Obama defends ground zero mosque plans

[The Lady Kate]

The right thing? I don't know about that.

"Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said that while the Muslim community had the right to build the mosque, doing so near the site of the Sept. 11 World Trade Center attack would needlessly offend too many people.

THis is America... people have the right to be offensive.

"President Obama is wrong," King said. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero.

Insensitive and uncaring? Maybe... but perfectly legal. Prove otherwise.

"The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from Ground Zero."

You mean the government should've coerced a private citizen to sell his private property to benefit the collective good? SOCIALIST!

(I don't actually believe this, of course, but can't you just hear the neocons howling it had Obama's sentiments ran the other way?)

Newt Gingrich, a Republican and former House speaker, also condemned the president's comments.
Gingrich said the proposed mosque and community center would be a symbol of Muslim "triumphalism" and building it near the site of the 2001 attack "would be like putting a Nazi sign next to the Holocaust museum."

Newt Gingrich knows little and matters less.

Got Medieval: Professor Newt's Distorted History Lesson

"So it’s easy to see why a group of Muslims creating a community center in the heart of a majority Christian country in a city known for its large Jewish population might name it “The Cordoba House” They’re not, as Gingrich hopes we would believe, discreetly laughing at us because “Cordoba” is some double-secret Islamist code for “conquest”; rather, they’re hoping to associate themselves with a particular time in medieval history when the largest library in Western Europe was to be found in Cordoba, a city in which scholars of all three major Abrahamic religions were free to study side-by-side."

Of course America defends fundamental rights and this is important. But, are there not other factors involved here? Does this not question the motives of those who want this built? What about the funding for this mosque?

So provide some hard facts, not rumors and suspicions...

What's that, you say? Ain't gots none? Discussion over... fundamental rights win.

 

[variant]

No one is denying they have a right to build this mosque in downtown NYC. Knowing a little about the leader, imam feisal abdul rauf, it would seem that some of his teachings and beliefs are opposed to American law. Like I said in another post, where is imam feisal abdul rauf getting the funding for this project?

I'm opposed to many things about American law and wish it changed, does that mean I’m not entitled to equal rights?

If he has taken funds from terrorists then he should be investigated, arrested and tried by a jury. That is how our system deals with illegal sources of funding.

In most cases, I would agree that is not about feelings but sometimes, especially when American lives are involved, its all about the heart of the American public. This needs to win here.

So, free exercise of religion, except when stepping on the wrong peoples toes?

Not, really seeing how that makes sense.

 

[Everlasting33]

"President Obama has this all wrong and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near Ground Zero," Greene said. "Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else. President Obama had the chance to show leadership by calling on the mosque's supporters to find a more appropriate location."

FOXNews.com - Administration's Muddled Response on Mosque Creates New Election Year Debate

 

[Everlasting33]

If he has taken funds from terrorists then he should be investigated, arrested and tried by a jury. That is how our system deals with illegal sources of funding.



So, free exercise of religion, except when stepping on the wrong peoples toes?

Not, really seeing how that makes sense.

See my post above.

 

[Drekkan85]

"President Obama has this all wrong and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near Ground Zero," Greene said. "Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else. President Obama had the chance to show leadership by calling on the mosque's supporters to find a more appropriate location."

FOXNews.com - Administration's Muddled Response on Mosque Creates New Election Year Debate

Again - why does common sense dictate this? Islam did not attack on 9/11 - a group of extremists did. This group wanting to build the mosque is a moderate group seeking to bridge gaps with the west. You go around [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ing off all the moderates and where does that drive Islam? Further into the fold of extremism.

 

[The Lady Kate]

"President Obama has this all wrong and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near Ground Zero," Greene said. "Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else. President Obama had the chance to show leadership by calling on the mosque's supporters to find a more appropriate location."

Which would've been decried by the neocons as yet another example of Big Government stepping in... let's not pretend that anything Obama does or could do wouldn't be condemned by his more deranged detractors.

 

[variant]

See my post above.

Your post is an opinion of someone about what someone else should do with their constitutionally derived rights.

They are entitled to their opinions of what other people do with their rights, and entitled to their opinion that the president should use his position to condemn them.

I think personally that allowing everyone their proper rights even when they do something we would rather they not is what makes us strong as a country, freedom is what sets us apart.

 

[Faith.Man]

"President Obama has this all wrong and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near Ground Zero," Greene said. "Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else. President Obama had the chance to show leadership by calling on the mosque's supporters to find a more appropriate location."

FOXNews.com - Administration's Muddled Response on Mosque Creates New Election Year Debate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel Rahm Emanuel is quoted as saying “You don’t ever want a crisis to go to waste; it’s an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid." This administration loves a good crisis, even if they have to fan the flames of chaos a little. It's like the con game three-card monte. Always keep 'em guessing even when the game is fixed.

 

[Everlasting33]

Again - why does common sense dictate this? Islam did not attack on 9/11 - a group of extremists did. This group wanting to build the mosque is a moderate group seeking to bridge gaps with the west. You go around [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ing off all the moderates and where does that drive Islam? Further into the fold of extremism.

They killed in the name of Islam. If I am not mistaken, the Koran encourages this.

 

[Drekkan85]

They killed in the name of Islam. If I am not mistaken, the Koran encourages this.

The IRA killed at least partially in the name of Papism against the heathen. Sikhs killed in the name of their religion when they committed the largest act of terrorism on Canadian soil when they bombed a large Air India flight.

Just because they killed "in the name of Islam" does not make it that Islam attacked the US. A deluded group of madmen with great financial backing, and a warped view of their religion, committed the act.

Thinking of Islam as monolithic is as simplistic as when the US thought of Communism as monolithic - and it's just as wrong.

 

[thaumaturgy]

"President Obama has this all wrong and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near Ground Zero," Greene said. "Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else. President Obama had the chance to show leadership by calling on the mosque's supporters to find a more appropriate location."

FOXNews.com - Administration's Muddled Response on Mosque Creates New Election Year Debate

It is such a shame that these "muslims" are allowed to even be AMERICANS! I mean, sheesh! Where are our "values"? This is a CHRISTIAN NATION or so I've heard repeatedly!

We have many who want to enforce laws mandating what a woman can do with her own body based on The Laws of the Judeo Christian God, and we have groups who want a portion of the text of This Judeo-Christian God's Holy Book Engraved on our courthouses!

Considering that Obama was talking at a dinner that honors a muslim holiday that was first done by Thomas Jefferson I have to wonder how far our country has fallen.

First we allow Muslims to be americans, next we allow them to worship freely within "their own country". What's next?

Think about these monsters when we are attempting to justify denying their religion access to the same country as us:

Salman Hamdani. Devout Muslim. 23 years old. NY City Police Cadet and part-time ambulance driver. He apparently died trying save people near the North Tower on 9/11. His body, when it was found had his EMT bag with it.

Baraheen Ashrafi. MUSLIM. 9 months pregnant. Her husband (another MUSLIM) was a waiter in the restaurant on the top of Tower One.

HERE's a short list of innocent Muslims who died in 9/11.

And here's an interesting thing to think about from the words of this so-called "Christian" nation's favorite Holy Book:

Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

 

[variant]

Just build a gay bar next to the Mosque and let see who's tolerant?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The right thing? I don't know about that.

"Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said that while the Muslim community had the right to build the mosque, doing so near the site of the Sept. 11 World Trade Center attack would needlessly offend too many people.
"President Obama is wrong," King said. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero.
"The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from Ground Zero."
Newt Gingrich, a Republican and former House speaker, also condemned the president's comments.
Gingrich said the proposed mosque and community center would be a symbol of Muslim "triumphalism" and building it near the site of the 2001 attack "would be like putting a Nazi sign next to the Holocaust museum."

Nation & World | Obama tempers stand on N.Y. mosque | Seattle Times Newspaper

Of course America defends fundamental rights and this is important. But, are there not other factors involved here? Does this not question the motives of those who want this built? What about the funding for this mosque?

It's rather puzzling when this Islamic leader is so persistent with this construction when so many American lives, due to Islamic extremists, were killed just two blocks away.

Insulting and insensitive.

Furthermore, did not the Mosque leader state that America was somewhat involved with the attacks on 9/11?

YouTube - Hannity- Newt Gingrich on Ground Zero Mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf LIAR.mp4

The only thing insulting and insensitive here is punishing peaceful American Muslims for the crimes of a radical sect (i.e. turning American Muslims into a scapegoat). That is the only insulting thing going on here.

 

[Voegelin]

Just build a gay bar next to the Mosque and let see who's tolerant?

Germany just said no to a mosque:

BERLIN — The authorities in Hamburg said Monday that they had shut down the mosque where several of the hijackers involved in the Sept. 11 attacks had met, asserting that it remained a source of radicalization nearly a decade later . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/world/europe/10germany-.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=GERMAN MOSQUE&st=cse

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Germany just said no to a mosque:

Yes, because it was associated with the 9/11 hijackers.

If anyone has evidence that the party that wishes to build the NYC mosque is in any way affiliated with terrorism, let him or her present it to a grand jury and let the matter be taken up and investigated.

In the absence of such evidence, I am forced to conclude that the building of the mosque and community center is a peaceful expression of religion and free association, and therefore is protected under the First Amendment.

 

[Faith.Man]

Follow the money. It's nothing but a version of the "shell game".

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/hillary_and_the_ground_zero_mo.htmlhttp://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/07/dutch-government-denies-funding-ground.html

The Iranian connection.

Pajamas Media » (UPDATED) An Iranian Connection to the Cordoba House Ground Zero Mosque?

Is it "racist" to tell the truth about Islam? Free speech under siege.

Chesler Chronicles

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Follow the money. It's nothing but a version of the "shell game".

Gates of Vienna: Dutch Government Denies Funding Ground Zero Mosque

The Iranian connection.

Merely being photographed in the same room as someone does not establish a financial or other connection.

Now if you can provide hard evidence that the Iranian government is providing material support to the mosque builders, that I think is germane and ought to be investigated. But a mere photograph does not establish that causal link.

 

[Faith.Man]

Merely being photographed in the same room as someone does not establish a financial or other connection.

Now if you can provide hard evidence that the Iranian government is providing material support to the mosque builders, that I think is germane and ought to be investigated. But a mere photograph does not establish that causal link.

Good and valid point.

Let me ask you a couple of questions: how much time do you spend investigating every news item seen or read? How many sources are needed to convince you? Do you give more weight to some sources than others, e.g. network news or Internet news; liberal sources versus conservative sources; Fox News, MSNBC or CNN, etc.

 

[Voegelin]

Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid has come out against building a mosque in this place:

A House of Worship or a Symbol of Destruction?

Abdul Rahman Al-Rashed is the general manager of Al -Arabiya television. Mr. Al Rashed is also the former editor-in-chief of Asharq Al- Awsat, and the leading Arabic weekly magazine, Al Majalla. He is also a senior Columnist in the daily newspapers of Al Madina and Al Bilad . . . He is currently based in Dubai.

 

[Ringo84]

Oh...a random Muslim has come out against the Lower Manhattan community center. That must mean that it's a bad idea!

Ringo