Obama Administration to Severely Wounded Vets: Suicide is Painless!

[brinny]

Did you watch Fox News Sunday today? Chris Wallace caught a Veteran's Affairs official in a bald face lie about this subject.

i missed it. What was the lie?

 

[plainswolf]

We actually have the best medical care in the world here in the USA.. People from here don't go to England or France or even to Canada for their health care, but, people from other countries DO come to America for medical treatment.

My biggest beef nationalized health care is the overreaching federal government taking too much power... Power that I'm not sure it has authority under the Constitution to take.. And what authority is not granted to the federal government by the people, according to the 10th Amendment, is reserved for the States and the People.

The Constitution deliberately limits the power of the federal government. It keeps the government small and the citizen big, the government constrained and the people free. Our Constitution does not begin as 'His Majesty the King' or 'The Republic of' or 'The Government(or country) of' or even as 'Union of'. But begins - 'We The People'.

All this recent nationalization of things, from banks to auto corporations and now, perhaps, Health care, reminds me of the Nikita Kruzschev quote, "We cannot expect American Capitalists to become communist overnight, but we can assist their elected leaders at giving them small doses of socialism until one day the awake to find they have communism"..

And at the rate the liberal Obama administration is nationlizing things, we're not far from becoming the USSA.
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[JoabAnias]

We actually have the best medical care in the world here in the USA.. People from here don't go to England or France or even to Canada for their health care, but, people from other countries DO come to America for medical treatment.

My biggest beef nationalized health care is the overreaching federal government taking too much power... Power that I'm not sure it has authority under the Constitution to take.. And what authority is not granted to the federal government by the people, according to the 10th Amendment, is reserved for the States and the People.

The Constitution deliberately limits the power of the federal government. It keeps the government small and the citizen big, the government constrained and the people free. Our Constitution does not begin as 'His Majesty the King' or 'The Republic of' or 'The Government(or country) of' or even as 'Union of'. But begins - 'We The People'.

All this recent nationalization of things, from banks to auto corporations and now, perhaps, Health care, reminds me of the Nikita Kruzschev quote, "We cannot expect American Capitalists to become communist overnight, but we can assist their elected leaders at giving them small doses of socialism until one day the awake to find they have communism"..

And at the rate the liberal Obama administration is nationlizing things, we're not far from becoming the USSA.
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Great post. Reminds me of Thomas Jefferson.

Thats the freedom I was willing to lay down my life for.

Its becoming "all for one" very quickly under the Bathist party though.

 

[plainswolf]

....... Indian care (substandard at best and "don't get sick after June when the funding stops")

That's no joke, I lived on the Pine Ridge Indian reservation for 2 years and it's pretty appalling..




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[benedictaoo]

That's not the only correct answer. My private health care also limits and regulates which medications they will pay for.

Depends on the plan you choose and how much you pay for it. My point is, government run care sucks and pails in comparison to private.

 

[benedictaoo]

Darlin' - you are giving private medicine way too much credit. I was given a sample of a medication, and it worked great, but my PCP would not pay for it, they would pay for something not nearly as effective. Some private doctors listen to patients, but that's based on how they practice medicine, it is not inherent with the pay structure.

I know what it's like to have medical folks treat you like an idiot. They claim they liked well imformed participatory patients, but not too well informed and, male and female, they don't like it coming from women. These are problems with the medical community, public, private or whatever.

I'm sorry you are having a hard time getting the help you need.

PCP and HMO's are not the same and what I mean when I say private. I had those and the PCP did suck. We had to go to a sucky hospital and had a sucky choice of docs to choose from.

when I say private I mean where you pick your plan and you pay through the nose for it, you don't just take what ever your employers sticks you with.

The government health care quality is not so much the issue as what it will cost us to have it-- basically our freedom. I'm not willing to go down a socialist path just to get some sucky health care.

 

[benedictaoo]

Not at all. Here in NZ if you wish to have private insurance you certainly can.

okay, so what was your original point? You said your socialized medicine works out fine... not really becuase we keep reading about the problems with it... so...?

 

[bliz]

The government health care quality is not so much the issue as what it will cost us to have it-- basically our freedom. I'm not willing to go down a socialist path just to get some sucky health care.

Another buggieman - loss of freedom! Most people have little or no choice when it comes to their health insurance. But those who want it, and can afford it, can buy their own plans, but they can only opt into plans that are offered, or pay full fare directly to doctors.

The only plans on the table call for private options through employeers or direct through insurance companies (PPO, HMO, POS plans) and 1 government plan. There's no sociolist path to go down.

 

[CaDan]

We actually have the best medical care in the world here in the USA.. People from here don't go to England or France or even to Canada for their health care, but, people from other countries DO come to America for medical treatment.

I have known some who have.

My biggest beef nationalized health care is the overreaching federal government taking too much power... Power that I'm not sure it has authority under the Constitution to take.. And what authority is not granted to the federal government by the people, according to the 10th Amendment, is reserved for the States and the People.

Commerce Clause and General Welfare Clause and Spending Clause.

 

[CaDan]

Another buggieman - loss of freedom! Most people have little or no choice when it comes to their health insurance. But those who want it, and can afford it, can buy their own plans, but they can only opt into plans that are offered, or pay full fare directly to doctors.

The only plans on the table call for private options through employeers or direct through insurance companies (PPO, HMO, POS plans) and 1 government plan. There's no sociolist path to go down.

Next thing you know, they'll be building government highways and taking away your freedom to drive however you like on them.

Errmmm . . . . .

 

[plainswolf]

Commerce Clause and General Welfare Clause and Spending Clause.

Ya, so I've been told by an attorney friend of mine would be "their argument. They'll interpret the commerce clause in such a broad manner as to weasel their way into justification for just about anything"..

The power to regulate interstate commerce... does that mean 'to keep regular -make sure there is commerce between the states' or does it grant the federal government the power to impose a MONSTROUS social engineering policy thinly disguised as 'legislation' upon the citizens? I HIGHLY doubt the founding fathers wrote the commerce clause as a means for the federal government to impose such social engineering upon the states and the citizens.

Do you really believe that the 'General Welfare' (along with commerce and spending) clause was intended to give the federal government the power to take over health care, banks and auto makers? The very intention of the Constitution was to give certain limited powers to the federal government, not give them license to take over every business under the sun!



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[fragmentsofdreams]

Depends on the plan you choose and how much you pay for it. My point is, government run care sucks and pails in comparison to private.

Categorically comparing public and private health insurance or health care is impossible. There are good and bad examples of each.

 

[katholikos]

Did you watch Fox News Sunday today? Chris Wallace caught a Veteran's Affairs official in a bald face lie about this subject.

i missed it. What was the lie?

It had something to do with an End of Life booklet posted on the Veterans website which had been suspended for review under Bush, and a new directive dated 2009 for Veteran Hospitials to start directing patients to read it. The "offical" claimed there was no such directive, and Chris Wallace pulled out a hard copy of the actual directive document and confronted her with it. She hemmed and hawwed and said she couldn't see the paper he was holding and couldn't comment on it.

 

[Fantine]

One thing the VA does is give priority to those with service-connected disabilities. A 100% disabled veteran has the highest priority. After veterans with service-connected disabilities are considered, they serve those who have financial need.

There are some copays for those who don't have service-connected disabilities.

If someone is using VA healthcare because of a temporary period of unemployment, and (s)he doesn't have a service-connected disabililty, he might have to wait longer for appointments.

The people who use the VA that I know around here seem satisfied. There is a small local clinic and the doctors seem to take good care of their patients. Yes, they primarily use generic drugs.

But it seems as if HMO's resort to many of the same cost-saving practices that the VA does...

 

[JimR-OCDS]

JoabAnias,
well for my father, the VA doc's have actually been better than the others. One doc wanted to do surgery on my dad. When the VA doc heard about it from my mother, he called the doctor immediately to stop the surgery. Because of my father's condition, the operation would've made his condition worse. The surgeon agreed with the VA doc.

As far as your cholesterol, I blew my numbers of the charts, 8 weeks ago. This is the first time for me, but I knew I was way off my diet, eating fried clams and drinking B&B on the rocks. Plus, I took the test right after Father's day.

My doc wanted to put me on meds, but I told him I want to try changing my diet first. He agreed. That was 8 weeks ago. I went on the Atkins diet, and have lost 15 lbs and 2.5 inches off my waist. I'm going for my blood test Friday, I'll let you know how it works out.

FYI, hi-carb, low fat diets, are a disaster, when it comes to treating cholesterol and blood sugar.


Jim

 

[AMDG]

Commerce Clause

Thought about that, but there is a problem with that IMO. No where is that mentioned.

And as far as General Welfare, how can it be General Welfare to increase the deficit (up 2 trillion to 9 trillion) while pressuring vets to "do the right thing" by making room for someone else's medical care as that booklet seems to do. (Can't believe that they are asking vets--even young injured ones returning from Iraq or Afghanistan--to consider if their life is "worth living" if they are in a wheelchair or in a nursing home or are a "financial burden to their families". That surely doesn't seem Catholic--or Christian.)

 

[JimR-OCDS]

plainswolf;

We actually have the best medical care in the world here in the USA.. People from here don't go to England or France or even to Canada for their health care, but, people from other countries DO come to America for medical treatment.

Before the government started paying for prescription drugs for medicare patients, senior citizens were taking group bus trips into Canada, to buy their drugs.

Then the Bush administration passed the prescription drug program, which was written by the three pharmaceutical companies in the USA. It restricts the government from out bidding for the best price on prescription drugs, and all medicare payments are restricted to brand name USA made drugs. Taxpayers got screwed on that one.

As long as the for-profit businesses in the health care industry control the system, it will remain broken.

Our health care is great, for those who have insurance or are on medicare. The rest can just roll over and die, for all the health-care industry cares. In fact, that is what's happening.

Jim

 

[SolomonVII]

Hmm, America sounds worse off than a third world country according to Jim.
People left to die in the streets, one would get the impression.

 

[katholikos]

....Before the government started paying for prescription drugs for medicare patients, senior citizens were taking group bus trips into Canada, to buy their drugs......

Buying drugs is not the same thing as receiving medical care & treatments.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Hmm, America sounds worse off than a third world country according to Jim.
People left to die in the streets, one would get the impression.

People are dying, because of not having the means to pay for health care.

But check out what people showed up at one of the free-healh clinics heald in California, just a couple weeks ago.

People who lost their jobs, and their unemployment benefits ran out, now have no insurance.

Similar Clinics have taken place around the country in the past year. The doctors and nurses work for free.

We are starting to look like a 3rd world country.

Free health clinic at Forum draws crowds - The Daily Breeze

Jim