this holy fear of being infected. It would be a lack of humility to think we are in no danger of being infected. It would be a false security rooted in pride if we were to think that we are immune. Each of us must become aware of his frailty, to understand this special watchfulness is required of us by God in the trial we are going through.

It is important to realize that this is not the first time when Catholics have had to go through this trial. Cardinal Newman tells us:

"It is a miserable time when a man's Catholic profession is no voucher for his orthodoxy, and when a teacher of religion may be within the Church's pale, yet external to her faith. Such has been for a season of trial of her children at various eras of her history. It was the state of things during the dreaful Arian ascendancy, when the flock had to keep aloof from the shepherd, and the unsuspicious Fathers of the Western Councils trusted and followed some consecrated sophist from Greece or Syria. It was the case in those passages of medievil history when simony resusted the Supreme Pontiff, when heresy lurked in the universaties. It was a longer and more tedious trial, while the controversies lasted with the Monophysites of old, and with the Jansenists in the modern times. A great scandal it is and a perplexity to the little ones of Christ, to have to choose between rival claimants upon thier allegiance, or to find a condemnation at length pronounced upon one whom in their simplicity they have admired."

In the present time, "When a teacher of religion may be within the Church's pale, yet external to her faith," we must nourish ourselves with the thought of the great theologians of the past, with the works of St. Augustine, St. Anslem, St. Thomas, St. Francis De Sales, Cardinal Newman. Let us arm our souls against the theological poison of the times, by reading the condmenations of errors which were pronounced by Trent and Vatican I. Let us read the Credo of our Holy Father Pope Paul VI. Let us sharpen our sense of the specifically supernatural ethos by reading the lives of the saints, let us ask them to intercede for us.

And then we have to fight with all our strength - each of us according to his own possibilities - against all the heresies which are being spread every day without being explicitly condemned, without being anathematized, and without the heretics themselves being excommunicated. Phrases about the "Unity of Catholics" must not hinder us from taking up this holy struggle. Let us not forget St. Francis deSales, the saint of meekness, admonishes us in his Introduction to the Devout Life, "Here I am especially speaking of the open enemies of God and His Church; they must be publically branded just as often as possible. "It is a deed of love to cry the alarm when the wolf breaks into the sheepfold" (part III Chap. 29)
Of course an important part of this struggle is the "apostolate of being," that is, the great responsibility that every Chrisatian has before God of giving witness for Christ not only by what he says and does, but also by what he is. In this sense every Christian is called to the apostolate, and is partially responsible for for the soul of his neighbor.

And contemplation must play a role in the life of every Christian if he is to be a real apostle, although the role of contemplation varies with each Christian, according to his particular calling.

When we realize this, when we consider the lives of the saints and the unadluterated teaching of the Holy Church, we cannot help seeing what real renewal consist in, and how we can awaken and give new life to our faith, to our lives as Christians.

So we see that God expects us, in the present devastation of His vineyard, to respond first of all by growing in faith, hope, and love; secondly, by being especially watchful lest we be infected in any way; thridly, by struggling against the devastation with all the means at our disposal; and fourthly, by not forgetting that the abolute truth of the deposit of the Catholic faith objectively remains untouched by all the empty talk of certain theologians. The "world" radiated by the Tridentine Mass and by the Gregorian Chant objectively remains the true, blissful world which awaits us in eternity. The incomprehensible holiness and beauty of the sacred humnanity of Jesus remains a great objective reality despite all the attempts at secularization and desacrilization.

We must never forget that in spite of all the diobolic devastation of the vineyard of the Lord, the glory of the holy Church, the bride of Christ, and the glory of all the saints nevertheless remains untouched in its reality, indeed it is the one true reality. What do all the changing trends of the time really amount to? They are so much "sound and fury, signifying nothing" when compared with the eternal truth and the objective glory of Jesus Christ, with the holiness of the saints which glorifies God. Of course, it is terrible to see the vineyard of the Lord so ravaged, to see the souls of innocent children poisoned by by outrageous catechisms and by "sex education"; we cannot shed enough tears over all of this, we cannot fight fiercely enough against it with all the resources at our disposal. And yet, holy joy must awaken in us because we know what the truth of the Rdemption is, because God is and remains the same God who is revealed to us by Christ and His holy Church in the deposit of the Catholic Faith. The true sacred humanity of Christ, of which we find a reflection in alll the saints remains just the same

Jesu nostra redemptio Amor et desiderium Dues Creator omnium Homo in fine temptorum. Tu esto nostrum gaudium, Qui est futur praemium: Sit nostra in te gloria Per ****a semper saeccula. Amen"


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