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Octopus

Discussion in 'Spiritual Gifts' started by Christsfreeservant, Oct 26, 2007.

  1. Christsfreeservant

    Christsfreeservant Senior Veteran

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    Does anyone know the symbolism of Octopus? Faith had a dream about a big fish on a ramp and it turned into an Octopus. Any thoughts? I can't find anything on Octopus. Thanks for any help.
     
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    I found "Octopus" in an online dream dictionary.

    Octopus
    To see an octopus in your dream, signifies that you are entangled in some difficult matter or situation. Or it may mean that you are overly possessive and too clingy in a relationship.

    Hope that helps :)
     
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    Christsfreeservant Senior Veteran

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    Thank you! I appreciate the help. God bless!!
     
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    In the deliverance ministry, an octopus often represents the spirit of mind control.
     
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    Christsfreeservant Senior Veteran

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    Bobinator,

    Would you please elaborate on that statement. I would like to learn more.

    Thanks,

    Sue
     
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    Bobinator Senior Member

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    Christsfreeservant-

    We dealt with these spirits years ago in deliverance sessions. Members often saw visions of what appeared to be an octopus-looking thing wrapped around a person's head. I beleive this spirit is also described in Win Worley's books on spiritual warfare.

    I don't know a whole lot about this spirit except that it has something to do with manipulating and controling people's minds and their thought process, and could even be related to addictions, etc. I'm not referring to possession here, but there is no doubt certain individuals suffer from compulsive behavior and claim to not really being in direct control of themselves. This may or may not be related to the mind control spirit, but it sure needs more looking into.

    I'll consult with my pastor to find out more.
     
  7. Christsfreeservant

    Christsfreeservant Senior Veteran

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    Thanks, this is helping a lot. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

    She did say that she saw a big fish and that the fish then turned into an octopus. Any thoughts on what that could mean - a transformation from a big fish to an octopus?
     
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    I v seen this too, I also did not know the meaning at that time, but it feels awful.
     
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    Christsfreeservant Senior Veteran

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    I'd appreciate any insight on this as I do feel this is significant.
     
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    I shall give you some ideas but they maybe aren't what you are looking for but I believe it is important to share with you. I used to come here and other boards for all the answers to my dreams but I found if something actually meant something, the Lord would speak to me Himself. I believe by spending time in the Word and praying this person can find out what it means. I think if you do not know what her dream means, maybe you are not supposed to know. Maybe you are supposed to encourage her to ask the Lord about it that He may reveal to her what it means..

    The world has its symbolism for things, but I think it is dangerous to use the world to base deep meaning things on. Also I believe one cannot generalize what it means spiritually as a Christian either.

    For example, Pharaoh in the Bible dreamed of fat and skinny cows which represented revelations about his country's harvest. But if a person has a vision of a cow on a road, it may mean the Lord is revealing to them that they will see a cow on a road and they have to follow where it goes or something. But if a person dreams a cow is attacking them, it can mean something completely different.

    As far as that dream, i think the person should go to the Lord and examine everything and write down whatever they remember and pray about it. I can see some things that appear to be meanings.

    I mean something changed.. and with that, on a ramp. But i want to encourage you to seek the Lord on this matter and encourage you to tell the person that dreamed it to seek the Lord on this. here you may find many different interpretations, leading to confusion.. Confusion is not from God.
     
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    JoshuaM,

    Thank you so much for your response. You are right in that it is the Lord who gives the interpretation of dreams. He interprets mine all the time. Nonetheless, he allows or affords me outside resources to assist with the interpretation. He is always the first and final voice and he lets me know if what I read is from him or not.

    I already have a sense of what the meaning is to the dream from what the Lord has shown me previously, which is a private matter, and I have encouraged Faith many times over to seek the Lord for an interpretation to her dreams, yet I sensed that what she shared with me this time was significant to some things the Lord was showing me, so I was looking for any additional insight.

    Anything anyone gives me here is always weighed before the Lord to see if that is what he is saying or not.

    You are right, we can not just receive what people tell us here as the "authority" and we should always check anything we receive with the Lord and with scripture to see if it adds up.
     
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    I will tell you this. Faith's dream, again, was about a Big Fish on a boat ramp (fishing ramp) that turned into an Octopus. What the Lord brought to mind immediately is the term "Big Fish":

    With regard to this, I believe the Lord is showing me that Faith is running from God. The Lord gave me a word about her one morning with the song Letters from War. I clearly heard, That was her letter from war, referring to a letter the Lord gave to me to write to her the day previous. The premise of the song is a mother whose son has gone off to war and they are writing back and forth to each other until he gets captured. She continues to write for two years and then one day he shows up in the driveway carrying all of her letters from war. Her letters were calling for him to come home safely. The Lord was saying to me that he is calling Faith to come home safely because she is in captivity.

    I believe the reason the Big Fish is on the ramp has to do with another dream Faith had (8/23/07 Across-the-Board). These were some symbols from that dream:


    Symbols: Drive - to operate a vehicle, controlling its speed and direction, or be operated so as to move in a particular direction; the power that makes something work. Road - Holy way; the path of salvation and life; truth; Christ; a person; title or name of the way of the Christian; the wrong way; two destinies; the Gospel’s call. Across – from one side to the other. Bridge – passage over a river or chasm. Wood - Wood: Life; temporary; flesh; the human part of the Lord; dependence on the flesh; fleshly appetite. Waters: See also River, Brook, Ocean and Sea: Flowing in the Holy Spirit; nations of the earth; restlessness; note if there is an undercurrent or cross current; eternal life in Jesus; Word; spirit of man or enemy; instability; tremendous suffering or bitterness; baptism; death; cleansing.

    Watching everything go by – stagnant; complacent. Walking: Progress; living in the Spirit; living in sin; the conduct of the dreamer or their lifestyle and actions. Board – long rectangular piece of wood sawed thin. Boardwalk – a walk made of wooden boards usually along a beach or shore. Feet: To walk in Spirit; ways; the way you walk before God, is the way you think; behavior; formal possession; offense; one’s heart attitude; conduct before God and man; obstinate and strong willed if not moving; messenger of God; humble walk; lowly stance. Difficult walking: Trials; opposition. Dead end: Stop; repent; certain failure; stop and review everything and seek direction for necessary changes in direction. Planks – something to stand on or cling to for support – thicker than a board. Thick – permitting little or no light to enter; lacking the ability to learn and understand quickly.

    If you have read any of Faith's dreams, you will see that she is always being chased by evil, she is running, hiding, and fearful. And, she is often going down stairs or down an elevator or is trapped in a basement behind filing cabinets and she is being attacked by forces of evil, etc. Dragons, tigers, etc. are often themes in her dreams.

    I used to just think she was dreaming about End Times, and I do believe there is a dual message to many of her dreams that has as one of its themes the last days, but lately the Lord has made me keenly aware of some deep hidden things in her life that are holding her in captivity.

    In one of her more recent dreams, she is having a confrontation with Satan - Satan is telling her that he owns her household and her new baby. She leaves her bedroom and tries to turn on the lights but they won't turn on, there is little power in her house, except for a ceiling fan and a clock on the microwave oven. She rebukes Satan in the dream, but there is no indication that the lights (power) go back on. Often her dreams end in despair.

    So, when I read this about the Octopus symbolizing being entangled in something and I thought about the big fish turning into an Octopus, what I believe the Lord brought to mind is that Faith was/is running from God. First of all she was swallowed by a big fish, she did not repent, and now she is swallowed by this Octopus. The words mentioned about "controlling" is very true of her. She has abuse issues from her childhood she is not willing to face and I believe that is what is holding her captive and that she is living a life that is not under the power and control of the Holy Spirit but that is very flesh driven and controlled.

    Ok, I've said enough. I've said all this because she needs your prayers because she is in a real spiritual battle here and God is calling her to come home safely. Pray with me that she will listen to his voice and that she will come home.
     
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    I will absolutely pray for her. wow, with what you said, it matches what i was feeling earlier in reading this. i saw that there was something changing and it maybe had something to do with leading up to God.. In reading this I have to agree with what you say the Lord revealed to you about this. But i did not say anything. The ramp to me meant similar to what a ramp really is, which is often either a pathway up, or a jump up. the octopus is like an obstacle there that does not belong. Still, take God's words to You as final and not my own. But I shall put this in my prayers. i feel i can post a prayer, but maybe it is best if you post some sort of prayer as led in the prayer requests, and i will post a prayer.
     
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    Joshua,

    Thank you so much! There's some really tough stuff here and it is very serious. That is why I have been persistent here in getting any additional insight the Lord may supply. There is so much I can't say. But, I do so want people to pray for her.

    God keeps speaking to her in dreams and is giving her the message over and over again that something is wrong, but she won't accept it. The dream where she is standing out on a boardwalk with water surrounding her but no way out is about as clear a picture as can be that something is wrong if she feels that hopeless.

    Anyway, that is why I was looking for any additional insight on the symbolic meaning of Octopus.

    Well, I'll go over to the prayer section and put in a prayer request for her. Thanks!
     
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    The Lord shall bless you for your faithfulness to Him. I posted my prayer for this matter. Greater is He that is in us, than He that is in the world.
     
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    JPPT1974 Happy August!

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    Jesus knows the dreams that
    We have and only wants to help
    Us and never, ever to harm us
    As He loves us that He died on the cross
    And arose from the dead for us!
     
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    I couldn't find it S, but a while back someone in one thread or the other also mentioned seeing an octopus creature. Then he heard later on the news that this attack on Israel would be like an octopus with its' far reaching, grabbing tenacles.
    I'd never heard of this demonic force before. May do some searching on it.
     
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    Hey gracechick! Thanks!! I do believe that Faith's dreams have dual messages - one is about last days and the other is a personal message for her. The Lord does the same with me often. Either way, the Octopus seems to symbolize a demonic force of some kind that has a grip on people. Someone told me today that an Octopus represents a Jezebel spirit, perhaps like the whore of Revelation.

    The big fish she spoke of actually could be the church because coming to Christ is often referred to in the Bible in terms of catching fish/men. So, if we are all fish that were caught, then, perhaps, the church is the big fish, or it could be Israel who has not yet believed in Jesus as their Messiah. But, since the big fish was on the peer or ramp, it appears he has already been caught, so that would lead me back to the church who has turned into a Jezebel (the adulterous church of Revelation).

    Actually, I had not thought of that until you said what you did and then that reminded me of what my friend shared with me today. I believe that is what her dream is about - the church turning into a Jezebel (adulteress). And, again, I believe there is a dual application/interpretation of the dream.

    Thanks for sharing those thoughts with me.

    Sue
     
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    Octopus = Jezebel? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezebel_(biblical)

     
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    As a follow-up to this, the other morning the Lord gave me a dream "The Scarlett Letter" (posted on my blog) that is about adultery/sexual sin. He used me in the dream to show my past and how he brought me out of that but I was in another girl's house and in her bedroom and bedroom closet, so it was like the Lord was showing another female whose life has paralleled mine in many respects, but she has not yet traded in her Scarlett Letter but is still trying to cover it with something lighter to look like righteousness but the red (sin) is still showing through.

    The morning that I had that dream, Faith dyed her hair red and it was so bright, she immediately used a blond dye to try to cover up the brightness of the red, but the dark red roots still shone through. I didn't know until later in the day that she had done that.

    The thing is, almost always (if not always) the Lord has used the color red in my dreams to depict his blood and he has used black to depict sin, so this was the first time he used red to show sin. In the dream I tried to cover the red with a cream color (representing my past) and in real life Faith tried to cover her red with a blonde color. I don't think that was just a coincidence that this happened on the same day.

    In the dream, I traded my red for white, but the girl was wondering how I got white and she didn't.
     
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